Console Wars 2013

[Slime Slayer]

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So I figured that a topic was needed, we are in the thick of things now and there really isn't a spot for it that I know of.

Latest I'm hearing is that some people are experiencing major problems with their PS4's. I don't know if this is a rare occurence, and they all happen to be making headlines, or maybe it's happening a lot. I've seen reports maybe 6-8 places around the net.

So yeah, post your opinions of what you want to succeed, predictions, inside information, links to south park ect. ect. and we can use this thread as a home base.

Let the flamewars... er... console wars begin!

[TheChampIsHere]

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I guess we will see soon if any of these consoles have any major issues because the war is never won at the start, but you can lose at the start with a big hardware issue.

[Tails]

Let the flamewars... er... console wars begin!
Just a heads up to everyone about this. We understand you're passionate about one system over the other, but by any means DO NOT turn debate into flaming. You may talk about the Console Wars, but by no means attack users for liking a system.

This is your only warning and will lead to infractions if it gets out've hand, so please talk friendly and be respectful to others. Thank you. :)

[Slime Slayer]

Just a heads up to everyone about this. We understand you're passionate about one system over the other, but by any means DO NOT turn debate into flaming. You may talk about the Console Wars, but by no means attack users for liking a system.

This is your only warning and will lead to infractions if it gets out've hand, so please talk friendly and be respectful to others. Thank you. :)

That being said, I don't want anyone to sugar coat anything, sling as much crap as you want in any of the big 3 directions, it's up to the fanboys not to take any personal offense.

And honestly, at this point this war has become a parody of itself, I think we can all sit back and laugh at the massive amount of failures that have come out of all 3.

[DrunkN]

That being said, I don't want anyone to sugar coat anything, sling as much crap as you want in any of the big 3 directions, it's up to the fanboys not to take any personal offense.

Are we really still calling it the big three? Nintendo is definitely keeping in the game with the handheld advantage, but it seems to me that things are slowly turning over to iOS and Android.

Then again, SteamOS machines are approaching and those will practically be consoles.

Hell, I don't have much confidence in them but at this point I'd even say Ouya is a contender.

Right now I'm going on and off between getting a 3DS, but the games I want for them are so here and there whenever I think about it. I guess I'll stay out of this gen for the most part and focus on playing the ones I missed in the last at a cheap price.

Personal Platforms I'll Stick With This Generation

On the Go: Google Nexus (Android)
Heavy Hardware: Windows 7 (PC) PS3 (Sony)
Group Games: Classic Wii (Nintendo)

[Tails]

On the Go: Nintendo 3DS
Heavy Hardware: Windows 7 (PC)
Group Games: N/A; prefer 1 player

[DrunkN]

Heavy Hardware: Windows 7 (PC)
Group Games: N/A; prefer 1 player

Muh maaaaaaaaan. Sometimes I feel like I gotta have something accessible on hand though, ya' know? After all this time, Wii Sports is still one of the best titles on its platform.

[bearhawk72]

I think it's too early to say if the people having problems are in the minority or majority. The ones with problems will be the vocal ones and people will pick up on those stories quickly.

I'd give it a little while to see if the problems increase or not.

[Dudebro]

I hate to be this negative but I hope MS fails. After the stuff they tried to push on us I think they should just get out of the console business.

[Slime Slayer]

I hate to be this negative but I hope MS fails. After the stuff they tried to push on us I think they should just get out of the console business.

Dudebro... you're alright.

I hope MS fails too, then Activision, then EA, then Ubisoft, then Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward ect... ect..., basically all the cancer. Then from the ashes, a whole new industry arises. And this industry relies on creating unique and fun games to generate revenue.

Lol a man can dream.

[Dudebro]

To be fair I had no issues with MS until the xbone announcement. Then they made an enemy of me with their anti customer, pro advertiser policies.

[Slime Slayer]

To be fair I had no issues with MS until the xbone announcement. Then they made an enemy of me with their anti customer, pro advertiser policies.

I know, that's why I'm pleased.

Here are the reported problems with the PS4, creepy pasta from 4chan:

1. Blue Light

THE MOST COMMON error by far. This appears to be caused by the HDMI handshake not going through to the TV set and thus causing the PS4 to shut itself off. This seems to be happening either out of the box or AFTER the 1.50 update. My theory on this one is that the lion's share of these problems are firmware based - this seems to be confirmed after some users have reported hooking up the unit to another TV and having it work perfectly, so some models work and others don't. I expect this to be addressed in a week or so via a new firmware. (Note, some HDMI jacks are just busted, too, but I think that's the minority of the cases here).

2. Red Light and Three Beeps
Nobody has any idea what's causing this one right now. There are claims that it's heat-related but that doesn't make much sense considering some units will only be on for a couple of minutes and then give this error.

3. Disc Not Reading
Small small number of these. Seems to just be bad lasers, per usual. Always been a problem with Sony consoles.

4. Can't Connect to the Internet
PSN is down, doofus. Wait it out.

[Kugyince]

I hope MS fails too, then Activision, then EA, then Ubisoft, then Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward ect... ect..., basically all the cancer.

I'd like to add most of the figureheads of Nintendo to that list; Iwata, Miyamoto, and Fils-Aime. Nothing but a leech on the industry and a hindrance to creative progress.

ALL HAIL TENTEN!

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[D.B. Cooper]

I just hope that one of the Xbox 1 or PS4 doesn't suck as I'm really looking forward to getting rid of my POS Wii. I'm soooooooo tired of trying to get the damn arrow on the screen to do what I want and I've always hated the nunchuck. Really looking forward to sitting in my recliner chair and playing some games using a "normal" controller. Also looking forward to HD graphics on my HD TV.

[Tails]

Muh maaaaaaaaan. Sometimes I feel like I gotta have something accessible on hand though, ya' know? After all this time, Wii Sports is still one of the best titles on its platform.
I'm not a multiplayer type person really, it goes as far as Mario party and that was just N64.

[Seahawk]

I hope all this console drama blows over somewhat after the PS4 and Xbox One launch. I realize that it always will exist, but game forums across the internet have just been retarded these past few weeks. With all the quibbling about resolutions, pixel numbers, alleged power, texture quality, and more, I really wonder why some people even play games at all.

There's been very little talk about the actual content in the games themselves other than hurr durr graphix power textures are so bad looks like 2001 PS2 game.

[Winnebagel]

I've never held an allegiance to any company, but it will be interesting to see what happens. I'm curious to see how the sales figures start to play out.

[Slime Slayer]

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Seriously though, it will win this gen easy.

[Kugyince]

Its funny that the only way there can be a console war is if they exclude handheld consoles from it. Guess the talking heads have to play with the wording to make it look like anything besides the 3DS has a shot at winning this generation.

Oh wait, the analysts have told us for years that the handheld market was doomed by Android/iOS. ::)

[Dudebro]

@Steven- Free online isn't much to brag about when it's a crappy service. Great first party line up, if you like the same Mario related series from the last 20 years or so. Unique features like what a tablet controller lots of people seem to dislike? Isn't the cost low because they had to reduce it do to low sales?

It will not win this gen easily. If Nintendo keeps on this same track they'll be lucky to be taken seriously outside of handhelds.

[Seahawk]

Seriously though, it will win this gen easy.

Here's leaked NPD numbers for October.

PSV < 30k < Wii < 40k < 50k < Wii U < 60k < 100k < PS3 < 120k

Confirmed numbers
3DS: 452K
Xbox 360: 166K

Good luck to Iwata on his 9 million Wii U goal for end of fiscal year.

[Slime Slayer]

@Steven- Free online isn't much to brag about when it's a crappy service. Great first party line up, if you like the same Mario related series from the last 20 years or so.

It will not win this gen easily. If Nintendo keeps on this same track they'll be lucky to be taken seriously outside of handhelds.

Free online is most definitely something to brag about. I don't see what makes it crappy... you log on... and play online. What's crappy about that?

You are correct about the current first party line up, that however is temporary.

It's gonna pick up a lot of steam after Kart/Smash/3D world/Wii fit U. All these games single handedly capable of moving units.

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Here's leaked NPD numbers for October.

PSV < 30k < Wii < 40k < 50k < Wii U < 60k < 100k < PS3 < 120k

Confirmed numbers
3DS: 452K
Xbox 360: 166K

Good luck to Iwata on his 9 million Wii U goal for end of fiscal year.

They need to move 5 million units this holiday, it can be done, won't be surprised either way. Anyway, the Wii U hasn't hit it's stride yet, I think 2014 will be the year it happens. But yeah, so far it's been abysmal.

[Dudebro]

Just being free isn't something to brag about if the quality isn't great. Maybe it's fine for you but I think most everyone else accepts that Nintendo is dead last in the mulitplayer/online aspect of gaming.

Those games will move units when they come out. After that? It'd be a miracle if WiiU even equals the popularity of xbone or PS4.

[bearhawk72]

Nintendo has a very strong 1st party line up of games, I'll give it that. The problem is that isn't enough to carry a system through it's life and Nintendo has not played well with 3rd party developers in a long time and that is where they really get hurt.

[CrispyChicken]

Official PlayStation 4 Perfect Day Commercial - YouTube

Just wanted to put this here because I really like this commercial. Advertising is important and this is a good one imo for Sony.

[Slime Slayer]

Just being free isn't something to brag about if the quality isn't great. Maybe it's fine for you but I think most everyone else accepts that Nintendo is dead last in the mulitplayer/online aspect of gaming.

Enlighten me, what makes the other 2 online services better? Lobbies and messaging and stuff? If that's the case, then for me, yeah, free without those things is the better option.

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Nintendo has a very strong 1st party line up of games, I'll give it that. The problem is that isn't enough to carry a system through it's life and Nintendo has not played well with 3rd party developers in a long time and that is where they really get hurt.

That's where they get hurt with the dudebros. For me, it's a very rare occurrence where I'm disappointed a game is on Xbox and Playstation, and not on Nintendo.

But yes, they should definitely try to get a few more of the multiplats, not getting a game like GTA 5 for example hurts the library. Its not so bad though, considering they have the best exclusives by a landslide.

EDIT: I guess I just kinda repeated what you said, but in a more convoluted way, sorry lol.

[CatalystiCam]

With an unbiased opinion...

I think Microsoft will be the worst of the 3 in sales, then as for Nintendo & Sony, I think Sony will have a slight edge.

Why? I think people are still into the realistic, realistic, realistic craze, and while some like myself are more into the platformers, and casually fun games that nintendo often offers, there's more people wanting the realistic shooter, or driving simulator, or whatever. For this reason, it'll still likely be (for those people) between the Xbox one, and the ps4, in which I believe the majority will pick the ps4. Why? Ps3 held an edge over the 360 in the end, these ps3 fans will likely move on to ps4, or pc, not the xbox one. Enough dissatisfied with the 360 (such as myself), would opt to move to the ps4 for these types of games.

Then of course, Nintendo offers it's own style of games often, and yes, I acknowledge sony & microsoft both get games of all genres, as well as nintendo does, the simple fact remains that mario sells better than say pac man adventure games, something as an example that the xbox one and ps4 would get, as well as maybe nintendo. The fact also is that CoD (Again as an example) sells better on the Sony/Microsoft consoles.

TL;DR Overall, not much will shift, it'll depend on the gamers, and you have one style of gamer catered to with nintendo, and the other split between the xbox one and the ps4. Out of the two, PS4 will win due to unsatisfied 360 fans, and ps3 fans continuing on their path.

As for me personally, I like all sorts of genre's of games, but I tend to go with what I trust, and what I more often than not enjoy in nintendo games & consoles. Wii U for now, probably a PS4 down the road for the occasional racing sim, RPG, or sport game.

Edit: I didn't take the steambox or any of that into account for now. I kind of see this like another generation 5 beyond the top 3 dogs. These other consoles will likely be the new 3do's, the new jaguars, etc. Maybe not quite that bad though.

[Oldmannes]

Ha, I just got an email that my PS4 will be here on Monday and the very next thing I read was the "Blue light of Death" story on Kotaku.

[DrunkN]

Ha, I just got an email that my PS4 will be here on Monday and the very next thing I read was the "Blue light of Death" story on Kotaku.

No doubt Sony and Xbox will both share their share of "day one patch" blues. Things will be a bumpy road to start out but I'm sure they'll smoothen after.

[TheChampIsHere]

@Cam3ron36 Why is Wii U even in discuss as its a last gen console on par with PS3/360 miles behind the new consoles and does not even have a proper online service.

People like Mario yes but all the top Wii U games are also getting 3DS versions since that platform was also struggling compared to DS so there is no need for a Wii U.

On another note PS4 sold 1 million consoles on day 1 giving it more sales than any other console in a whole month worldwide.... and this is only NA still to launch in Europe.

[Kugyince]

People like Mario yes but all the top Wii U games are also getting 3DS versions since that platform was also struggling compared to DS so there is no need for a Wii U.

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[CrispyChicken]

@Cam3ron36 Why is Wii U even in discuss as its a last gen console on par with PS3/360 miles behind the new consoles and does not even have a proper online service.

People like Mario yes but all the top Wii U games are also getting 3DS versions since that platform was also struggling compared to DS so there is no need for a Wii U.


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Even when the 3DS was doing "bad", it was still doing way better than the Vita. Last year when the ball got rolling, the 3DS has the most units sold out of all the consoles.

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3DS Sales Hit Milestone in the US and Europe - VGChartz (http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251392/3ds-sales-hit-milestone-in-the-us-and-europe/)

I agree with Cam that the WiiU will pick up tremendously soon. Super Mario 3D World, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart will sell a lot of units. I still think PS4 will beat WiiU but Nintendo will be able to make up the difference with the 3DS crushing the Vita. Microsoft is an afterthought imo.

I agree though that the WiiU's online needs work.

On another note PS4 sold 1 million consoles on day 1 giving it more sales than any other console in a whole month worldwide.... and this is only NA still to launch in Europe.

Impressive numbers. Interested to see what the Xbox One number will be. I'm guessing around that number since its most popular in the U.S though I could see it lower.

[TheChampIsHere]

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You could say 3DS sold more here but the chart is a little off PS3/360/Wii are now older consoles are are past gen so will not sell as much at all.

Vita I agree has not done well but Sony have been clever basically re branding it as a PS4 accessory.

With Wii U many stores are already dropping support of the console. In EU last year Nintendo sold -20,000 consoles yup stores could not even sell them :lol:

[Kugyince]

Don't worry, the PS4 only has a 36 million unit gap to catch up to the 3DS.

[TheChampIsHere]

Don't worry, the PS4 only has a 36 million unit gap to catch up to the 3DS.

and Wii U has a 70 million odd gap to catch up with PS3/360

Probably will even be behind PS4/XB1 come end of this month.

[CrispyChicken]

Probably will even be behind PS4/XB1 come end of this month.

By the end of the holiday season, I think the WiiU will be past XBox One and near PS4. WiiU will be cheaper and Super Mario 3D World will be out by then and Mario Kart 8 will be released the first/second quarter of next year.

By the way, today's the 1 year anniversary of the WiiU (was released today in North America last year!)

[TheChampIsHere]

By the end of the holiday season, I think the WiiU will be past XBox One and near PS4. WiiU will be cheaper and Super Mario 3D World will be out by then and Mario Kart 8 will be released the first/second quarter of next year.

By the way, today's the 1 year anniversary of the WiiU (was released today in North America last year!)

I think the mario kart and 3D World are being over estimated its not as if DK, NSMB 2 and Super Luigi U have helped sell the console at all and who would pay $250 for a console with no 3rd party support and gets about 1 new game every 2 months come out?

not to mention the Mario 3D game was originally a 3DS title.

[CrispyChicken]

I think the mario kart and 3D World are being over estimated its not as if DK, NSMB 2 and Super Luigi U have helped sell the console at all and who would pay $250 for a console with no 3rd party support and gets about 1 new game every 2 months come out?

not to mention the Mario 3D game was originally a 3DS title.

They are two different games. Land is single player, World is multiplayer and more relatable to Super Mario Bros 2. If you want to say they are the same, I can go ahead and say CoD, Battlefield, and Killzone are all the same.

NSMB2 was a 3DS title, New Super Mario Bros. U was the one released at launch. That and Pikmin 3 are the only two good games. The 3DS didn't start to boom until NSMB2 and Mario Kart 7 came out so I disagree there. Why would you pay 400 dollars for a console with just as few exclusives when you can buy them for less on Steam? I guess it boils down to opinion and we will just agree to disagree.

For what its worth, I will be buying a PS4 this Christmas.

[Slime Slayer]

Once the hype for the PS4 and Bone die down, and World, Kart, Fit, and Smash are out. I guarantee the Wii U will pull ahead, if it's not winning by the end of 2014 I'll eat my hat.

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@Cam3ron36 Why is Wii U even in discuss as its a last gen console on par with PS3/360 miles behind the new consoles and does not even have a proper online service.


Billy Madison - Insanely Idiotic (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

[Kong]

Hype? Are there any games for the Wii U where that horrible controller is anything more than a gimmick?

[Seahawk]

Once the hype for the PS4 and Bone die down, and World, Kart, Fit, and Smash are out. I guarantee the Wii U will pull ahead, if it's not winning by the end of 2014 I'll eat my hat.

Here's hoping that it's a tasty hat.
Those games will sell to people who have the console already, but won't pull in new system buyers the way Nintendo is hoping.

[Slime Slayer]

Here's hoping that it's a tasty hat.
Those games will sell to people who have the console already, but won't pull in new system buyers the way Nintendo is hoping.

Of course they will. Lack of them is why people are not buying the console.

[DrunkN]

Why would you pay 400 dollars for a console with just as few exclusives when you can buy them for less on Steam? I guess it boils down to opinion and we will just agree to disagree.

Don't count on everyone sharing that view. PC gaming is coming back big but the PS4 and X1 will still pull in big numbers of people simply looking to play multiplatform games on networks like Live and PSN.


Imo the Wii sold because it came packaged with the most casual-friendly, quick to start, and easy to set up multiplier game consoles have ever seen. If you visited someone who owned a Wii, I'd say the odds were good they were prepped for four player gameplay and it would have been easy to give it a go to demo the system for yourself. The thing markets itself via its owners.

I've never quite heard of the Wii U making the same waves or being an easy access party system. While it has potential to grow in sales due to fan-demand first party titles, I very much doubt it will be enough of an edge over Sony or Microsoft. The Kinnect, should X1 actually handle some easy-access games correctly, might have the same effect as the Wii but the price is a probable deterrent.

[DrunkN]

Once the hype for the PS4 and Bone die down, and World, Kart, Fit, and Smash are out. I guarantee the Wii U will pull ahead, if it's not winning by the end of 2014 I'll eat my hat.

OP never delivers.

[CrispyChicken]

Hype? Are there any games for the Wii U where that horrible controller is anything more than a gimmick?

If you have a problem with the WiiU Pad, there's always the WiiU Pro Controller.

Nintendo Wii U Pro Controller - Black (Nintendo ... : Target (http://www.target.com/p/nintendo-wii-u-pro-controller-black-nintendo-wii-u/-/A-14297427?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=|14297427&CPNG=Video+Games&kpid=14297427&LID=PA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=14297427&gclid=CJvyiOO777oCFW3NOgodxVsAKQ)

[Slime Slayer]

Hype? Are there any games for the Wii U where that horrible controller is anything more than a gimmick?

You can play the games on it. If daddy want's to watch football, little Jimmy can still play his games on the controller.

[Kong]

If you have a problem with the WiiU Pad, there's always the WiiU Pro Controller.
That wasn't the point of my question.

That huge tablet controller is the main selling point. What can it do that is actually useful?

Being able to use it as a gameboy is cool but it seems like anyone that really wants portable gaming should go with a 3DS and have a regular controller for their console. Combining the 2 without any other useful reason is stupid.

This is a serious question. Are there any games that do a great job of utilizing the controller? Is there any game where you are glad you have that beast in your hands instead of the Wii U Pro Controller?

If yes, can you post game play vids.

[CrispyChicken]

That wasn't the point of my question.

That huge tablet controller is the main selling point. What can it do that is actually useful?

Being able to use it as a gameboy is cool but it seems like anyone that really wants portable gaming should go with a 3DS and have a regular controller for their console. Combining the 2 without any other useful reason is stupid.

This is a serious question. Are there any games that do a great job of utilizing the controller? Is there any game where you are glad you have that beast in your hands instead of the Wii U Pro Controller?

If yes, can you post game play vids.

-Pikmin 3 (The pad was the map but you could create routes by clicking a point on the pad, had several menus to look up information. I thought the controls were weird but I found out its the same for the Pro controller and it must've just been bad control design overall. The actual pad itself though was legitimately fun to use for this game.

-Nintendo Land (Best example of the WiiU pad's potential. Basically one game of several minigames. Very fun using the pad. 3 or more players use the Wii controllers and one uses the pad. Being the pad was really fun in certain minigames)

-ZombiU (Although I didn't like the game in general, the use of the WiiU game pad was very good imo)

-Scribblenauts Unlimited (I believe it is required of the game)
-New Super Mario Bros. U (Wouldn't mind either way)

If they ever made a Zelda game for the WiiU, I think it would be useful. Can't say anything about that right now though, obviously.

So overall I don't hate the WiiU Pad. It has been pretty useful for the games I have. Honestly don't know why so many people have such a big deal with it. My only problem with it is that its too big.

[bearhawk72]

That wasn't the point of my question.

That huge tablet controller is the main selling point. What can it do that is actually useful?

Being able to use it as a gameboy is cool but it seems like anyone that really wants portable gaming should go with a 3DS and have a regular controller for their console. Combining the 2 without any other useful reason is stupid.

This is a serious question. Are there any games that do a great job of utilizing the controller? Is there any game where you are glad you have that beast in your hands instead of the Wii U Pro Controller?

If yes, can you post game play vids.
It is supposed to contain things like maps and equip screens for games like Zelda, at least that is what they showed when it was first launching. I have no clue if any games actually use it that way yet.

[Slime Slayer]

That wasn't the point of my question.

That huge tablet controller is the main selling point. What can it do that is actually useful?

Being able to use it as a gameboy is cool but it seems like anyone that really wants portable gaming should go with a 3DS and have a regular controller for their console. Combining the 2 without any other useful reason is stupid.

This is a serious question. Are there any games that do a great job of utilizing the controller? Is there any game where you are glad you have that beast in your hands instead of the Wii U Pro Controller?

If yes, can you post game play vids.

I don't know of specifics, but I would definitely use it for a map and managing inventory, like a lot of DS games do. As far as using it for in game purposes, I can't see it being anything more than a nuisance for the most part. I do think being able to use it to play games while the TV is occupied, or you feel like laying in bed or whatever, is cool.

[CrispyChicken]

Nintendo Land Wii U - Part 2 - (Co Op) Mario Chase & Luigi's Ghost Mansion - YouTube

In the lower left corner is the game pad player. The main screen is the player with the regular Wii controller.

[DrunkN]

Are there any games that do a great job of utilizing the controller?

If yes, can you post game play vids.

ZombiU Gameplay Trailer - Nintendo E3 2012 Press Conference - YouTube

Supposedly the actual game is horrendous.

[CrispyChicken]

Supposedly the actual game is horrendous.

The game is bad, but I liked using the Wii U Pad in the limited time I played.

[Kugyince]

and Wii U has a 70 million odd gap to catch up with PS3/360

Probably will even be behind PS4/XB1 come end of this month.

That's great, the Wuu sucks. I know, I own a launch unit and have yet to buy a single game for it.

My point remains the same. 3DS is a current gen system and will win this console war. Just as the DS won last generation's console war.

DS - 154 million
Wii - 100 million
PS3 - 80 million
PSP - 80 million
360 - 79 million

I predict this current gen will line up here:
3DS
PS4
One
Wuu
Vita

[Dudebro]

3DS doesn't count it's a handheld. Of course it's doing great in the handheld market since it has no serious competition. It is not competing with the 3 consoles.

[DrunkN]

3DS doesn't count it's a handheld. Of course it's doing great in the handheld market since it has no serious competition. It is not competing with the 3 consoles.

I would think it's competing with mobile operating systems, to some extent. There's also the Vita, but that thing's going to need a serious defibrillator.

[CatalystiCam]

How many people have you met with a Vita? I've met 1... Ever. So, yes, agreed it needs something going for it.

I'm not sure you can really say that handhelds aren't a part of the gaming contest. They're gaming devices, just like the ps4/one/wiiu are.

At most, I'd stretch to say handhelds are a subdivision, of the gaming division.

[Dudebro]

When talking about the console wars it's always the traditional consoles we mention. Seems like the 3DS is being brought up here to make up for how bad Nintendo is doing on the traditional front.

[CrispyChicken]

When talking about the console wars it's always the traditional consoles we mention. Seems like the 3DS is being brought up here to make up for how bad Nintendo is doing on the traditional front.

No. We all know the Wii U is doing terrible right now. Nintendo is doing fine though because the 3DS is blowing its competition out the water and sold the most units out of all the "consoles" (gaming devices, whatever you want to call them) last year. Nintendo has to get an increase in Wii U sales though. Even if the Wii U is last behind Xbox One and PS4, the 3DS will be enough to keep it afloat.

Whether it be Xbox, PS4, PC, Wii U, my favorite "console" right now is the 3DS because its library is the one that interests me the most and this will probably stay the same even after the PS4 and Xbox One are released.

In a "console war" between PS, Xbox, and WiiU, my favorite gaming device is my 3DS. Just putting my 5 cents out there.

[Kong]

I agree with DB.

If you were talking about smart phones you wouldn't bring up sales of Windows to make up for failure of MS phones.

[CatalystiCam]

it's really a matter of perspective. I find that example, wuite a bit different kong. Computers and phones are different beings, at leas the way I see it. while holding similarities, in most cases are different. Where as a 3ds plays video games, a ps4 plays video games, so on and so on. They are dedicated gaming devices, all of them.

Matter of perspective like I said. You could definitely argue that the gap is closing between phones and computers, but I still think it's a much different being altogether. Where as the gap between handheld games and console games is mere tech specifications, and even with that the gap between a 3ds and a ps4 is smaller than the gap between the gameboy and the ps1. I don't even play the gap as a factor in my perspective though. They're gaming devices playing video games, all of them. Nothing to do with the 3ds backing up the wiiu.

The WiiU sales are the WiiU sales, the 3ds sales, are the 3ds sales. Counting all 5 individually here. Hopefully that clears up what I mean.

[CrispyChicken]

I honestly cannot see any gaming correlation between smart phone games (apps) and 3DS/Vita games (actual video games). I've never seen apps as video games, maybe thats me though.

[Tails]

I agree with Tenser and ChrisP. All of the games are systems and based what's on it it still competes with all systems. My favorite system is the 3ds.

Ps I only know 1 person with a vita and that's thechampishere.

[Seahawk]

I honestly cannot see any gaming correlation between smart phone games (apps) and 3DS/Vita games (actual video games).

Why? What makes Temple Runner or Candy Crush different from "actual video games" other than the platform it runs on?

[DrunkN]

I've never seen apps as video games, maybe thats me though.

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3007.jpg

That may change in the years to come. The first official controller attachment and games like Oceanhorn may not really grant a wholesome "united handheld" feel, but I'd say a strong foothold is now in place.

[Kugyince]

The point is, people have to change or reword the "console war" so that it's even close.

The 3DS is a handheld console. The PS4 is a home console. They are both dedicated gaming devices and thus consoles. We are not trying to include the 3DS to somehow bolster the Wuu but are instead saying the 3DS competes directly against the Wuu and other consoles.

@Seahawk: They don't have Etrian Odyssey and as such, they're crap.

[Slime Slayer]

They are games of course, they are casual games, none of them warrant a 50 dollar price tag. So in that sense, it's kinda apples and oranges.

[Dudebro]

the 3DS competes directly against the Wuu and other consoles.

Oh come on. When people are deciding what console to buy they aren't considering the 3DS they're considering the traditional non mobile ones. Handhelds are consoles in their own right but they are not consoles in the war. They are consoles you get alongside consoles that are in this war. To imply otherwise is just silly.

[Kugyince]

Oh come on. When people are deciding what console to buy they aren't considering the 3DS they're considering the traditional non mobile ones. Handhelds are consoles in their own right but they are not consoles in the war. They are consoles you get alongside consoles that are in this war. To imply otherwise is just silly.


Your argument is completely invalid.

1. The only ground you have to stand on that they do not directly compete against one another is that you're labeling them as different gaming devices. Its mere use of wordage and holds no weight other than being subjective and opinionated.

2. I state that handheld consoles do have a place in the console war because they compete against home consoles for a gamer's time and more importantly, a gamer's dollars. This is a fact no matter what prism you look at it through.

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It could also be stated that the 3DS is the most dedicated gaming device on the major market at the current time. Compared to the Wuu, Vita, PS4, and the supposed One's software infrastructure the 3DS is much more focused as a gaming machine than any of its competition.

In fact, one could argue that the PS4/Vita/One are not dedicated gaming devices but instead social media devices that happen to play games and are therefor closer to PCs and smartphones and have no place in the console war any longer.

[Dudebro]

Sure whatever you say Tenser. Suddenly we are counting handhelds in the console wars because you say so even though traditionally they are not. Seems legit.

[bearhawk72]

A game console is defined as: an electronic device for playing video games, usu. requiring connection to a television

Game console | Define Game console at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game+console)

Wikipedia says(yes I know wikipedia is not fact)

A video game console is a device that outputs a video signal to display a video game. The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to use for playing video games on a separate television in contrast to arcade machines, handheld game consoles, or home computers.

So you could argue either way if the 3DS counts.

[Slime Slayer]

They offer different experiences, but are all still gaming devices, and do compete for the same dollars. I think I agree with Ten's points, and they should be included. Phones and PC's are different since their primary use is not gaming. You are not going to compare an Ipod, to stereos that come stock on cars right?

[Dudebro]

When you hear discussions about video game console wars or competition do you hear portables being mentioned in the same breath as the 3 consoles? I know I don't. This really does seem like you guys are trying to move the goal posts to keep Nintendo relevant in the battle.

[Slime Slayer]

When you hear discussions about video game console wars or competition do you hear portables being mentioned in the same breath as the 3 consoles? I know I don't. This really does seem like you guys are trying to move the goal posts to keep Nintendo relevant in the battle.

It's got nothing to do with goal posts, an until today I agreed with you fully. This thread has got me to change my opinion.

Nintendo does not need anybody's help to stay relevant, 3D World is beating all XBone games in preorders:

Amazon.com: Advanced Search: Video Games (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n:468642,p_69:1y-700y&bbn=468642&ie=UTF8&qid=1384752547&tag=viglink129408-20)

It does look freaking amazing, if it's got half the fun of 3D Land it's a must have for me.

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The reviews are amazingly positive:
IGN 9.6
ONM: 9.3
Famitsu: 38/40
Escapist 4/5
Wiitalia.it 10/10
Gamespot 9/10
Destructoid 10/10
Kotaku: Play IT!
Eurogamer 10/10
Joystiq 5/5
Edge 9/10
CVG 10/10
NWR 10/10
GamesBeat 97/100
GamesSided 9/10
EGM 9.5/10
Vandal 9.1/10
Meristation 9.5/10
DSWII 9/10
Gametrailers 9.5/10
Polygon 9/10

[Dudebro]

A Mario game getting great reviews? Someone alert the media! What happens a couple months from now when that hype wears off?

[Slime Slayer]

A Mario game getting great reviews? Someone alert the media! What happens a couple months from now when that hype wears off?

Are you suggesting that it's doesn't deserve those scores? And I don't know if you've been paying attention, but Mario games have the best legs of any series, bar none. It will sell consistently well for years.

[Dudebro]

I'm suggesting it's not a surprise that a major Mario game is being reviewed well. That being said the preorder hype is probably bigger than normal because the WiiU is so disappointing so far. People are hoping a new Mario game will turn things around.

[CatalystiCam]

I'm pretty sure they're willing to give mario games bad ratings if the raters think they deserve it. Remember Sunshine? I remember 7.0's to 8.5's across the board for those. Nothing super low by any means, but they rate as they see fit... most places. Although personally Sunshine is one of my favourite entries. I remember New Super Mario Bros. 2 getting 7.0 ratings as well simply because there "wasn't enough added". Again, personally one of my favourite 2d entries though, not that, that my opinion has much to do with it.

Anyways, Mario games are just generally of high quality.

[CrispyChicken]

A Mario game getting great reviews? Someone alert the media! What happens a couple months from now when that hype wears off?

Mario Kart 8 will come out and then there will be more hype. And then when that dies down, Smash Bros will come out. This is what Nintendo has been doing for years. They produce 3 or 4 really good sequels of games a year and the masses buy them.

For Christmas, I want 1 PS4 game, 1 WiiU game, 2 Steam games, and 3 3DS games. The 3DS is currently the best gaming console available right now in my opinion. I feel it has the best library and is the easiest of the three to use, it being a handheld.

[CatalystiCam]

I've wanted a WiiU for a while. Holding off in favour of the greater need of a new computer. Once that's done, I'll get a wiiU. Many titles appeal to me. Like I said, down the road, probably a Ps4 as well.

[Kugyince]

WiiU allows you to play games on the GamePad.
PS4 allows you to play games on the Vita.
One allows you to play games on any Windows 8 tablet.
Ouya allows Android and Google Play games on the TV.
Steam Box will allow Steam games on the TV.
Most modern TVs and PCs can be easily hooked together.

Gaming Console: An electronic device whose main function in to play video games.

[Mechtech]

I just love the 8 bit nes system it had no one to compete with and everyone had that system. No hate over which system to buy .

[Slime Slayer]

I just love the 8 bit nes system it had no one to compete with and everyone had that system. No hate over which system to buy .

Of course there were, Sega/Nintendo battles were the most pic.

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For Christmas, I want 1 PS4 game, 1 WiiU game, 2 Steam games, and 3 3DS games.

You know Santa does't visit selfish little boys and girls.

[CrispyChicken]

You know Santa does't visit selfish little boys and girls.

Nah me and Santa are tight. Santa gets me everything I want for Christmas but then I can't ask Santa for anything the rest of the year :foot-in-mouth: Everything else comes out of my own pocket!

[Slime Slayer]

Nah me and Santa are tight. Santa gets me everything I want for Christmas but then I can't ask Santa for anything the rest of the year :foot-in-mouth: Everything else comes out of my own pocket!

I hear his work shop has an entire ChrisP division.:snicker:

[CrispyChicken]

I hear his work shop has an entire ChrisP division.:snicker:

Own personal elves and everything.

[D.B. Cooper]

Your argument is completely invalid.

1. The only ground you have to stand on that they do not directly compete against one another is that you're labeling them as different gaming devices. Its mere use of wordage and holds no weight other than being subjective and opinionated.

2. I state that handheld consoles do have a place in the console war because they compete against home consoles for a gamer's time and more importantly, a gamer's dollars. This is a fact no matter what prism you look at it through.

-----------

It could also be stated that the 3DS is the most dedicated gaming device on the major market at the current time. Compared to the Wuu, Vita, PS4, and the supposed One's software infrastructure the 3DS is much more focused as a gaming machine than any of its competition.

In fact, one could argue that the PS4/Vita/One are not dedicated gaming devices but instead social media devices that happen to play games and are therefor closer to PCs and smartphones and have no place in the console war any longer.

I'm not agreeing with this. Maybe it's a matter of perspective and we will always see it different.

1. Um, they are different gaming devices. When I wanted to chose a handheld for my kids to take to school, play in their rooms, take on road trips, etc, was I supposed to consider a 360 or a PS3 when I made this decision? Of course not. They're different products. IMO consoles today are more than just gaming devices and when I make my decision as to which console I want to hook up to my HD TV, I won't be considering a 3DS or any other kind of hand held. They won't do what I want as they are different products.

2. Using this logic, then anything that plays a game should be included. Why just limit it to the 3DS? My son often decides to play his ipod instead of his 3DS or our Wii. Am I ever going to hook up an ipod to my TV? Of course not.

I think the majority of people in the market for a console are like me. We want something to hook up to our TV to be an entertainment device (play Blue Rays, Stream Netflix) and a 3DS is not even a consideration for that function.

[Kugyince]

Um, they are different gaming devices.

Of course they are different gaming devices. The point I was trying to make is that they are both gaming devices. Obviously you agree with me on that point.

and when I make my decision as to which console I want to hook up to my HD TV, I won't be considering a 3DS or any other kind of hand held. They won't do what I want as they are different products.

Are you sure? The Vita will hook up to your TV nicely. So will a tablet device and a laptop, all of which are not only portable but also very heavy media and social networking devices. The 3DS would also so the same except Nintendo is a bunch of cheap jerks who didn't add an audio/video out to their system.

Using this logic, then anything that plays a game should be included. Why just limit it to the 3DS? My son often decides to play his ipod instead of his 3DS or our Wii.

I think we still need to limit the "console war" debate to "dedicated gaming devices". I mean, lets not be absurd and start including a deck of cards into the mix. That's why I stated previously: "Gaming Console: An electronic device whose main function in to play video games."

Am I ever going to hook up an ipod to my TV? Of course not.

Why not? You can and its very simple to do.
How to connect an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch to your TV | How To - CNET (http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20044077-285/how-to-connect-an-iphone-ipad-or-ipod-touch-to-your-tv/)

I think the majority of people in the market for a console are like me. We want something to hook up to our TV to be an entertainment device (play Blue Rays, Stream Netflix) and a 3DS is not even a consideration for that function.

That's great and all but this isn't a discussion over which console streams Netflix the best or which one has a better BluRay player. It's a discussion on which next gen gaming device will outsell the others. While I respect your opinion I don't see anything in your response that states that the 3DS does not deserve to be in such a discussion.

Hope that clarifies my opinion. :)

[DrunkN]

They are games of course, they are casual games, none of them warrant a 50 dollar price tag. So in that sense, it's kinda apples and oranges.


What about titles like Oceanhorn and Final Fantasy Dimensions? Neither are casual games, and while they aren't long enough to warrant $40, to me they are indicative that a market for full fledged games is coming to iOS and Android.

IGN 9.6
ONM: 9.3
Famitsu: 38/40
Escapist 4/5
Wiitalia.it 10/10
Gamespot 9/10
Destructoid 10/10
Kotaku: Play IT!
Eurogamer 10/10
Joystiq 5/5
Edge 9/10
CVG 10/10
NWR 10/10
GamesBeat 97/100
GamesSided 9/10
EGM 9.5/10
Vandal 9.1/10
Meristation 9.5/10
DSWII 9/10
Gametrailers 9.5/10
Polygon 9/10

8.8

[Seahawk]

8.8

If /v/ was a father - YouTube

[CrispyChicken]

If /v/ was a father - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHy_mXbPHN0)

Not sure if NSFW or not lawl.

[D.B. Cooper]

Tenser-Thanks for clarifying. I think we agree on most. But now I'm confused. I thought this thread was about the console war, not the best gaming device war? Sorry for the interruption. Carry on.

[Slime Slayer]

Tenser-Thanks for clarifying. I think we agree on most. But now I'm confused. I thought this thread was about the console war, not the best gaming device war? Sorry for the interruption. Carry on.

It was originally intended for the PS4 ad XBone, and was supposed to focus on that current spotlight, but I am pleased as to what it has evolved into.

[Kugyince]

Tenser-Thanks for clarifying. I think we agree on most. But now I'm confused. I thought this thread was about the console war, not the best gaming device war? Sorry for the interruption. Carry on.

It's not a problem and I can understand your confusion since we're basically discussing wordage and semantics.

"Home console vs handheld console vs gaming console vs dedicated gaming device" is just semantic jargon used by talking heads to spin facts in a way that fits their needs at the time.

Can't we all just call them video game machines? ???

[Dudebro]

Sure if you wanna just talk about video game hardware then we can compare them all at once. If you wanna just call them consoles without the "portable" adjective then no.

[Kong]

I am an old fogie and out of touch since I haven't cared about console wars since the 16-bit wars but the idea of calling a game boy a console makes no sense at all to me.

The only thing more stupid is arguing about it. Just change the topic to 8th gen wars, throw in handhelds, PC, Android, Steam OS, Ouji, OnLive, and every other gaming device released between ~2012 & ~2017 and everyone can be happy.

I personally am rooting for the non-consoles to come out on top and would find this topic more interesting if everything was included. Plus we could move away from the semantics debate. Woot! :victory:

I just love the 8 bit nes system it had no one to compete with and everyone had that system. No hate over which system to buy .
I had an SMS and Genesis. No Nintendo. I loved it.

Of course there were, Sega/Nintendo battles were the most pic.Technically Genesis/SNES was an epic battle. The SMS/NES battle was just sad. Especially for Sega fanboys like myself. SMS fought the good fight but we lost hard.

[Slime Slayer]

The only thing more stupid is arguing about it. Just change the topic to 8th gen wars, throw in handhelds, PC, Android, Steam OS, Ouji, OnLive, and every other gaming device released between ~2012 & ~2017 and everyone can be happy.

Be my guest.

[Kugyince]

Sure if you wanna just talk about video game hardware then we can compare them all at once. If you wanna just call them consoles without the "portable" adjective then no.

Well the thread topic doesn't say Home Console Wars. Though a Vita does plug into the TV so I guess it could be a home console as well...

Anyways, asking who will win the console war if we exclude certain consoles sounds like a pretty stupid topic and would die pretty quickly since no one cares about the 720.

I am an old fogie and out of touch since I haven't cared about console wars since the 16-bit wars but the idea of calling a game boy a console makes no sense at all to me.

For the entire Game Boy line of handheld consoles, see Game Boy line.

The only thing more stupid is arguing about it. Just change the topic to 8th gen wars, throw in handhelds, PC, Android, Steam OS, Ouji, OnLive, and every other gaming device released between ~2012 & ~2017 and everyone can be happy.

Why, so we can kill off one of the three active threads on the forum?

[D.B. Cooper]

Here is a review from Consumer Reports on the Xbox One. Xbox One review: The gaming device that goes far beyond gaming - Yahoo Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/xbox-one-review-gaming-device-050000598.html)

"And if you're the type of person who splits your focus between gaming and sports or keeping up with TV shows, then this is the console you'll want." I realize there are a lot of RUer's who aren't interested in sports and don't have a large family with different TV/Movie watching needs but this is what I'm looking for. I haven't spent the time yet to look for a PS4 review so maybe they have some nice extras as well. The bottom line for me is that if I'm going to spend the money their asking for these new consoles then they damn well better do a lot more than just play games.

[CrispyChicken]

Here is a review from Consumer Reports on the Xbox One. Xbox One review: The gaming device that goes far beyond gaming - Yahoo Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/xbox-one-review-gaming-device-050000598.html)

"And if you're the type of person who splits your focus between gaming and sports or keeping up with TV shows, then this is the console you'll want." I realize there are a lot of RUer's who aren't interested in sports and don't have a large family with different TV/Movie watching needs but this is what I'm looking for. I haven't spent the time yet to look for a PS4 review so maybe they have some nice extras as well. The bottom line for me is that if I'm going to spend the money their asking for these new consoles then they damn well better do a lot more than just play games.

I'm buying a PS4 simply for its exclusives, some other console games in general, and the Blu-Ray (it acts as my DVD player). I really enjoy sports but I have a TV for that in my room or in the basement if I need one.

But I definitely understand it varies from person to person. It's what best suites you after all that matters lol.

[Slime Slayer]

Here is XBone on that retard Jimmy Fallon:
Xbox One Demo - YouTube
It's full of fail.

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Edit: Are there guidelines for how ranking up/down posts should be used? Or is it just a free for all?

[Dudebro]

@DB Cooper- I can see your point but for me the non gaming stuff is a bit redundant. I have PC/high speed internet and an HD premium package for cable. If I wanna watch anything it just makes more sense to use cable or the internet. I'm sure lots of people are in the this same boat. I'm confused why it's so appealing for you.

@steven- That video does seem like a fail compared to the PS4 tech demo he showed previously. It's a shame I was expecting MS to come at bros to change some minds. From what I saw it looks like they're playing a Kinect 360 game.

I agree Fallon is a retard, even though that's not the word I would've picked. You have to remember though that his silliness is part of his act, it's what people like about him.


@About the WiiU- Recently I got into an argument on Xbox.com about which generation it belongs to. Some MS fanboys insisted it's 7th gen because it's underpowered compared to the xbone and ps4. No amount of reasonable discussion or sarcasm could sway them. Any RU people share this irrational belief?

[Kong]

Generation has nothing to do with specs. It is age only. Always has been. Most systems from a generation have similar specs but not always.

Fourth gen included
TG16
Genesis
SNES
Neo Geo
CD-i
Neo Geo CD
Sega 32X
Sega CD
Game Boy
Lynx
Game Gear
Cougar Boy
SuperVision

TG16 and Cougar Boy specs are nothing close to NeoGeo CD but both are 4th gen.

Rest in the comfort that Wikipedia agrees with you.
History of video game consoles (eighth generation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28eight_generation %29)

[Tails]

Using the word retard at all is offensive and it's not a free for all when you legitimately posted something I found offensive. Yes I said Fallon is awesome and I stick by that but using the word retard in that light isn't cool.

Don't want to derail this however.

[Dudebro]

Don't want to derail this however.
Yes, keep this to PMs.


@Kong- I posted wikipedia and other sources but they stay stubborn about it. They claim the generation listing are too arbitrary and it should be about more specific stuff. I tried to give them an analogy but they didn't like it - A kid is the next gen from their parents. It doesn't matter how capable or inept they are.
I thought it was a pretty apt comparison.

[CrispyChicken]

Xbox.com is not the home of the smartest people :p You've had a lot of problems with some of them over there XD

It's definitely 8th gen, there's really not much of a discussion for that one.

[Slime Slayer]

"[Super Mario 3D World] is the most next-gen game that 2013 has yet produced." - EDGE

[Mechtech]

@ Steven Cassidy I don't even know why would a gamer like you say that you want the bigger companies to go bankrupt . So that mean you want indies games to become big while all those others companies that been around for 20 -15 lose their fans and money. Just imagine an indie game being inspired by another ugh.

[CatalystiCam]

Yeah, I've heard tremendous things of Super Mario 3d World. I'll be playing it at a friends house soon. He's buying it on release day now.

[Slime Slayer]

@ Steven Cassidy I don't even know why would a gamer like you say that you want the bigger companies to go bankrupt . So that mean you want indies games to become big while all those others companies that been around for 20 -15 lose their fans and money. Just imagine an indie game being inspired by another ugh.

I don't want anyone to go bankrupt, I want Microsoft to leave the industry. Their methods and practices have been a bane on our favorite hobby, since the day that the XBox was concieved. At this point their damage is irreversible, but perhaps when they finally drop out, the damage may secede.

[DrunkN]

So that mean you want indies games to become big while all those others companies that been around for 20 -15 lose their fans and money.

I probably wouldn't mind that so much. I like indies because they're usually short and cheap.

At this point their damage is irreversible, but perhaps when they finally drop out, the damage may secede.

Is it really their fault that Japanese development studios went to Hell recently?

[TheChampIsHere]

Did Sony Buy Crash Bandicoot From Activision? - IGN (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/did-sony-buy-crash-bandicoot-from-activision) :O

Naughty Dog!!!!!! ...... would be beyond epicness

[Mechtech]

I hated Microsoft Xbox when Halo came around.
Why does certain companies from Japan such as Tecmo,Capcom and others release games on that system when Xbox doesn't sell at all in Japan ? It's stupid seeing Master Chief in a game such as Dead or Alive or Soul Caliber!

[Slime Slayer]

I hated Microsoft Xbox when Halo came around.
Why does certain companies from Japan such as Tecmo,Capcom and others release games on that system when Xbox doesn't sell at all in Japan ? It's stupid seeing Master Chief in a game such as Dead or Alive or Soul Caliber!

It's because NA is such a huge slice of the pie. MS's influence knows no boundaries, they are responsible for ruining of a lot of Japanese games, Resident Evil, Castlevania, Firepro Wrestling... all formerly amazing series.

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Xbox One Launch Livestream with Adam Sessler! Live Gameplay, Store Visits and More - YouTube
Sessler live launch event.

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MS is getting reports of various failures even worse than Sony:
Lo friggin l look at the variety of problems, seems like if it could go wrong, it's gone wrong:
04 - Xbox One Console & Accessories - 04 - Xbox One Console & Accessories - Xbox One Support - Xbox.com Forums - Xbox.com (http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4269.aspx)

[Kong]

I skimmed through video.
They said MS was planning on this being their final console. That all future updates would be through software, Internet and addons.

Seems like the console war breaks down to this
XBone = complete media center replacement.
PS = simply dedicated hardcore gaming.
WiiU = nintendo fanboys.

[Dudebro]

WiiU = nintendo fanboys.
As amusing as this is on it's own I have to add another part "people buying a second console".

[DrunkN]

As amusing as this is on it's own I have to add another part "people buying a second console".

I'd like to pitch in again that the Wii had advantage as a second console due to its easy, accessible multiplayer appeal. I do not believe the same could be said of the Wii U.

[CrispyChicken]

I agree with you Kong, I feel like people are going to buy a PS4 over XBox One, but the people looking to buy a second console will buy the WiiU over the PS4/Xbox.
Basically first choice for average consumer would be PS4 or Xbox One and then if they decide to purchase a second console, I doubt it would be the other one they didn't choose over the WiiU.

[Slime Slayer]

I skimmed through video.
They said MS was planning on this being their final console.

So the idea is that they are going to force people to upgrade their Bones?


Install time of FIFA 14 comparison for XB/PS, very significant difference:
Xbox One versus PS4: Installationszeiten von FIFA 14 im Vergleichsvideo (http://www.pcgames.de/PlayStation-4-Konsolen-220102/Videos/Xbox-One-versus-PS4-Installationszeiten-von-FIFA-14-im-Vergleichsvideo-1098699/)

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Xbox One Consoles Smoking | SpawnFirst (http://www.spawnfirst.com/news/xbox-one-consoles-smoking/)

[DrunkN]

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3035.jpg

[CrispyChicken]

"Because of your past behavior, you can't Xbox Live Gold is required to use Skype for Xbox One."

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3036.jpg

[Slime Slayer]

Sony destroying MS in the war:
'PS4 Winning The War Against Xbox One' - Retailers - NowGamer (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2174398/ps4_winning_the_war_against_xbox_one_retailers.htm l)

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I'm absolutely stunned that there are people who want this thing in their house:
http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3048.jpg

[Seahawk]

The date on that message is before any recent console launch.

[Squall]

that's the in game date. not the console date

[Seahawk]

Oh, its a football club simulator. So that message was generated in game and doesn't have to do with anything real life.

[Slime Slayer]

Oh, its a football club simulator. So that message was generated in game and doesn't have to do with anything real life.

No, it's because Kinect monitored his behaviour. There are also reports of getting fouls in NBA 2K14 from swearing into the mic. As well as random bannings from other applications. People even got banned from swearing during a private skype conversation.

---------- Post added at 10:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:34 PM ----------

Xbox One Upload Studio and Skype users banned for swearing - Hardware - News - HEXUS.net (http://hexus.net/gaming/news/hardware/62909-xbox-one-upload-studio-skype-users-banned-swearing/)

[TheChampIsHere]

As a massive football follower and play the new FIFA games every year really like the addition of that makes it more realistic in a way of you can get a fine in manager mode or get a touchline ban so your assistant has to do all the work (Your locked out for 3 games)

PS4 has the exact same feature via the microphone built into the controller I believe.

[Dudebro]

Sony destroying MS in the war:


One of you should let them know that 3DS is actually winning the war.

[CrispyChicken]

My friend said the PS4 sold out completely. Pretty impressive. They have a big early lead on Microsoft. Shouldn't be hard for them to win against them.

[Slime Slayer]

My friend said the PS4 sold out completely. Pretty impressive. They have a big early lead on Microsoft. Shouldn't be hard for them to win against them.

Also worth noting the fact that the PS4 still hasn't launched world wide. :D

[Seahawk]

Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)
(weekly sales charts for JP)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 3DS # | 84.506 | 70.102 | 162.077 | 4.032.539 | 4.138.328 | 13.812.419 |
| PSV # | 28.912 | 88.522 | 9.712 | 990.894 | 612.530 | 2.121.719 |
| WIU | 21.002 | 15.906 | | 563.669 | | 1.190.956 |
| PS3 | 12.436 | 12.019 | 34.167 | 733.341 | 1.013.072 | 9.593.425 |
| PSP # | 3.546 | 4.353 | 16.903 | 404.060 | 723.274 | 20.033.071 |
| WII | 457 | 518 | 3.590 | 66.104 | 433.215 | 12.704.940 |
| 360 | 342 | 404 | 1.495 | 22.785 | 69.921 | 1.636.619 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| ALL | 151.201 | 191.824 | 229.143 | 6.813.392 | 7.109.731 | 61.093.149 |
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| PSVTV | 7.868 | 42.172 | | 50.040 | | 50.040 |
| PSV | 21.044 | 46.350 | 9.712 | 940.854 | 612.530 | 2.071.679 |
| 3DSLL | 63.709 | 47.852 | 101.667 | 2.726.076 | 1.237.738 | 4.816.447 |
| 3DS | 20.797 | 22.250 | 60.410 | 1.306.463 | 2.900.590 | 8.995.972 |
| PSP | 3.546 | 4.353 | 16.903 | 404.060 | 723.274 | 19.857.084 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------01./00. [PS3] Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.11.21} (¥7.770) - 277.082 / NEW
02./00. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985) - 99.588 / NEW
03./00. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.980) - 83.605 / NEW
04./05. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 72.932 / 3.002.738 (-12%)
05./00. [3DS] Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.480) - 72.087 / NEW
06./01. [PSV] God Eater 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (¥5.980) - 39.052 / 305.378 (-85%)
07./03. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 35.879 / 187.678 (-76%)
08./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 29.252 / 219.883 (-85%)
09./07. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 21.120 / 2.959.789 (-20%)
10./00. [PSP] God Eater 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (¥5.980) - 20.508 / 132.531

[Kong]

Too early to start declaring winners.

If you were to declare a winner in the 16 bit wars this early then TG-16 would have won. In the 8-bit it would have been Sega. Clearly by the end of the generation that had drastically changed.

[Slime Slayer]

Too early to start declaring winners.

If you were to declare a winner in the 16 bit wars this early then TG-16 would have won. In the 8-bit it would have been Sega. Clearly by the end of the generation that had drastically changed.

Right, it's a marathon, not a sprint.

[Tails]

We ALL know Nintendo will win, right? ::)

[TheChampIsHere]

We ALL know Nintendo will win, right? ::)

I agree Nintendo will win handheld but quite a margin.

However the Wii U is dead imo, games or no games it simply can not compete with XB1/PS4 definitely when the PS4 is set to outsell Wii U tonight when it launches in Europe.

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Why is there no post edit feature on here :O

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3066.jpg

[Tails]

@champ the ability is there just disappears after an hour has past. Double posts are merged.

[Kugyince]

In the 8-bit it would have been Sega.

Ummm....no it wouldn't have been. At no time did the SG-1000 Mark III/SMS beat the Famicom/NES in total units sold.

I mean the Mark 3 didn't even come out for a whole two years after the Famicom.

Famicom - 7/15/83
Mark 3 - 10/20/85

Of course, if you're only talking North America only, the NES still has it beat. By the time the the SMS was released in NA the NES had been out for 8 months already and had moved about 600k units. The NES would sell another 500k units that year, 3 million in 1987 and 7 million in 1988.

If you wanted to argue worldwide sales by using Europe and Brazil the SMS wouldn't have even reached those markets yet at this time in the console war. The NES was four years old by the time the SMS hit Europe and six years old by the time the SMS hit Brazil.

Anyways, your point is taken but lets not revise history.

[DrunkN]

We ALL know Nintendo will win, right? ::)

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3067.gif

It does have handheld sales though. I don't think the Vita's going anywhere big, not within the first half of 2014 at least.

[TheChampIsHere]

Got back from midnight release about 2 hours ago almost was nuts, around 200 people in the same store and then a brawl between 30 people over 5 consoles :lol:

Thou the PS4 UI is so quick its unreal store loads in half a second, you can snap in and out of a game instantly and it loads so fast.

[Slime Slayer]

Got back from midnight release about 2 hours ago almost was nuts, around 200 people in the same store and then a brawl between 30 people over 5 consoles :lol:

Thou the PS4 UI is so quick its unreal store loads in half a second, you can snap in and out of a game instantly and it loads so fast.

Apparently installing games is about 10x quicker then the Bone.

[TheChampIsHere]

Apparently installing games is about 10x quicker then the Bone.
I think that is because the PS4 installs games whist you play them, Ghosts took around 30 seconds to be playable after inserting the disc.

[Slime Slayer]

Some good prices for XBones on ebay right now:
http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_11/3068.jpg

[TheChampIsHere]

You realize right thats JUST for the box

[Tails]

He's being sarcastic :p

[TheChampIsHere]

Should of guessed that :lol:

Another cool feature about the PS4 I found out, you can link a phone to the console and can control its UI and switch it on/off via a phone :O

[DrunkN]

I think that is because the PS4 installs games whist you play them, Ghosts took around 30 seconds to be playable after inserting the disc.

I believe the Xbox One does the same.

[CrispyChicken]

I believe the Xbox One does the same.

I think it does, but the XBox One is slower apparently.

[Kugyince]

Black Friday statistics are starting to roll in:

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_12/3071.jpg

---------- Post added at 09:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:54 PM ----------

It should also be noted that the new Mario game, Super Mario 3D World is underselling more than expected.

Japanese numbers are in for launch week: 99,588 units sold. Apparently it barely sold more than 57% of its initial shipment.

[CrispyChicken]

It should also be noted that the new Mario game, Super Mario 3D World is underselling more than expected.

Japanese numbers are in for launch week: 99,588 units sold. Apparently it barely sold more than 57% of its initial shipment.

Personally, I'm waiting until Christmas to get it, I expect that is what a lot of people are doing. My cousins are also doing the same.

[Slime Slayer]

Japanese numbers are in for launch week: 99,588 units sold. Apparently it barely sold more than 57% of its initial shipment.

Keep in mind that there are only about a million Wii U's in Japan right now. The N/A sales will be way better also, regardless of the respective install bases. I'd bet it will be close to the million mark worldwide after the holidays.

[Dudebro]

Xbox 360 beat both playstations?

[Kugyince]

@DB: For total unit sales, not dollars, for WalMart and Target.

[Dudebro]

Isn't that still embarrassing?

[DrunkN]

Isn't that still embarrassing?

For the PS3, yes, but not for the PS4.

[Dudebro]

How is it not for PS4 when it lost to 360 and xbone?

[Slime Slayer]

Actually that chart is pretty much garbage:

"Microsoft's Xbox One may be $100 more expensive than Sony's PlayStation 4 but there is evidence that shoppers on Black Friday 2013 in the U.S. may have preferred Microsoft's newest hardware product more than Sony's. The claim comes from a company called InfoScout, which collects data from shopping receipts that are scanned and sent to the company from consumers via mobile apps.

In this case, InfoScout collected 83,000 receipts from about 3,000 people who went to Walmart and Target stores on Friday. According to their blog, the data collected from those receipts shows that the Xbox One claimed 31 percent of game console sales that day, followed closely by sales of Microsoft's older console, the Xbox 360, with 30 percent. Specific sales numbers were not revealed."

---------- Post added at 03:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55 AM ----------

Source: Early data shows Xbox One leading PS4 in Black Friday U.S. sales - Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/news/early-data-shows-xbox-one-leading-ps4-in-black-friday-us-sales)

[DrunkN]

Availability.

What?

How is it not for PS4 when it lost to 360 and xbone?

It is the defeat of the PS4 when it comes to the xbone, but you specifically said 360.

The PS4 sold half as many units as the 360, but 360 units were at a fourth of the price. The PS3 did not fare as well by comparison.

Both lost to the xbone.

[Slime Slayer]

What?

PS4's were all sold out at a lot of locations by the time black friday rolled around.

[Kong]

InfoScout collected 83,000 receipts from about 3,000 peopleThat's an average of over 27 receipts per person ???

[Slime Slayer]

That's an average of over 27 receipts per person ???

I know, I don't get it either.

[TheChampIsHere]

Of cause PS4 was going to lose Black Friday they have to divert all units to meet massive demand for the EU launch.

In comparison in the UK. PS4 sold 250k (Most sold ever in Week 1 of a launch console), Xbone did 150k in Week 1..

Oh and Knack yes Knack outsold Mario 3D World :lol:

[Kugyince]

]It should also be noted that the new Mario game, Super Mario 3D World is underselling more than expected.

Japanese numbers are in for launch week: 99,588 units sold. Apparently it barely sold more than 57% of its initial shipment.

North American numbers are starting to be released. ~244k units of SM3DW sold on launch week.

[Dudebro]

It seems like the Xbone did better than expectations and ps4 did worse. Strange.

[TheChampIsHere]

It seems like the Xbone did better than expectations and ps4 did worse. Strange.

For the Black Friday?

Xbone had leftover stock that did not sell release week plus you have to remember Sony had the EU launch on Black Friday so all units were focused there. The fact that PS4 in US ALONE outsold Xbone worldwide says a lot.

[Dudebro]

You mean to tell me Sony wasn't prepared for black friday in the US because they were focusing on the EU launch? I don't buy it for a second. Either that's an excuse for poor sales or they're just inept, and I seriously doubt that last part.

[TheChampIsHere]

You mean to tell me Sony wasn't prepared for black friday in the US because they were focusing on the EU launch? I don't buy it for a second. Either that's an excuse for poor sales or they're just inept, and I seriously doubt that last part.

If you want to count a pool of 3,000 people as a overall view ahead of real numbers thats just laughable :lol: just do some research before you post about XB1 and PS4 sales before commenting so you dont look silly ;)

There is a reason people want PS4's but they are impossible to find whilst Xbones just sit on store shelves and no one wants to buy them.

But then again didnt you say Mario 3D World would save Wii U.... :quiet:

[DrunkN]

But then again didnt you say Mario 3D World would save Wii U.... :quiet:

I do believe you're getting people mixed up.

[Slime Slayer]

I don't think anyone said 3D world would save the Wiiu, I came close by suggesting that 3D world, Smash, Fit and Kart would save the Wiiu. The Wii-u is gearing up as we speak, watch these next few months unfold.

And the PS4 is beating the Xbone handily, regardless of what 27 receipts per person, on black friday, where the machines were still full price, at specific target and walmart locations says.

[CrispyChicken]

Super Mario 3D World is doing pretty well in the US so far
Super Mario 3D World Reportedly Sold Over 200K in the US After Two Days on the Market - Nintendo Enthusiast (http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/super-mario-3d-world-apparently-sold-200k-us-two-days-market/)

Coming in at 5th on this weeks US charts is Super Mario 3D World, pulling off an impressive 243,192 in two day total sales. Super Mario 3D World is not quite the winner of the week, however, as it still gets its hindquarters handed to it on a silver platter by Call of Duty: Ghosts (http://www.gamingenthusiast.net/call-of-duty-ghosts-gets-a-live-action-trailer/) for the Xbox One, which takes the lead this week in the US (495,223). Aside from that, Super Mario 3D World finished behind Call of Duty: Ghosts for the Xbox 360 (296K), The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds for the Nintendo 3DS (295K), and Battlefield 4 (http://www.gamingenthusiast.net/console-players-rejoice-battlefield-4-to-feature-64-players-online-finally/) for the Xbox One (253K).Only got beaten by CoD, Battlefield, and Zelda for the week.

So what of the hardware sales? Well, this is Wii U’s highest performing week in the US since the week ending December 19th, when it sold 60k, outputting a modest, 49K (up 61%). To compare, when the Nintendo 3DS received its first major 3D Mario action-adventure game, Super Mario 3D Land, hardware sales went up 20% to 95K. While 3D Land sold more on its debut than did 3D World for the Wii U, Super Mario 3D Mario evidently did much more for Wii U hardware sales than it did for the Nintendo 3DS.
Equally as interesting to note, along with its software PlayStation 4 hardware sales have took quite the dive, 91% on the charts, down 83 and 91 per cent respectively (2.6 to 0.4 million for software and 1.1 to 0.09 million for hardware). While this can be attributed to the system’s lack of availability at the moment, it is worth noting, as Wii U only dropped 28% on its second week to 0.3 million for hardware sales and 54% to 0.6 million for software sales. Perhaps many are jumping the gun on predicting the future based off first week sales, but all will be revealed in time.
With the way Nintendo has been marketing both the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, future encouraging sales numbers for the two platforms in both the hardware and software category may not be very surprising.
Apparently the numbers also do not reflect the amount of games sold via eShop.

I'm still very surprised it did so poorly in Japan though.

[Dudebro]

If you want to count a pool of 3,000 people as a overall view ahead of real numbers thats just laughable :lol: just do some research before you post about XB1 and PS4 sales before commenting so you dont look silly ;)

There is a reason people want PS4's but they are impossible to find whilst Xbones just sit on store shelves and no one wants to buy them.

But then again didnt you say Mario 3D World would save Wii U.... :quiet:
I am asking questions about it and trying to understand what you guys are telling me. I'm not interested enough to research it for myself. From what I'm seeing so far Xbone is doing better.

Sony should've made more consoles if they're not in stock on one of the busiest shopping days in the US. Seems like a fail on their part.

You have no idea what you're talking about if you think I'm saying stuff like that. Maybe you should do your research before you make posts like this.

Ok, can we get back to not being aggressive about games now?

[TheChampIsHere]

Ok, can we get back to not being aggressive about games now?
Sorry for the wording of the comment was not ment to come out that way, and yes definitely seems like a good idea.

PS4 is leading like it should be with its cheaper price and more powerful, whilst XB1 gets its just deserves after its original policies were so anti-consumer and they did not really focus on just gaming (why else would you want a games console)?

And just want to make it pointed not being biased towards Nintendo like everyone else have played their consoles since was younger and was brought up around Mario, Sonic, Crash/Spyro and so on but Wii U just does not have a market well not one big enough to sustain it anyway.

[Kugyince]

At Target, where nearly all doorbusters were available on Thanksgiving Day, "traffic and sales were among the highest Target has seen in a single day," the retailer said in a statement. In the early morning hours, when the doorbusters first became available, Target.com saw two times more orders over last year at that time. The top sellers included: iPad Air, several large screen TVs, Nintendo 3DS XL and Zoomer the Robot Dog, which sold out by mid-morning.

Sauce: http://www.630wpro.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1385994007&article=DE992A4A592211E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2

Expletives:
“Yep. Releasing it the same day as PS4 in UK/EU wasn’t wise. The frustrating thing was this game was probably ready to go in October. I think retail and the market will push Nintendo in a direction whether they like it or not. They MUST be in danger of losing shelf space at this point. Retail will have four major consoles (PS3/4, 360/One) plus 3DS/2DS to push which will all move units, and it looks like Mario can’t help even poor Wii U out. If it goes from shelves, it will be finished. I am still confident in my crazy mind that Wii U will not see another Christmas after this one. But that’s just me. The future games will just get moved/axed.

Releasing Mario on Friday was a really stupid thing to do, it could of come out weeks before that. I wonder if the same gamers who buy Nintendo home systems (150k of them in UK) are the same gamers that buy PS4/Xbox? That might explain lack of sales this week. Otherwise, nobody gives a shit. Also, I haven’t seen a single Mario 3D World advert on UK TV, whereas the other two (PS4 more so, especially last night, holy shit) are on all the time. They have failed to see what the market wants.”

Sauce: Former Sony UK Dev on Knack Outselling Mario: “Releasing It The Same Day As PS4 In UK/EU Wasn’t Wiseâ€. « GamingBolt.com: Video Game News, Reviews, Previews and Blog (http://gamingbolt.com/former-sony-uk-dev-on-knack-outselling-mario-releasing-it-the-same-day-as-ps4-in-ukeu-wasnt-wise)

More bad news for Nintendo in the UK. The PS4's launch managed to sell over 185,000 units, meaning the PS4 bested the Wii U's total life-to-date sales in the UK, which sit somewhere around 150,000. This is part two of the one-two punch in the gut for Nintendo today, thanks to the earlier-reported news that Knack debuted one spot above Super Mario 3D World in the UK charts.

Sauce: PS4 fastest-selling console in UK history &bull; News &bull; PlayStation 4 &bull; Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-12-02-ps4-fastest-selling-console-in-uk-history)

[Slime Slayer]

One thing people need to keep in mind is that Nintendo still has a very Japanese approach to their business practices. The Wii U + 1 game is currently a profit. They are not going to drop out like this Linder character says.

[Kugyince]

I wish they would. They need to just focus on the 3DS.

[Tails]

I wish they would. They need to just focus on the 3DS.

I agree 100%. I haven't liked a console of theirs that's dedicated to home entertainment since snes. Sure they hve few gems in the others but it died pretty much at wii.

[Kong]

The Wii U + 1 game is currently a profit. That is just cost of physical hardware. Doesn't include any design or development cost.

Not sure when they see profit but it most certainly isn't on the very first console+game.

[Seahawk]

I'm still very surprised it did so poorly in Japan though.

Japan is a video game console wasteland. Mobile has consumed all in that region and everything except for the 3DS is pretty much dead. There is a reason both Microsoft and Sony have chosen not to launch their consoles in that territory yet.
That and the Wii U is selling very poorly there, the software even less so.

[Slime Slayer]

Japan is a video game console wasteland. Mobile has consumed all in that region and everything except for the 3DS is pretty much dead. There is a reason both Microsoft and Sony have chosen not to launch their consoles in that territory yet.
That and the Wii U is selling very poorly there, the software even less so.

Actually the Vita has seen a surge, and a lot of good titles coming up, I think excitement for it is rising.

[TheChampIsHere]

In what is shaping up to be a historic year for gamers, I’m delighted to share an important new milestone with you. PS4’s North American debut on November 15th was PlayStation’s largest ever, with more than one million gamers picking up a PS4 in just 24 hours. Now, with PS4’s global launch expanding to a total of 32 countries worldwide, including Europe and Latin America, I’m proud to announce that more than 2.1 million PS4s have been sold.
PS4 Global Sales Update – PlayStation.Blog (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/12/03/ps4-global-sales-update/)

[D.B. Cooper]

I wish they would. They need to just focus on the 3DS.

Agree with this.

Yahoo! (http://games.yahoo.com/news/wii-u-day-reckoning-arrived-170052468.html)

Hmm, not a very descriptive link. The title to the article is "The Wii U’s day of reckoning has arrived".

[Slime Slayer]

PS4 has sold over 2 million units, trouncing XBone at this point:
PS4 Global Sales Update – PlayStation.Blog (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/12/03/ps4-global-sales-update/)

[Seahawk]

Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2013 (Nov 25 - Dec 01)
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
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| 3DS # | 108.373 | 84.506 | 167.408 | 4.140.912 | 4.305.736 | 13.920.792 |
| WIU | 28.518 | 21.002 | | 592.187 | | 1.219.474 |
| PSV # | 25.593 | 28.912 | 11.066 | 1.016.487 | 623.596 | 2.147.312 |
| PS3 | 13.311 | 12.436 | 29.809 | 746.652 | 1.042.881 | 9.606.736 |
| PSP # | 4.232 | 3.546 | 15.941 | 408.292 | 739.215 | 20.037.303 |
| WII | 588 | 457 | 5.550 | 66.692 | 438.765 | 12.705.528 |
| 360 | 309 | 342 | 1.217 | 23.094 | 71.138 | 1.636.928 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| ALL | 180.924 | 151.201 | 232.260 | 6.994.316 | 7.341.991 | 61.274.073 |
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| PSVTV | 5.391 | 7.868 | | 55.431 | | 55.431 |
| PSV | 20.202 | 21.044 | 11.066 | 961.056 | 623.596 | 2.091.881 |
| 3DSLL | 82.409 | 63.709 | 106.757 | 2.808.485 | 1.344.495 | 4.898.856 |
| 3DS | 25.964 | 20.797 | 60.651 | 1.332.427 | 2.961.241 | 9.021.936 |
| PSP | 4.232 | 3.546 | 15.941 | 408.292 | 739.215 | 19.861.316 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Vita TV, we hardly knew ye.

01./00. [3DS] Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai 2 # <ACT> (Sega) {2013.11.28} (¥6.279) - 88.708 / NEW
02./04. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 86.391 / 3.089.129 (+18%)
03./01. [PS3] Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.11.21} (¥7.770) - 60.073 / 337.155 (-78%)
04./02. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985) - 39.812 / 139.400 (-60%)
05./00. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.11.28} (¥5.040) - 35.472 / NEW
06./00. [PS3] Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.11.28} (¥7.770) - 35.348 / NEW
07./07. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 25.166 / 212.844 (-30%)
08./03. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.980) - 24.623 / 108.228 (-71%)
09./00. [PS3] Super Robot Wars OG: Infinite Battle # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.28} (¥7.480) - 22.833 / NEW
10./09. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 21.969 / 2.981.758 (+4%)
11./08. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 21.217 / 241.100 (-27%)
12./06. [PSV] God Eater 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (¥5.980) - 20.556 / 325.933 (-47%)
13./10. [PSP] God Eater 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (¥5.980) - 18.071 / 150.602 (-12%)
14./00. [PSV] Criminal Girls: Invitation <RPG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2013.11.28} (¥6.090) - 16.415 / NEW
15./00. [3DS] Pretty Rhythm Rainbow Live: Kira Kira My Design <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2013.11.28} (¥5.229) - 15.882 / NEW
16./00. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 8 with Xtreme Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.11.28} (¥7.560) - 15.094 / NEW
17./05. [3DS] Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.480) - 14.436 / 86.524 (-80%)
18./00. [3DS] Kamen Rider: Travelers Senki <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.28} (¥5.480) - 12.031 / NEW
19./00. [PSV] Dynasty Warriors 8 with Xtreme Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.11.28} (¥7.140) - 11.870 / NEW
20./15. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2013.10.10} (¥7.770) - 11.676 / 605.046 (-14%)

[TheChampIsHere]

To be fair to Vita TV one of its biggest selling points was the PS4 remote play what is unavailable in Japan currently. See the new Final Fantasy was 3rd.

[Slime Slayer]

In case anyone didn't notice, it's not quite 2 to 1, but it's close. And if the numbers are correct, PS4 has surpassed the WiiU. The Xbone1 however is putting up dismal numbers, if it keeps up at this rate it will never surpass the WiiU let alone the PS4.

[Seahawk]

The Xbone1 however is putting up dismal numbers, if it keeps up at this rate it will never surpass the WiiU let alone the PS4.

I make a one month avatar bet that Xbox One does at least 3x Wii U on USA Feb NPD.

[Slime Slayer]

I make a one month avatar bet that Xbox One does at least 3x Wii U on USA Feb NPD.

Edit: Sorry, misread your bet, no I wont bet that. I will bet that Jan. 1 2015 it still hasn't out sold the WiiU globally.

[Seahawk]

You're on, and I raise the avatar ownership period to 3 months.

[TheChampIsHere]

Edit: Sorry, misread your bet, no I wont bet that. I will bet that Jan. 1 2015 it still hasn't out sold the WiiU globally.
Might as well change that avatar now cause Titanfall

Also as of 2 days ago PS4 passed the 6M sold mark and has passed Wii U total also it is the fastest selling console ever currently with it selling faster than both the Wii and PS2 when they came out
PS4 Hits 6 Million, Ushers in New Era of Social Gameplay – PlayStation.Blog (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/03/03/ps4-hits-6-million-ushers-in-new-era-of-social-gameplay/)

[Slime Slayer]

You're on, and I raise the avatar ownership period to 3 months.

Deal.

[Dudebro]

This seems like a really ill advised bet steven. I have no love for the xbone but it's got the WiiU beat by a mile.

[Slime Slayer]

This seems like a really ill advised bet steven. I have no love for the xbone but it's got the WiiU beat by a mile.

If the current trend continues, it's a safe bet.

Xbone are moving units marginally better than the WiiU at this point. Titanfall will give Xbone a boost, but so will Kart 8 and Smash for the Wiiu.

[CatalystiCam]

yeah, kart & smash are always big names, really big names.

[Seahawk]

I think those two names will carry far less weight than they did on the Wii.
I'm a Nintendo fanboy at heart forever though, so I'd love to be wrong. I just can't see the Wii U being successful after Nintendo's unprecedented failure of execution. It's really amazing how they the thing slide for an entire year.

PS4 is up and away already the decided winner of this gen.
Xbox One will manage a decent second, but nothing like the neck and neck race between PS3 and 360.

Wii U will be a far far away distant third place. Like the Wii before it, it will have a vast array of diverse and wonderful software that goes unappreciated in favor of the HD crapboxes like before. A shame, but Nintendo needs to be more aggressive in lifting the negative image that surrounds them. Iwata seems content to let everyone trample on the company, and his buddies Miyamoto and Takeda seem to enable this in their software and hardware designs respectively, so there is not much anyone can do.

[Slime Slayer]

Xbox One will manage a decent second, but nothing like the neck and neck race between PS3 and 360.


From what I'm seeing, people just don't want it. It's sitting on shelves everywhere, I've heard accounts of retailers actually shipping units back since they were just taking up space.

The PS4 however is still moving units as fast as they can produce them.

I think the story of this gen kinda goes like this: WiiU comes out and nobody is eager to buy it, because the superior XB and PS4 are coming out soon. Now that those systems are out, people are starting to realize that there are no games, and perhaps WiiU would have been a decent choice. With the current trend, I just can't see how the XB over takes the WiiU.

I think a major problem with these next gen consoles are no games. Seems like they are banking on just having 1 or 2 blockbuster AAA title, and expecting people to go bananas.

[D.B. Cooper]

This is the first time I've ever purchased a console when it's first come out and I agree, my biggest complaint is very few games to chose from. Most of the new games are either sports games or M rated. I'd love to buy my kids a new game but there is nothing available right now. Had I been smart enough to know this was going to happen, I would have put off my purchase for a longer time. What I don't understand is they just came out with some new Pac Man game for download but it's only available for the 360 and PS3. WTF? Why would they come out with something new and not make it available for the new consoles?

[Tails]

That's why I wait DB Cooper. If you wait at least a year things will pick up.

[Dudebro]

I think the story of this gen kinda goes like this
So you're saying people will settle for the WiiU? Not exactly a glowing endorsement.

[Slime Slayer]

So you're saying people will settle for the WiiU? Not exactly a glowing endorsement.

I'm in no way endorsing anything.

[CrispyChicken]

As Seahawk said, PS4 has basically won this gen already. Xbone and WiiU will fight for 2nd place. I would prefer my 3DS over all of these systems though. I still do not have a PS4. No way I'm getting it until the price drops. Despite all the crap that the WiiU gets, I actually have a lot of fun with it and use it a lot more than my Xbox 360 and PS3. All three systems have no games. The system with the most/best games this gen has been the 3DS, imo. Of course they've had a 2 year lead by now.

That's something I don't understand as well. Everyone gave the WiiU crap for not having any games, but the Xbone and PS4 have just as little games. You are much better off buying a PC and using Steam :clap:

[Slime Slayer]

That's something I don't understand as well. Everyone gave the WiiU crap for not having any games, but the Xbone and PS4 have just as little games. You are much better off buying a PC and using Steam :clap:

A year head start of course, but the WiiU's library,(still nothing amazing)is way better than the other 2.

[Dudebro]

The system with the most/best games this gen has been the 3DS
If you count PC then PC wins.

[Slime Slayer]

If you count PC then PC wins.

If you count PC, then PC has been winning by a landslide every year since it's invention.

[TheChampIsHere]

As Seahawk said, PS4 has basically won this gen already. Xbone and WiiU will fight for 2nd place. I would prefer my 3DS over all of these systems though. I still do not have a PS4. No way I'm getting it until the price drops. Despite all the crap that the WiiU gets, I actually have a lot of fun with it and use it a lot more than my Xbox 360 and PS3. All three systems have no games. The system with the most/best games this gen has been the 3DS, imo. Of course they've had a 2 year lead by now.

That's something I don't understand as well. Everyone gave the WiiU crap for not having any games, but the Xbone and PS4 have just as little games. You are much better off buying a PC and using Steam :clap:
Your nuts if you think the PS4 will have a price drop, it's already a steal as $350 much cheaper than what you could make a similar powered PC at. Plus 3DS is not a games console so it is irrelevant when talking about games consoles.

[Kugyince]

So the 3DS is a console that 's main function is to play games but is not a games console?

Also, to think the PS4 will never drop in price is absurd. Game consoles always drop in price. It might not be this holiday season or even the next but it certainly will drop in price. By that time there'll be a lot of dirt cheap games in the library.

Anyways, 3DS wins this generation, hands down. Absolutely amazing games just keep pouring onto the handheld. My backlog runs deep.

[Tails]

3DS does win, at least to my personal preference.

[AlexGunslinger]

3DS all the way, amazing collection of games... and there are a lot more to come!

[I am 12 and what is this]

Your nuts if you think the PS4 will have a price drop, it's already a steal as $350 much cheaper than what you could make a similar powered PC at. Plus 3DS is not a games console so it is irrelevant when talking about games consoles.

Given the current competitor pricing and sales, it would make sense that the PS4 price won't drop anytime soon. Prices will probably drop within two years, just like the other systems Sony had.

At $750 you definitely wouldn't need to settle for something on the same level as the PS4.

The 3DS is not a console but it is a legitimate alternative to consoles.

[Seahawk]

The PS4 will not drop price while Sony is successfully selling everyone they make, they're currently in a production shortage.

And even then, the price will still probably not come down.

The 360/PS3 are ancient systems from 2005/6 that are still produced and neither of them are at a budget price outside of super fire sales. Instead of dropping the price MS/Sony just add more things to bundles to keep it at 200$.

[TheChampIsHere]

Why price drop also Wii U is at $200 odd but no one wants them due to serious lack of games and no 3rd party support

Xbone is far behind PS4 much weaker and more expensive even if they did drop its still less powerful

PS4 both being easier to design games for, their gamers first approach, free game ever month on PSN+ whats the point in a price drop when you can not even meet demand currently and it is selling faster than any console ever

[CrispyChicken]

My computer cost about 800 dollars and it a lot stronger than what the new gen offers. Plus, I get my online gaming for free using Steam :)

Your nuts if you think the PS4 will have a price drop, it's already a steal as $350 much cheaper than what you could make a similar powered PC at. Plus 3DS is not a games console so it is irrelevant when talking about games consoles.

It's still 400 dollars here in the States. And with no games that appeal to me coming out anytime soon, I don't see the need to buy it anytime soon. I still use my PS3 quite often and still find it very enjoyable to use.

PS4 both being easier to design games for, their gamers first approach, free game ever month on PSN+ whats the point in a price drop when you can not even meet demand currently and it is selling faster than any console ever


Yes, their gamers are their first approach, that's why it's library is as bad as the Xbone's. All three have terrible libraries. All three companies really don't care for the people buying their product. They just want money :weep:

Watch Dogs finally got a release date though, so that'll boost PS4/Xbone numbers.

[Seahawk]

Plot twist!

PS4 launched in JP 3 weeks ago. 3 weeks later and it is tracking lower than the Wii U with launch dates aligned.

Wii U
Week 1 (12/3/2012): 308,570 - LTD: 308,570
Week 2 (12/10/2012): 130,653 - LTD: 439,223
Week 3 (12/17/2012): 122,356 - LTD: 561,579

PS4
Week 1 (2/17/2014): 322,083 - LTD: 322,083
Week 2 (2/24/2014): 52,697 - LTD: 374,780
Week 3 (3/3/2014): 30,766 - LTD: 405,546

And the gap is growing. For now anyways...

More data, comparison with other systems released in February/March:

PS2 GBA 3DS PS4
630,552 611,504 371,326 322,083
154,245 323,686 206,087 52,697
71,760 197,421 104,412 30,766

856,557 1,132,611 681,825 405,546

[CrispyChicken]

Titanfall came out. It's an Xbone exclusive and it got great reviews and it looks like a good game. Wonder how it's effecting the sales.

[Kugyince]

It shouldn't affect the Japanese sales at all seeing as how the Bone isn't out in Japan anyways.

[CrispyChicken]

Oh I meant just Xbone sales in general.

[Seahawk]

NPD February numbers are coming out. I'll wait a while for most of the info to be given by PR agencies or leaked by leakers before putting it all together.

[Dudebro]

Oh I meant just Xbone sales in general.
It's all I've been hearing about from Xboners so I wouldn't be surprised if it flew off the shelves.

[Seahawk]

Well actually all the data came out pretty straightforward, which is unusual.

February 2014 NPD: PlayStation 4 barely edges out Xbox One in console sales | GamesBeat | Games | by Jeff Grubb (http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/13/february-2014-npd-playstation-4-and-xbox-one-continue-fighting-it-out/)

Software


Call of Duty: Ghosts (Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, PC)
The Lego Movie Videogame (Xbox 360, PS3, 3DS, Wii U, Xbox One, PS4, Vita)
NBA 2K14 (Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, PC)
Thief (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3)
Grand Theft Auto V (Xbox 360, PS3)
Battlefield 4 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Xbox 360)
Minecraft (Xbox 360)
Bravely Default (3DS)

Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze: 130k digital + physical
Bravely Default: 200k digital + physical
Pokemon X/Y: 130k digital + physical, LTD 3.4m
(The above info is sourced from Nintendo PR email)


Hardware:
PlayStation 4: ~286k, 258 / .9, calculated from source (https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/444240487692918784)
Xbox One: 258k source (https://twitter.com/iansherr/status/444241047091412992) + Mircrosoft PR
Xbox 360: 114k source (https://twitter.com/iansherr/status/444241047091412992) + Microsoft PR
Wii U: ~82k Nintendo PR

Total market: ~865k, (258k + 114k) / .43, calculated from Microsoft PR

Donkey Kong Drives Wii U Sales, Bravely Default Outpacing Fire Emblem

Strong new releases helped sales of Wii U software and Nintendo 3DS software in February increase by more than 180 percent and more than 25 percent, respectively, over the same month last year. Wii U software sales were driven by the Feb. 21 launch of Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, which sold more than 130,000 combined physical and digital units in its first eight days on the market. This helped sales of Wii U hardware increase by nearly 25 percent over the same month last year.

In early 2013, Fire Emblem Awakening launched for Nintendo 3DS and became one of the surprise hits of the year. Bravely Default, which launched for Nintendo 3DS on Feb. 7, improved on the launch of Fire Emblem Awakening by more than 10 percent, selling more than 200,000 combined units in just over three weeks.

Other sales milestones achieved by Nintendo in February include:



Bravely Default and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze finished as the No. 2 and No. 4 best-selling software SKUs for the month of February.
Pokémon X and Pokémon Y for the Nintendo 3DS system sold more than 130,000 combined units in their fifth month on the market. This brought the life-to-date total to more than 3.4 million combined units in the United States alone.
Over the next few months, Nintendo will launch a series of games from fan-favorite franchises including Yoshi’s New Island (Nintendo 3DS, March 14), Disney Magical World (Nintendo 3DS, April 11), Mario Golf: World Tour (Nintendo 3DS, May 2), Kirby: Triple Deluxe (Nintendo 3DS, May 2) and Mario Kart 8 (Wii U, May 30).


*Data regarding physical sales of games in February are from the NPD Group. Data regarding digital downloads of games and combined physical/digital life-to-date numbers are from Nintendo’s internal sales figures. All numbers, unless otherwise stated, are specific to the United States only.


The wait is over and “Titanfall” has arrived to broad critical acclaim. Since it launched on Tuesday, the Xbox community has been out in force playing “Titanfall” on Xbox Live. “Titanfall" is landing throughout Europe this week and the Xbox team has been excited to celebrate with thousands of fans at launch events around the world and with hundreds of thousands of fans via the broadcast on Twitch.

February NPD Group figures released today showed that Xbox One continues selling at a record-breaking pace with 258,000 units sold in the U.S. in the month of February, surpassing Xbox 360 sales by over 61 percent at the same point in time.

And, Xbox 360 continues to grow its install base with 114,000 units sold in February in the U.S. in its 100th month on the market in the U.S., more than any other seventh generation console. The growing fan base for Xbox 360 will have their opportunity to play “Titanfall,” when it launches on Xbox 360 on March 25.

With Xbox One and Xbox 360 combined, the Xbox platform sold more hardware than any other home console platform and held 43 percent of the home console market share in the U.S.

Highlights from February 2014 NPD include:

Xbox One continues to see impressive software sales with an average of 2.75 games sold per console.
Xbox One sold 772,000 games in February and Xbox 360 sold 2.46 million, totaling 48 percent of the total software market share (Xbox 360 and Xbox One combined).
During the month of February, Xbox One and Xbox 360 both held five of the top 10 spots on the generation eight and generation seven console game lists in the U.S. respectively:
Xbox One top titles in the generation eight console game title list in the U.S. include: “NBA 2K14,” “Battlefield 4,” and “Thief,” “Call of Duty: Ghosts,” and “Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare.”
Xbox 360 top titles in the generation seven console game title list in the U.S. include: “NBA 2K14,” “Call of Duty: Ghosts,” “Fable Anniversary,” “Grand Theft Auto V,” “Minecraft,” “The LEGO Movie Videogame.”

It’s been a big month for Xbox One, with the launch of a significant system update with improved matchmaking, party chat and friends features that make gaming on Xbox One an experience like no other, and the launch of Twitch and “Titanfall.” Xbox One is available in 13 markets around the world, with many more coming this year.

[Kugyince]

That's awesome news for the Bravely Default team. This means It's pretty much locked that I'll get my grubby hands on Bravely Second! :D

[Seahawk]

Personal notes:
-360/PS3 still sell a ton. If you're a dev/publisher making a console game, and you're not putting on these platforms still, you're dumb.

-Minecraft is still a money printing machine.

-Unexpected victory for Bravely Default, for charting on the overall software list, despite being a 3DS exclusive.
http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2014_03/3428.gif

If anything, this shows how brain dead the managers at Square Enix are. Nintendo had to drag the game licensing and distribution rights out of their grubby hands, and now Nintendo is taking the profits. See, proper marketing of a game can work wonders.
Aside from that, the fact that it almost outsold a mainline Final Fantasy game should be ringing serious alarm bells over there. Lightning Returns, out on two platforms, was almost outsold by a niche game on a platform with a smaller userbase.
Their business model is just completely nonsensical at this point. I hope they look at those numbers and feel bad.

-Good month for Nintendo, they had the #2 and #4 selling software on a single platform (DK and BD). I wonder how they can keep the momentum going with no major software releases for March, but I hope they manage something.

[CrispyChicken]

Yoshi's New Island (3DS) comes out tomorrow. And Pokemon Battle Trozei comes out next week. Other than that, nothing really comes out until beginning of May.

---------- Post added at 07:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 PM ----------

Still need to get Bravely Default :o

[Seahawk]

Oh yeah, and my bet that X1 would do at least 3x Wii U in Feb NPD was right on target. Good dodge steve :P

---------- Post added at 07:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:12 PM ----------

Lightning Returns, out on two platforms, was almost outsold by a niche game on a platform with a smaller userbase.

>almost outsold
>almost

Never mind.

https://twitter.com/ErrenVanDuine/status/444256816642260994

NPD only counts physical retail sales.
Nice one Squeenix!

[CrispyChicken]

It's only been 9 years since Kingdom Hearts 2 came out, why not make it 10+ :waiting:

[Seahawk]

I sure hope you didn't buy a PS3 hoping to play Final Fantasy Vs. XIII on it :).

For those who don't know/remember, Vs. XIII was announced at the PS3 launch, and was reannounced as FF15 last year. That's right, a game delayed across an entire console generation.

[CrispyChicken]

Nah, I never played FF games before last year. And I certainly wouldn't buy a system for the new ones since I've heard they aren't that great.

[Kugyince]

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2014_03/3429.jpg

[Dudebro]

-Minecraft is still a money printing machine.

It's amazing how many xboners are happily gonna buy a second version for the Xbone after all the broken promises of the 360 port.

[Seahawk]

Broken promises? They were probably enjoying their smoother game experience on the 360.

[Dudebro]

They promised to get it caught up to the PC version and expand the map size. Now they're saying they'll do that on the Xbone but they have to rebuy the game and their DLCs. If I bought that version I'd be mad about it, they'll end up paying way more than the PC version and still be behind and limited(less slots/smaller map/DLC skins&texture packs, ect).

[Seahawk]

I'd wager that was just filler talk to calm down the PC Gaming Master Race. Honestly the 360 is just ancient tech at this point (only 512MB RAM! in 2014!), there's not much more to be done under such limitations.

Most of the Minecraft sales on the 360 are probably kids who have no idea what the PC version is like, or that it exists at all. It'll also be better than whatever official/pirated mobile version they may play, and they can also playing with their friends easily.

In fact, whenever the PS4/X1 versions come out, it will probably run better than on most people's PCs.

[Slime Slayer]

Maybe the success of BD, will trickle into the DQ series...

[Seahawk]

Info was leaked as usual.

***THE FOLLOWING ARE LEAKS - NOT OFFICIAL***
DK: TF is the #1 selling new game on a single home console. This means it sold more than each separate platform version of Thief, Lego, and Lightning Returns.

Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2 < 55k = bomb. Mercury Stream is done with this series. No surprise if Konami shuts this franchise down for good. Castlevania am cry.

160K < Bravely Default < FF:LR < 165K
Retail sales only. That means BD had very good digital sales.

175k < 3ds + vita < 180k

Wii U software LTDs
Rayman ~ 99k
Monster Hunter 3U ~ 97k
Sonic: Lost World ~ 94k
The Wonderful 101 ~ 65k :(

Monster Hunter 3DS ~ 240K

PS3 + PS4 = 371K
PS3 February 2013:
263.0K

PS3 February 2014:
-61% YOY

So
PS3 = ~102k?
PS4 = ~268k?

That would make the overall list

PlayStation 4: ~268k?
Xbox One: 258k
Xbox 360: 114k
PS3: ~102k?
Wii U: ~82k

175k < 3DS + Vita < 180k

PS3+PS4 = ~371k
X1+X360 = ~372k

[Kugyince]

Every time I hear anything about Lords of Shadow 2, it's that the combat system is good but everything else is very bad, bordering on the ridiculous.

Bravely Default nets 40k digital sales, all of which are nearly pure profit.

[Dudebro]

I'd wager that was just filler talk to calm down the PC Gaming Master Race. Honestly the 360 is just ancient tech at this point (only 512MB RAM! in 2014!), there's not much more to be done under such limitations.

Most of the Minecraft sales on the 360 are probably kids who have no idea what the PC version is like, or that it exists at all. It'll also be better than whatever official/pirated mobile version they may play, and they can also playing with their friends easily.

In fact, whenever the PS4/X1 versions come out, it will probably run better than on most people's PCs.
I think it was to calm down the informed console peasants who realized they'd be getting a stripped down version. It has some nice improvements though, can't deny that.

If the next gen consoles don't have a way to make a permanent server then it'll still be polishing a turd, at least imo. Waiting for your bro to log on or finish noobtubing in COD when you wanna derp in MC isn't very ideal.

[Seahawk]

Every time I hear anything about Lords of Shadow 2, it's that the combat system is good but everything else is very bad, bordering on the ridiculous.

It apparently went through troubled development.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 dev discusses troubled development, blames director for ‘mediocre’ game | VG247 (http://www.vg247.com/2014/02/28/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-dev-discusses-troubled-development-blames-director-for-mediocre-game/)

I think it was to calm down the informed console peasants who realized they'd be getting a stripped down version.
I'm not sure what they were expecting from a console port of a PC game. Personally I think it was a great conversion, considering what a bloated and underperforming POS the PC version used to be/can be/is.

[Slime Slayer]

I just finished off a giant poutine, now the tears of Mercury Steam, for dessert? Today is a good day.

[TheChampIsHere]

Sony have just revealed PS4 VR - This really is the future of gaming

GDC: Sony Reveals Project Morpheus PlayStation 4 VR Headset - IGN (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/03/19/gdc-sony-reveals-project-morpheus-playstation-4-vr-headset)

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2014_03/3469.jpg

[Kong]

I played a game on all three new systems today. I spent less than a minute total so this is hardly an expert opinion. My review of just the controllers.

Wii U - F
PS4 - C+
XBONE - A+

I didn't test any of the special features like the Wii screen or the PS light sensor thing. Looks like MS was the only ones that just concentrated on making a regular no-gimmick controller that was great for gameplay and they did a perfect job.

[Slime Slayer]

I played a game on all three new systems today. I spent less than a minute total so this is hardly an expert opinion. My review of just the controllers.

Wii U - F
PS4 - C+
XBONE - A+

I didn't test any of the special features like the Wii screen or the PS light sensor thing. Looks like MS was the only ones that just concentrated on making a regular no-gimmick controller that was great for gameplay and they did a perfect job.

Are you at GDC? Or just a coincidence?

[Kong]

At Best Buy.

[Kugyince]

Igarashi wants to work on a Metroid title.

“Whether it’s possible or not comes down to the [intellectual property] holder, which in this case would be Nintendo, and whether they want to work with me, but, if they did want to work with me, I would love the chance of doing that.”

GDC: Former Castlevania Producer Would Love to Work on Metroid - IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/20/former-castlevania-producer-would-love-to-work-on-metroid)

[Slime Slayer]

http://www.retrouprising.com/members/stevencassidy13/albums/stuff/1395349880085/1989.jpg

[DrunkN]

So what console will Iggy be making games for?

[CrispyChicken]

Nintendo I guess.

[Dudebro]

Nintendo I guess.
So he was frustrated that he couldn't make the games he wanted so he's gonna make games for a console no one wants?:smirk:

[CrispyChicken]

If he wants to make Metroid games, he's going to have to...

“Whether it’s possible or not comes down to the [intellectual property] holder, which in this case would be Nintendo, and whether they want to work with me, “ Igarashi told IGN through an interpreter. “But, if they did want to work with me, I would love the chance of doing that.”

[Slime Slayer]

So he was frustrated that he couldn't make the games he wanted so he's gonna make games for a console no one wants?:smirk:

3DS obviously.

[DrunkN]

If he wants to make Metroid games, he going to have to...

I seriously doubt Nintendo wants to fund any more HD games atm, given the long development they've seemed to have had with Kart and Smash.

Then again, if it's just 2D then that's another story. On the third hand, Sakamoto might get feisty with someone else muscling in on his turf. (off of merit that imitated his own work, no less)

[Seahawk]

I don't think Sakamoto will have much to say given that each of the projects in his care (Rhythm Heaven, Wario, Metroid Other M) all failed spectacularly.

[DrunkN]

I don't think Sakamoto will have much to say given that each of the projects in his care (Rhythm Heaven, Wario, Metroid Other M) all failed spectacularly.

It is true.

But u still maek me cri.

[Seahawk]

I wonder if Igarashi could actually come out with a good Metroid game. I'm honestly not sure he could.

His games are pretty simple in comparison. You travel around, get this one power up to simply access a ledge you couldn't reach before or an item to simply open a door that was closed. Major areas are linked directly with doors. Large distances are traversed by teleportation. Areas are usually entirely composed of flat surfaces. Progress is typically clear and linear, go here kill this boss, next area, kill boss.

Metroid is quite more complex. Major regions have one main entrance but beyond that they are linked in secret complex ways. A power up may open an obstacle but usually not in a straightforward manner (i.e. glass tube in Super Metroid), and beyond that clever use can tear the map apart. Progress is pretty open ended, with multiple ways to approach an objective.

It's a big difference.