2013 Retro Uprising Gaming Champ

[Jack Bando]

If we're dropping TMNT, I'd prefer Final Fight due to its clasicness

[Winnebagel]

I still don't get why TMNT should be dropped. Why not add Dungeon Magic as a new category of Action/RPG or something and just keep them both?

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Originally Posted by Jack Bando

If we're dropping TMNT, I'd prefer Final Fight due to its clasicness

I like Final Fight as a game Jack, but I would raise an concern on this one because it is fairly easy to farm. Fun game, but I could see where the top scorer would just be the one who can (legally) farm the most in the timer. That's not a whole lot of fun to me.

[Kong]

Originally Posted by Winnebagel

I like Dungeon Magic, but why not add both? Is the number of games in the contest firmly locked in? Why not add a couple more? There is a whole year for people to play.

Trying to limit it to one game per genre. 1) The goal of the contest is to find who is the best over all gamer, not the best brawler and decent over all player. 2) I think more people will compete if there are fewer games.

More genres can be added but only one game per genre.

[Slime Slayer]

Originally Posted by Kong

I think more people will compete if there are fewer games.

I don't agree, fewer games mean a higher concentration of huge scores, I'm worried this may act as a diturrent. (sp.. seriously someone correct me, dictionary.com is no help) People might only get a tenth of the high-score, and not want to bother investing the time to try and get higher. I think last year was a decent amount of games.

[Winnebagel]

Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

I don't agree, fewer games mean a higher concentration of huge scores, I'm worried this may act as a diturrent. (sp.. seriously someone correct me, dictionary.com is no help) People might only get a tenth of the high-score, and not want to bother investing the time to try and get higher. I think last year was a decent amount of games.

I agree with Essie on this. I think a few more games is better than less. I think less games will make people play less because they might be discouraged and think they have no chance if someone sets very good scores in a few games and thus seemingly sews up the competition. More games mean more people can do well because the scores are spread out between more games.

Originally Posted by Kong

More genres can be added but only one game per genre.

Maybe it's just my own view, but I see a game like Dungeons and Dragon (from the 2012 contest) or Dungeon Magic in a different genre from something like TMNT. They both are side-scrollers, but with the addition of magic and strategy, it creates a different game play experience to me. Maybe I'm off there. To me, it would be like not allowing Donkey Kong because Tron is already in.

[Slime Slayer]

Maybe 2 per genre?

[Winnebagel]

Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

Maybe 2 per genre?

Tnat might be a good idea. That way you could also really diversify within the genre. For example, we could have a bullet hell game, and then another shooter that is different (i.e. like a side scroller or something). That could add variety and encourage more people to play.

[Kong]

This will add several more games without adding too much overlap. And reduce the choices down.

We eliminate 18 red games from the following list and we will have 28 games/genres that are all pretty unique and I think mostly great for competition.

Arcade - Replace Adventures Of Tron » Atari 2600 with Super Bagman - Arcade/Coin-Op

Arcade Shooter - Keep Battlantis » Coin Op

Beat'Em Up - Replace Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Turtles in Time » Coin Op with Alien vs Predator - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Beat'Em Up Adventure - Add Dungeon Magic - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Bullet Hell - Keep DonPachi » Coin Op.

Shooter - Add Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op or Adventures of Dino Riki - Nintendo Entertainment System.

Drop - Keep De-Block » Nintendo.

Dungeon Crawler - Replace Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer » Super Nintendo with Gauntlet 2 - Arcade/Coin-Op or Dragon Crystal - Sega Game Gear.

Street Fighter - Keep Street Fighter 2, Super: Turbo » Coin Op.

Boxing - Add Super Punch Out - Super Nintendo.

Mouse - Leave Lethal Enforcers » Coin Op or replace with Lethal Enforcers 2: Gun Fighters - Sega Genesis or Alien 3: The Gun - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Pinball - Keep Devil's Crush » Turbo Grafx-16.

Puzzle - Replace Lup Lup Puzzle » Coin Op with Flipull An Exciting Cube Game - Nintendo Entertainment System - Score Board or Pipe Dream - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board or Loopz - Nintendo Entertainment System.

Single Screen Racing - Replace Championship Pro Am » Genesis with Ironman Stewart's Super Off Road - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Racing - Add Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op or Lethal Crash Race - Arcade/Coin-Op or Antarctic Adventure - ColecoVision.

Run'N Jump - Leave Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure » Turbo Grafx-16 or replace with Flicky - Sega Genesis or New Zealand Story - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Olympic - Keep American Gladiators » Nintendo.

Sports - Add Capcom Sports Club - Arcade/Coin-Op. Not the best sports game but one of the few that has a decent enough score system.

Strategy - Leave Dune 2: The Building of a Dynasty » Genesis.

Twitch - Leave Chicken Shift » Coin Op or replace with Super Bishi Bashi Championship - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board or Tapper - Arcade/Coin-Op or D Pad Hero 2 - Nintendo Entertainment System.

Maze - Add Binary Land - Nintendo Entertainment System.

Action Puzzle - Add Lode Runner 3: The Golden Labyrinth - Arcade/Coin-Op or Solomon's Key - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board or Magical Crystals - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Rail Shooter - Add Dynamite Duke - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Break Out - Add Thunder & Lightning - Arcade/Coin-Op or Arkanoid Tournament - Arcade/Coin-Op or Flipper Slipper - ColecoVision.

Trivia - Add Quiz & Dragons - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Run'N Gun - Add Rush'n Attack - Arcade/Coin-Op or Trick Trap - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board.

Multi-Directional Shooter - Add Smash TV - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Add Blockbuster Competition 2: NBA Jam And Judge Dredd - Sega Genesis.

[Winnebagel]

I like your idea very much. I'll reply again in a bit in more detail, but I like alot of the ones you added and I think this will encourage more competition.

[Slime Slayer]

Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

I don't agree, fewer games mean a higher concentration of huge scores, I'm worried this may act as a deterrent. (sp.. seriously someone correct me, dictionary.com is no help) People might only get a tenth of the high-score, and not want to bother investing the time to try and get higher. I think last year was a decent amount of games.

Thanks Jojo!

[knt]

... just walking by

looks like you're trying to push camel throuhg the key hole

hope you make final decisions ...

[Slime Slayer]

I think we should try to include lots of lesser known games, we don't want the final results for games essentially written in stone as soon as they are announced. For example, as great a competition game as DK is, if we selected it it's basically free points for Mcmanus. Not to say that we need to only take games that haven't been contested in the past, but we should be conscious of giving people too big of an advantage to start with.

[Jack Bando]

Originally Posted by Kong

Shooter - Add Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op

Dungeon Crawler - Dragon Crystal - Sega Game Gear.

Mouse - Lethal Enforcers 2: Gun Fighters - Sega Genesis

Puzzle - Loopz - Nintendo Entertainment System.*

Single Screen Racing - Replace Championship Pro Am » Genesis**

Racing - Add Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op

Run'N Jump - Leave Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure » Turbo Grafx-16 or New Zealand Story - Arcade/Coin-Op.

Twitch - Chicken Shift » Coin Op or Tapper - Arcade/Coin-Op

Action Puzzle - Add Solomon's Key - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board

Break Out - Add Thunder & Lightning - Arcade/Coin-Op

Run'N Gun - Add Rush'n Attack - Arcade/Coin-Op

*Or Zenji

**Why is Champ Pro Am going?

[RevJ]

Going by elimination, I say we remove Magical Crystals - Arcade/Coin-Op which was in a recent MARP contest (last year?)

[Barra]

How about we have a "Champ's choice" game that gets chosen by last years winner?
All kidding aside, I have to agree with SC in that we should be using lesser known games. I hate when contests have games that have already been beaten to death i.e DK, street fighters etc etc
The less advantage we give before the contest begins, the better the competition.

Is 28 games too many?

[Slime Slayer]

Originally Posted by Barra

Is 28 games too many?

I think that's an acceptable amount, I think we will get more participation this year too.

[Barra]

Ok fair enough. It will force people (me) to play earlier if they wish to have a shot. No way I could learn that many games in a couple of months.

[Kong]

tldr; please comment on the very last red section titled "The Undecideds".

I think about 20 games will be good.

Originally Posted by Jack Bando

Why is Champ Pro Am going?

I thought Ivan's was more distinct from other racing games like Out Run.


Maybes
Point Spread might be too small.
Super Bishi Bashi Championship - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
Blockbuster Competition 2: NBA Jam And Judge Dredd - Sega Genesis

Might be too short.
Lethal Crash Race - Arcade/Coin-Op
Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op several people have beat it but no one here is close to the world record. Not sure if that means this is good or bad for this contest. Someone else more familiar with the score system have an opinion?
Dragon Crystal - Sega Game Gear

Might be too hard.
Gauntlet 2 - Arcade/Coin-Op
Battlantis

I'm not familiar with the game. Can someone else make a call on this one.
Super Punch Out - Super Nintendo

we should be conscious of giving people too big of an advantage to start with.

Sounds like a good idea. That would eliminate
Antarctic Adventure - ColecoVision
Flicky - Sega Genesis - Score Board
Because Seahawk clearly has big head start in those two games.


For sure eliminated.
Too short.
Trick Trap - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
Rush'n Attack - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
Alien vs Predator - Arcade/Coin-Op
Pipe Dream - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
D Pad Hero 2 - Nintendo Entertainment System
Capcom Sports Club - Arcade/Coin-Op

Too easy.
Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure - Turbo Grafx-16

Too hard.
Flipper Slipper - ColecoVision

Blurs the line between leeching and playing smart. Will lead to disagreements in an intense contest.
Tapper - Arcade/Coin-Op


Removed genres.
Dungeon Crawler - not great choices for competition.
Puzzle - already have drop, action puzzle, trivia, strategy, and maze that are all slightly similar to this.

That leaves.
The keepers - still up for debate but no active debate currently going on for these.

1. Arcade - Super Bagman - Arcade/Coin-Op
2. Arcade Shooter - Battlantis » Coin Op
3. Beat'Em Up - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Turtles in Time » Coin Op
4. Beat'Em Up Adventure - Dungeon Magic - Arcade/Coin-Op.
5. Bullet Hell - DonPachi » Coin Op.
6. Drop - De-Block » Nintendo.
7. Street Fighter - Street Fighter 2, Super: Turbo » Coin Op.
8. Mouse - Alien 3: The Gun - Arcade/Coin-Op.
9. Pinball - Devil's Crush » Turbo Grafx-16.
10. Single Screen Racing - Ironman Stewart's Super Off Road - Arcade/Coin-Op.
11. Olympic - American Gladiators » Nintendo.
12. Strategy - Dune 2: The Building of a Dynasty » Genesis.
13. Maze - Binary Land - Nintendo Entertainment System.
14. Action Puzzle - Lode Runner 3: The Golden Labyrinth - Arcade/Coin-Op
15. Trivia - Add Quiz & Dragons - Arcade/Coin-Op or nothing or new suggestion.
16. Rail Shooter - Dynamite Duke - Arcade/Coin-Op.
17. Multi-Directional Shooter - Smash TV - Arcade/Coin-Op.
18. Boxing - Super Punch Out - Super Nintendo or nothing.

The undecideds.
Shooter - Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op or Adventures of Dino Riki - Nintendo Entertainment System. Let's keep this genre for sure.

Run'N Jump - New Zealand Story - Arcade/Coin-Op or a new suggestion. Let's keep this genre for sure.

Break Out - Thunder & Lightning - Arcade/Coin-Op or Arkanoid Tournament - Arcade/Coin-Op

Racing - Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op or Lethal Crash Race - Arcade/Coin-Op or a new suggestion or nothing.

Sports - New suggestion or nothing.

Run'N Gun - nothing or a new suggestion. Something similar to contra.

Twitch - Chicken Shift » Coin Op or Super Bishi Bashi Championship - Arcade/Coin-Op.

[D.B. Cooper]

Regarding Super Punch Out. I'm not familiar with the game at all but MARP is using the coin op version in it's latest tournament with the setting cranked up to hard.

Regarding Racing. Most racing games have an ending. I wouldn't count out Out Run out just because of that. It is super popular so maybe something people have played less. Here are a couple of suggestions. I play a lot of driving games so I can give more if needed.

Enduro Racer - Arcade/Coin-Op
Turbo Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op
Continental Circus - Arcade/Coin-Op
Continental Circus - Arcade/Coin-Op

Sports suggestions. There aren't a ton to chose from and you might not like these because I have the high scores but it's all I can come up with right now.

Alpine Ski - Arcade/Coin-Op
Parallel Turn - Arcade/Coin-Op

I'm not familiar with the other categories except that you know I like Star Force.

[bearhawk72]

Run N' Gun: Wild West COWBoys of Moo Mesa - Arcade/Coin-Op

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"Sport" Heavy Smash: Future Sports - Arcade/Coin-Op

[Winnebagel]

Originally Posted by Kong

I'm not familiar with the game. Can someone else make a call on this one.
Super Punch Out - Super Nintendo

I haven't played this in awhile, but I thought the High Score reset after each circuit?

For sure eliminated.
Too short.
Trick Trap - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
Rush'n Attack - Arcade/Coin-Op - Score Board
Alien vs Predator - Arcade/Coin-Op

Why do you think these are too short? I thought some of these games looped? AVP has many levels. I think it's the average length for a beat-em-up.

Also, I think Trick Trap loops. That would keep the challenge going.

I believe Rush 'n' Attack loops as well. Am I misunderstanding your post?

Originally Posted by Kong

Too easy.
Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure - Turbo Grafx-16

If the score maxes out easily, that could be a good point.

Too hard.
Flipper Slipper - ColecoVision

I'm not familiar with this one, but why would something being hard disqualify it?

Puzzle - already have drop, action puzzle, trivia, strategy, and maze that are all slightly similar to this.

Personally, I think Puzzle games are such a hiue genre, it wouldn't hurt having a couple that are different from each other.

Originally Posted by Kong

[*]Arcade - Super Bagman - Arcade/Coin-Op

This game is okay, but also can be heavily farmed in certain spots (legally on a timer). This could make the game boring, but I'm not 100% against it.

[Barra]

Out Run - Arcade/Coin-Op several people have beat it but no one here is close to the world record. Not sure if that means this is good or bad for this contest. Someone else more familiar with the score system have an opinion?

To get close to the world record you have to use a glitch which involves going offroad but keeping max speed up. For this reason I dont think it should be in the contest

[Seahawk]

On Outrun you have to abuse a glitch where you go offroad and constantly change shift between high and low gear to keep max speed, it's not a good game to go for the world record.

Edit -- ninja'd

[elrod21]

WB is right about Super Punchout for the SNES, the scores reset after each circuit, It is not a good title for score chasing.

I can also confirm Rush'N Attack does loop after finishing it starting at a harder level each loop. I think it is a good contest game as there is an invisible timer and point pressing can be done but you have to be really careful or you run out of time.

[Winnebagel]

Can anyone confirm if AVP loops? I thought it did, but I might be thinking of ALIENS which definitely does loop.