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Bah, all this "equality" garbage is making me want to gag. Blah, blah blah...perfect world. Yadda yadda yadda...equal for everyone. Yech...
Anyways, capitalism dictates the development budget goes to what helps market a game. If having a gay male lead character caused games to sell more then that's what lead characters would be.
Development is not dictated by the outcries of social inequality. Publishing houses are there to make money, not push social agendas.
>inb4 "but there is a growing market for it"
>because somehow a couple of rubes on a retro gaming forum are more well tapped into financially developing markets than multi-million dollar international marketing studies.
tl;dr Gay men and non-sexualized females will become a thing when consumers actually start paying for games with gay men and non-sexualized females.
But that's what I'm saying, gay characters are starting to sell games, at least indirectly. Being gay is becoming normal and the absence of it is noticeable in games, or it was until recently. I wouldn't say a gay lead is a game seller yet but it's certainly inevitable. I don't see any way to close the flood gates now, the gay is on the way.
But that's what I'm saying, gay characters are starting to sell games, at least indirectly. Being gay is becoming normal and the absence of it is noticeable in games, or it was until recently. I wouldn't say a gay lead is a game seller yet but it's certainly inevitable. I don't see any way to close the flood gates now, the gay is on the way.
You are delusional.
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What SJW stuff specifically are you guys talking about?
Kotaku's own Patricia Hernandez, she's had dozens of similar articles published and young impressionable minds have sadly been influenced, seriously get this shit out of the mainstream:
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But that's what I'm saying, gay characters are starting to sell games, at least indirectly. Being gay is becoming normal and the absence of it is noticeable in games, or it was until recently. I wouldn't say a gay lead is a game seller yet but it's certainly inevitable. I don't see any way to close the flood gates now, the gay is on the way.
You are absolutely delusional. I believe you're just pulling that out of your ass.
Ok sure there's no market for gays in games, sounds legit.
Glad we agree. At least we both understand that the "I'm buying this game solely because there are gay characters" market is just too niche to be profitable. For a minute there I thought you actually believed all the garbage you were spewing. You should have just said you were playing devil's advocate all this time. Silly guy.
I agree with Tenser here. Gay themes will rise only by interest expressed with money and maybe more openly gay developers. I don't think it'll happen soon. If it ever were to happen it would cause a resurgence of people not liking thing.
A small studio could likely keep their doors open if the specialized in SJW themes, and had at least decent production value. However they will never move beyond just keeping their doors open.
So all these gay characters and stories popping up recently are caused by what? A cabal of gay devs pushing unwanted stuff on gamers to further their agenda?
Name a few concrete examples in a large AAA game production rather than a vague "all these gay characters and stories".
Small time Steam Greenlight Early Access Kickstarter games don't count, they will never be popular and they will never swing the mainstream console base.
Name a few concrete examples in a large AAA game production rather than a vague "all these gay characters and stories".
Small time Steam Greenlight Early Access Kickstarter games don't count, they will never be popular and they will never swing the mainstream console base.
I know The Last Of Us made a huge deal over one of the mains being a lesbian in their DLC
You need examples of gay characters and stories in recent games? I'm not talking about them being leads and selling games, like I already said.
How about Mass Effect? As part of your characters story you can be gay and have a gay relationship complete with soft core scenes of sex. Gay marriage is normal. Same goes for other Bioware games like Dragon Age.
There's also examples in Saints Row, GTA, The Last of US, Borderlands 2, Dragons Dogma, Skyrim, FO New Vegas, RDR, ect ect. There's no denying that our games are becoming more accepting of gays and in turn writing stories and characters with them in mind. Not because they think it's the PC thing to do, because there's a market for it.
Btw I think you guys are confused. I'm not saying people will buy games with gay leads because they're gay. I'm saying gay leads will sell because gay is becoming normal. The people who will refuse to buy a game because of the scary gays will become a minority.
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Steam Greenlight Early Access Kickstarter games don't count, they will never be popular
Well gee you don't sound unreasonably hostile or bias about this at all.
As if you don't know. It means it's becoming part of every day life, it's becoming accepted. You know as opposed to the last few centuries when gay people were treated like criminals and mental patients.
In some versions of Final Fight - Arcade/Coin-Op there is a boss that is transgendered. Originally was a girl but NOA said "no punching girls allowed" so Capcom said "What that's a dude." NOA still pulled the character but the back story stuck in other ports.
What is the biggest gay plot line in gaming? Sandbox games like Sims and GTA where you can do anything and homosexuality is just not explicitly banned don't count. Minor NPC's don't count. Negative stereotypes don't count.
Sexuality in most video games matter almost zero. Is Little Mac gay? Are the Battle Toads bisexual? What about the biker dude in Road Rash? Probably a bear but the only way you know is just because he's a biker. The game never comes out and tells you.
You are playing those games to kick ass not to make the romance. What about the rooks in chess. Totally lesbian. And I bet you thought they were dudes too. Sexist.
I agree we need more variety in characters and we are probably slowly moving in that direction and $ votes but character diversity will not significantly sway $ votes in either direction. We will see more but it will be gradual and often feel tacked on for no reason. Unless it's an RPG the plot and sex are irrelevant.
@Kong- I'm well aware of older examples but I excluded them because I wasn't talking about them.
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What is the biggest gay plot line in gaming?
I wouldn't know how to even google for something like that.
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Sandbox games like Sims and GTA where you can do anything and homosexuality is just not explicitly banned don't count.
GTA has a story, there's a few examples of gay characters including one they named a whole DLC after(never played it but I hear things). GTAV has one of the main characters as gay, or possibly bisexual.
You can't just dismiss sims like that. The entire point of the game is sandbox social interactions and building stuff to have social interactions in. You have to work at relationships, being gay is part of the story if you go that way. It's not just in there and under the radar it's a part of the core game.
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Sexuality in most video games matter almost zero. Is Little Mac gay? Are the Battle Toads bisexual? What about the biker dude in Road Rash? Probably a bear but the only way you know is just because he's a biker. The game never comes out and tells you.
You are playing those games to kick ass not to make the romance. What about the rooks in chess. Totally lesbian. And I bet you thought they were dudes too. Sexist.
That works if you stopped playing games like 15-20 years ago and just stuck with retro stuff.
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We will see more but it will be gradual and often feel tacked on for no reason.
We are seeing it and people do think it's tacked on.
I'm well aware of older examples but I excluded them because I wasn't talking about them.
I know. I included them because they are on the site and I think it is an interesting list.
@GTA story. Ok.
@sims. Emphasis added
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being gay is part of the story if you go that way.
The idea of a sand box game like the Sims intentionally artificially limiting your choices because of discrimination is over. I think nearly all games like this will give you the choose to be gay. But I don't think a sand box choice is the same as an on rails story where a lead character is gay.
The first is "we will give the player as much option as we technically can" the other is "we have a story to tell and you are gay." Big difference. One is just not taking something away. The other is adding something.
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That works if you stopped playing games like 15-20 years ago and just stuck with retro stuff.
I figured.
A personal pet peeve is tacked on love stories in movies. A movie that is nothing about a relationship, within the first 5 mins there is a guy and a girl in a scene together. You instantly know they are going to bang because it is the main character and someone of the opposite sex talking and no one would ever do that if they weren't going to have sex as soon as they were alone. An hour later they do, then they go on with the rest of the movie. It is predictable and has nothing to do with the story and dumb.
I am guessing the same is true of modern games. Though I wouldn't know because I did stop playing new games around 20 years ago.
I think nearly all games like this will give you the choose to be gay.
Nah, stuff like Sims is still the exception. That's why I said earlier that the absence is being noticed.
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But I don't think a sand box choice is the same as an on rails story where a lead character is gay.
I disagree. If you decide to play Sims as gay then your story is reflecting that. I think you're thinking about Sims the wrong way, it's not a total sandbox it still has rules and things happen along a similar path. It's mainly sandbox because you have a lot of freedom to choose within their parameters. In the most recent game the focus has shifted even further towards social interactions so in a way being gay could be see as a large portion of the story.
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I am guessing the same is true of modern games.
Yup for the most part but not as bad. Like in Mass Effect you have the dialogue options for romance but you could avoid it completely if you want. Bioware is good like that.
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