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[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by Raze

yes I believe we should pick and choose based on what is scaring us

Do you realize this means the terrorists win? The whole point of terrorism is to disrupt a society through fear and violence. Closing our borders goes against what the US stands for. It also proves their point that the west hates muslims simply for being muslim.

On top of that it won't really stop any serious threats. If these people want to wreak havoc in the US they'll get here another way. Maybe they'll just stroll across the Canadian border? Canadians and US citizens do it all the time.

So you'd turn back thousands of people just because they could be a national security risk?
Yes.

So what happens if these people have no where else to go, should we just sit back and let them die?

Well what are they supposed to look like exactly? Tattered cloth and rags?

They're only looking at carefully selected photos that seem to show only able bodied males, because that's scarier than all the women, children and old people who are also coming in. It's right wing propaganda.

Originally Posted by steven

Over half US states are refusing to take refugees following the attacks in Paris.

Nothing but pandering to scared people. Legally they cannot refuse them. If they resist then they'll have the army in their state enforcing it. I'm sure some will make a big show of resisting but in the end they'll all cave and deal with it more rationally when people calm down.

[KATZ]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

doesn't this just SCREAM "needy people"

Their clothes are better quality than mine.....

[Kugyince]

Do you realize this means the terrorists win?

2001 propaganda that's so old, and played out its now just a tired meme? Doing drugs helps support terrorism. Kappa kappa kappa.

So what happens if these people have no where else to go, should we just sit back and let them die?

Let them live with you then.

This is the problem with bleeding-heart liberals. They're always the first to spout off saying "we" need to do something. They're never the first to actually do something about the problem. Its easier to sit home, all warm and cozy, and spout off over social media that "we, as a nation" need to change. Need to help. The hypocrisy is deep.

I'll eagerly await picture of the white knight Dudebro, on his noble steed, opening his home to refugees, sharing Dudeson's supper with them. I'm willing to bet you wouldn't even go so far as to open your wallet to them. Prove me wrong. Post a video of you making a monetary donation to the refugees. I'll match.

[Dudebro]

2001 propaganda

No it's the truth. If we let terrorists change our way of life then they win. Simple as that.

Let them live with you then.

They are welcome to live in my neighborhood if they don't break any laws. They'd fit right in with the other "savages" that the right wing locals don't like - Brazilians, Puerto Ricans, Indians and Guatemalans. 50 years ago it was the Portuguese, 100 it was the Italians. Syrians are just the new boogeyman.

This is the problem with bleeding-heart liberals. They're always the first to spout off saying "we" need to do something. They're never the first to actually do something about the problem. Its easier to sit home, all warm and cozy, and spout off over social media that "we, as a nation" need to change. Need to help. The hypocrisy is deep.

So what am I supposed to do just stay silent while people post ignorant and hateful shit? I can't just pack up and leave my kid behind and I have very little extra money to give away. Countering bullshit posts is my contribution. I'm trying to change minds. Sorry if that's not enough for you.

Post a video of you making a monetary donation to the refugees. I'll match.

I don't have to prove anything to you but if I knew of a trustworthy charity to donate to I would try. Maybe you aren't aware of it but ask around RU and I'm sure people will clue you in to how generous I am. I don't appreciate the implication that I'm not.




I really don't get why you guys(and millions of others apparently) are so hostile to the idea that these refugees are just people that need help. Do you guys sincerely believe that this is all a secret plot to invade the west? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone and I'm the only one not wearing a tin foil hat.

[RU Joe]

DB, you cannot compare this situation to immigration of other groups of people in the past.
Muslims are different, because Islam insists that they are - and through Political Correctness their ideology is being represented as compatible with the 'western' society you mentioned, while the majority of us can see it is not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7KSHy34zyY
^

Muslims ARE engaged in some secret agenda for Islamic global domination.
He implied that this is exactly what is happening.

He says he supports terrorism.
He says he wants Sharia Law to be imposed on the world.

I'm not Ok with this.
Ban me, throw me in jail for hate speech.
Do it, because if that's what will bring about the end of this PC nightmare then so be it.

Getting back to the refugees, how are we to tell the 'good' from the 'bad'?
Especially when this Imam tells us the Muslims will say one thing to our face while secretly thinking another?

[Mareeps]

The cons of letting them in VASTLY outweigh the pros. In fact I can't think of a single good reason they should be let in. There are how many million of them? To hell with them, if they're in so much trouble, they can fight ISIS themselves, they vastly outnumber them anyways.

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by JG

DB, you cannot compare this situation to immigration of other groups of people in the past.

Yes I can because the average Syrian civilian is not a terrorist. They deserve to be treated like anyone else.

He says he wants Sharia Law to be imposed on the world.

So? In the US we have lots of people who advocate for christian laws and policies, even politicians running for president. Why is it bad for one group and not the other?

how are we to tell the 'good' from the 'bad'?

When they do something bad, just like every other human being. Do you seriously believe in guilty until proven innocent, but only in the case of muslims?

Originally Posted by Mareeps

I can't think of a single good reason they should be let in.

Well sure but you've already ruled out stuff like compassion and human decency so you're limiting your options.

they can fight ISIS themselves

It's simply impossible for them to do it. Let's be real though you just want them to try so they can all die and leave you alone, right?

[Mareeps]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Well sure but you've already ruled out stuff like compassion and human decency so you're limiting your options.

That's just appeal to emotion, and nothing more. You can't honestly think they deserve to live in HAWAII of all places, right? Do you have any idea how bad the homeless problem is in places? Why are we housing ANOTHER countries people before OUR OWN? You can't defend this.

[Dudebro]

That's just appeal to emotion, and nothing more.

No it's not. The main reason why we help our fellow humans is compassion. Sorry you can't understand that.

You can't honestly think they deserve to live in HAWAII of all places, right?

Hawaiians are known for being very welcoming and kind so I'm not surprised at all that their governor said they're welcome. Maybe they wouldn't need to end up there if the other governors stopping being so damn paranoid and ignorant.

You can't defend this.

Sure I can. You can't understand my point because you think compassion for fellow humans is just a way to win arguments.

[Mareeps]

You totally sidestepped the homeless problem.

You keep preaching "compassion" and "muh feels" so answer me. Why should economic migrants get priority over housing over US citizens?



Also those governors are ignorant for not wanting this scum in their state? Well if it makes me ignorant and racist for supporting them, then hell, I'm A-OK with being racist if it means supporting the safety of where I live.

[Kugyince]

Compassion isn't an emotion?

[Dudebro]

You totally sidestepped the homeless problem.

I didn't sidestep it I just didn't think it needed to be replied to because it's obvious. Yes I'm very aware of the homeless problem in our country.

economic migrant

What a loaded term. It completely ignores the warzone that is their homeland.

I got a question for you. Do you think the homeless problem would be dealt with if we did close our borders? If so why wait until now to fix it? It seems to me that homelessness has been a problem for a very long time.

Also those governors are ignorant for not wanting this scum in their state?

Yeah the are and so are you. You're referring to innocent people as scum and savages simply for having a religion you're scared of. That's practically the definition of ignorance. It's amazing that you can bring that up and not realize how bad it makes you look. I'm sincerely stunned at how proud you are to be cruel and hateful.

[Kugyince]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

Why should economic migrants get priority over housing over US citizens?

Quoting this since it's a valid question that still hasn't been answered.

[Mareeps]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

I got a question for you. Do you think the homeless problem would be dealt with if we did close our borders? If so why wait until now to fix it? It seems to me that homelessness has been a problem for a very long time.

No, I don't think it would be dealt with, and that's a problem. They ignore their needs, but now that it's a minority, everyone's bending over backwards to help them in a race to be the most progressive.


And they're scum because with all these numbers, surely they could make a stand against ISIS, they outnumber them vastly after all. But nah, they wanna run away to Europe and America for handouts while they watch their homeland burn.

Funfact, 16% of France's population support ISIS, and 42% of France's Muslim population believe suicide bombings are justified. This is not "a tiny percentage"

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

And they're scum because with all these numbers, surely they could make a stand against ISIS, they outnumber them vastly after all. But nah, they wanna run away

The Syrians have been fighting a civil war in the region since 2011, undergoing attacks from the Syrian government as well as other nations using the conflict as a proxy war (Saudi Arabia vs Iran and now USA vs Russia).

Syrian Civil War

To say they're not fighting is a bit much, and civilians are always displaced by conflict.

[CrispyChicken]

Not sure of the validity of this quote but I've seen it in a few places and it's pretty badass.

Originally Posted by Putin

To forgive the terrorists is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me.

Putin going in.

[Mareeps]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

The Syrians have been fighting a civil war in the region since 2011, undergoing attacks from the Syrian government as well as other nations using the conflict as a proxy war (Saudi Arabia vs Iran and now USA vs Russia).

Syrian Civil War

To say they're not fighting is a bit much, and civilians are always displaced by conflict.

Why are the able bodied men fleeing? If my home was being attacked, I wouldn't run away like some coward, I'd fight.

Hell, let their women fight as well, nothing more demoralizing to them than getting killed by a woman, or something like that.



On a darker note, there was another suicide bomber in Paris today, a woman that blew herself up during a raid to find the mastermind behind the attacks a few days ago. Luckily I don't think they managed to kill anyone that wasn't them, but this is getting crazy.

[Kugyince]

On a side note, I love that Shwk seems to be going further and further down the furry hole (intended). Or at least is being more open about it.

[RU Joe]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

Hell, let their women fight as well, nothing more demoralizing to them than getting killed by a woman, or something like that.

Actually, ISIS {which now goes by either the name ISIL, or Daesh} members are told that if they get killed by a woman they will go to hell.
I can only imagine what Islamic hell must be like.

Some women are fighting.
The alternative is being turned into sex slaves, or simply being dragged behind a truck by their hair until dead by ISIS, ISIL, Daesh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EnWzbQ-qok

On a darker note, there was another suicide bomber in Paris today, a woman that blew herself up during a raid to find the mastermind behind the attacks a few days ago. Luckily I don't think they managed to kill anyone that wasn't them, but this is getting crazy.

Sometimes people resort to fighting fire with fire.
This situation was crazy long before the day the first attacks took place; when the people behind the attacks began planning them.

Putin:

To forgive the terrorists is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me.

Has he been watching movies?
Sounds very much like that line: 'We kill 'em all, and let God sort them out.' {I forget which movie that was from}

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

Why are the able bodied men fleeing? If my home was being attacked, I wouldn't run away like some coward, I'd fight.

It's not a simple act of standing and fighting. It takes firm resolve to be willing to kill or die for anything, not everyone is mentally cut out to be a soldier. Putting a gun to someone's head is enough to make 99.9% of people do as they're told, let alone the chemical munitions, aerial bombardments, and other mechanized forces currently deployed in Syria.

People aren't going to stay in an area where it is impossible to live, no matter what. They will always go to where an environment is more favorable.

Originally Posted by Mareeps

Hell, let their women fight as well, nothing more demoralizing to them than getting killed by a woman, or something like that.

I don't think there is a single armed conflict in the history of mankind where women have taken a role in the front lines. Not sure why that would change now. And the women are at risk of being kidnapped, sold as sex slaves, and married to ISIS fighters and forced to bear children.

[Kugyince]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

And the women are at risk of being kidnapped, sold as sex slaves, and married to ISIS fighters and forced to bear children.

Hawtt.

[DrunkN]

Originally Posted by Mareeps

In fact I can't think of a single good reason they should be let in. There are how many million of them?

Average national wages tend to go up when there is an influx of low income migrants. Dunno about the homeless problem, though.

[Mareeps]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I don't think there is a single armed conflict in the history of mankind where women have taken a role in the front lines. Not sure why that would change now. And the women are at risk of being kidnapped, sold as sex slaves, and married to ISIS fighters and forced to bear children.

Wouldn't that just be all the more reason for them to fight?

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by Kugyince

Quoting this since it's a valid question that still hasn't been answered.

I don't see why it's valid. We have programs in place already and these issues are discussed, voted on, ect constantly. The Syrian refugees are a people in crisis, calling them economic migrants is stupid because they're not just shopping around for a better country they're fleeing war and death.

[Kugyince]

In what world is it invalid? We're hardly in a position to start providing food and shelter for economic migrants if we can't even provide those basic needs to ourselves.

We have international programs in place, and these issues are discussed, voted on, etc... constantly.