Rap and hip hop and why it's not good - Page 6

**Dudebro** · 07-29-2009, 03:22 AM

You ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudebro

According to some people ICP is rap, how does that factor into your decision justinm26?

come on dudebro, as intelligent as you are i'm surprised you asked me this. Of course ICP is rap but it isn't gangsta rap. there are lots of varieties. ICP and others on psychopathic records are more typically classified as horror rap. if this was in the arrrr rated section i could probably explain it a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Dudebro

You know wikipedia and google are pretty easy to use right?

sorry dudebro but you probably wouldn't be able to find a good explanation on what a juggalo is on either of those. i have an explanation on my myspace page that i'll try to paraphrase on here at some point.

I'm going to open a new thread on the pirate forum titled what is a juggalo.

**Dudebro** · 07-29-2009, 04:27 AM

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Of course ICP is rap but it isn't gangsta rap. there are lots of varieties. ICP and others on psychopathic records are more typically classified as horror rap.

So what's the difference between one group rapping about busting caps in people and the other talking about cutting people with axes or w/e else makes up horror rap?

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sorry dudebro but you probably wouldn't be able to find a good explanation on what a juggalo is on either of those.

What's so complicated? A juggalo is a hardcore ICP fan who takes part in the juggalo lifestyle.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudebro

So what's the difference between one group rapping about busting caps in people and the other talking about cutting people with axes or w/e else makes up horror rap?

you're on a roll man. i know you don't care enough to listen a little more closely but they're talking about cleansing the earth of different demons. for example Halls of Illusions is a song about abusive parents.
they have pretty deep messages in their music, it's just disguised with all the wickedness.

**Dudebro** · 07-29-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

they have pretty deep messages in their music, it's just disguised with all the wickedness.

I would say the same thing about gansta rap.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 07:10 AM

you would be wrong too

**Smittycal** · 07-29-2009, 09:56 AM

umm wheres that Whats a Juggalo thread at lol. Ive got a few things to say but not on this thread lol

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 10:27 AM

you're not a member of the group the thread is on.

**Smittycal** · 07-29-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

you're not a member of the group the thread is on.

That explains why I cant see it then lol.

I didnt plan to Juggalo bash or anything but I was going to share some personal "experiences" Ive had with juggalos. Ive met some really cool people and some not so cool people over the last few years.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 10:59 AM

well if you seen the definition i have on the thread you would know that some of us are good and some of us are bad. some people just don't get it.

**Timber Wolf** · 07-29-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

all i can say on this topic without getting in trouble is that gangsta rap/ gangsta rap artists belong buried in the "earf", can i say that i hate the way these people pronounce stuff?

"Right Thurr" is a perfect example, that's actually how they spell it in the title, it urks the hell out of me too, so your not alone on that one

**sezthemank** · 07-29-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Smittycal

umm wheres that Whats a Juggalo thread at lol. Ive got a few things to say but not on this thread lol

How old are you Smitty?
PM me.

Reason I ask is because the Pirate forum is ARRR rated.

Also I love Tech n9ne too, he is incredable.
He has worked with some of the best in the inderstry, including Tupac.
Also I would say he is one of the fastest rappers around.

Just for you guys who dont know,
Tech N9ne is a juggalo also.

Even though he isnt with Psyhcopatic records.

Also did I mention that Ice cube is playing at the Gathering of the juggalos this year!

**TrakMastaTom** · 07-29-2009, 12:21 PM

@Justin: You seriously think that ICP is saying anything more worthwhile in their music than N.W.A. or The Geto Boys? You can't actually believe that. At the bottom of it they are all saying "murder murder kill kill" and to claim that your favorite rap group that raps about killing is better than my favorite rap group that raps about killing is ridiculous. Your argument holds no water.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

@Justin: You seriously think that ICP is saying anything more worthwhile in their music than N.W.A. or The Geto Boys? You can't actually believe that. At the bottom of it they are all saying "murder murder kill kill" and to claim that your favorite rap group that raps about killing is better than my favorite rap group that raps about killing is ridiculous. Your argument holds no water.

your comprehension skills are obviously lacking. they hide subliminal messages in all the wicked stuff they rap about. they even have songs that break it down for people like you that don't get it.

for example, listen to The Unveiling off the album The Wraith: Shangra La

**Kugyince** · 07-29-2009, 03:26 PM

I'm not for or against juggalos myself. While I don't like ICP, I really don't care if others do. Let me state that I'm only judging them on their music though. I don't know enough of ICP to judge them on anything else.

I do have a question though. Some one (forgot who) stated that its okay that ICP sings about killing because they sing about killing demons such as abusive parents (I paraphrased). My question is; do you believe its okay to kill abusive parents?

**TrakMastaTom** · 07-29-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

your comprehension skills are obviously lacking... they even have songs that break it down for people like you that don't get it.

Oh my, I apologize for being such a fool. I was blind, but now I can see.

ICP lyrics:
Throw me a mack 10 I'll vow to take more
Fifty lives coming out, eighty
F- this, I'm finna whoop this lady
Tied the b- up to the lightpost
Slapped her in her face cuz I'm psycho
Beat her down and beat her up

Is soooooo deep. There's some real messages in there. Where as the Geto Boys:

I think my mind just goes outta control
And judge your subjects mf-s read about
I touch on the s that they be leavin' out
I seen this mf-s .9 smokin'
I seen the same n with the .9 die with his eyes open

Useless music. It shouldn't even exist.

I forgot that beating women is acceptable, but shooting people, that's just inappropriate!
At no point was I judging you or even your music in this thread. I don't like ICP. In fact they are probably one of my least favorite music groups out there. But I never showed any disrespect.

Sorry I couldn't see how deep the lyrics were. I'll try harder.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

Oh my, I apologize for being such a fool. I was blind, but now I can see.

ICP lyrics:
Throw me a mack 10 I'll vow to take more
Fifty lives coming out, eighty
F- this, I'm finna whoop this lady
Tied the b- up to the lightpost
Slapped her in her face cuz I'm psycho
Beat her down and beat her up

Is soooooo deep. There's some real messages in there. Where as the Geto Boys:

I think my mind just goes outta control
And judge your subjects mf-s read about
I touch on the s that they be leavin' out
I seen this mf-s .9 smokin'
I seen the same n with the .9 die with his eyes open

Useless music. It shouldn't even exist.

I forgot that beating women is acceptable, but shooting people, that's just inappropriate!
At no point was I judging you or even your music in this thread. I don't like ICP. In fact they are probably one of my least favorite music groups out there. But I never showed any disrespect.

Sorry I couldn't see how deep the lyrics were. I'll try harder.

those don't even sound like lyrics ICP would write, it sounds like BS that you made up so until you send me a link to that song that is by ICP as you claim, i think you're full of it. i've heard damn near everything by them and never once heard that song.

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Originally Posted by Tenser

I do have a question though. Some one (forgot who) stated that its okay that ICP sings about killing because they sing about killing demons such as abusive parents (I paraphrased). My question is; do you believe its okay to kill abusive parents?

that was me and actually the song is not about killing them it's about them going to hell for what they've done.

**Dojah** · 07-29-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

those don't even sound like lyrics ICP would write, it sounds like BS that you made up so until you send me a link to that song that is by ICP as you claim, i think you're full of it. i've heard damn near everything by them and never once heard that song.

Icp (insane Clown Posse) - Night Of The Axe Lyrics

It's ICP. He is not making up stuff.

IMO ICP is not a very good group. Playing music backwards is something that has been done over and over and over. I have some friends that get down and paint up when going to concerts and all, but it's something that I would never get into. My friends have made me listen to some of their music, and to me....it's not very good or thought out. To each is own I guess.

**Kugyince** · 07-29-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

that was me and actually the song is not about killing them it's about them going to hell for what they've done.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

@Everyone: I'm not really into the "which artist is better" arguements so I'll go back to lurking. You kids have fun with that.

**zannie** · 07-29-2009, 08:09 PM

Yea i try to tell my girlfriend that to the only thing Rap musics' good for is strip clubs leave it out of my everyday life ya know.. if i'm at work i normally listen to country music i'm not even going to lie about it i like it sometimes even the older rock channels that play a little of everything mostly stuff like Journey, Phil Collins stuff like that ohh & Night Ranger haha (Sister christian)you're moteringg. But if i'm drinking i'll listen to what everrr excepttt jazzz that stuff creeps me out.. you guys ever heard of eddie vedder(old pearl jam singer) his new stuff rocks mostly the new album is the whole soundtrack to the movie Into The Wild. i like that movie as well. but anyways my opinion rap is pretty degrading so leave it in the strip club they really dont have morals in "dem" shizzles ma nizzles bahah..

Tupac was kinda cool though he was the only "real" one i can really think of.
kinda thugish if thats how you like it.

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btw how did you guys get on Insane clown possee from rap music anyways ha i use to listen to them like 10 years ago i didnt know anyone even talked about them anymore lol i always thought the stuff they talked about was like retard but yet funny in a way but i was only 14 years old so what did i know eh. i guess they are what they say and act like though a couple of clowns. the dating game was the best to me(I'd pinch her loopy ass an tell'er get da food ready) good stuff there, bahaa. but i guess you grow out of stuff sooner or later. go go juggalo =] haha

**TrakMastaTom** · 07-29-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by justinm26

those don't even sound like lyrics ICP would write.

They sound exactly like lyrics ICP would write to me.

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At no point did I ever say anything negative about you or people that listen to ICP, except maybe that I don't get it. I don't like them, but I have no problem with people that listen to them. Whatever gets you through your day. But then you go and say gangster rap is garbage (which I don't even listen to much of, but once in a while I enjoy it) when you are listening to something so incredibly similar as far as lyrical content goes.

**justinm26** · 07-29-2009, 10:34 PM

i'm done on this thread. i can't say what i wanna say without getting banned so i'm not even gonna bother. ICP is not gangsta rap, they kinda were when they were Inner City Posse but realized how lame that was and changed their style. So i stick to my OPINION that gangsta rap is garbage. How many of those artists have the longevity ICP has huh? ICP has been at it almost 20 years. So put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

**sezthemank** · 07-29-2009, 10:36 PM

God you guys are really annoying me!

You are pointing out their Carnaval of carnage ERA stuff!
Which is when these guys started off
They have done a hell of of a lot better stuff since then.

Thanks for Googling ICP and finding the first thing to come up idiots !!

When I have time tommorow, I will quote you and tell you why you are being stupid and very very igronant!!!!

Talking crap, saying that ICP is a Cult!
(maybe not on this thread, but on others)

Rastas are in a cult
they listen to rasta music in a reggae form
I dont here you dissing that!
And dont say Im dissin Rastas, because I aint because beleve it or not, I have Rastas in my family!

All Im saying is
DONT TALK ABOUT STUFF YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT!

With Dudebro, he knows what the whole Juggalo/ICP thing is about, so when he gives his opinion I accept it.
But when Igronant pepole start chatting, It really annoys me!!!!!!

**Smittycal** · 07-29-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sezthemank

How old are you Smitty?
PM me.

Reason I ask is because the Pirate forum is ARRR rated.

Also I love Tech n9ne too, he is incredable.
He has worked with some of the best in the inderstry, including Tupac.
Also I would say he is one of the fastest rappers around.

Just for you guys who dont know,
Tech N9ne is a juggalo also.

Even though he isnt with Psyhcopatic records.

Also did I mention that Ice cube is playing at the Gathering of the juggalos this year!

PM sent and Tech isnt a Juggalo per sey but he does have hella clown love! At least thats what he told me when I spoke to him last

**sezthemank** · 07-29-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittycal

PM sent and Tech isnt a Juggalo per sey but he does have hella clown love! At least thats what he told me when I spoke to him last

THIS IS THE TOWN WHERE THE CLOWNS PUT IT DOWN BABY!
(tech n9ne - Imma tell)

Smitty!
He is a Juggalo!

Why do you think he paints his face?
(OK, not as much as ICP but a little)

Anyone with clown love is a Juggalo,
and beleve me when I say that Tech is a Juggalo!
Look on Youtube, he does a interveiw and metions it.