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Old 04-14-2014, 01:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Most difficult retro games?

I was arguing with someone the other day about how difficult retro games are and it made me wonder which ones would be in the top 5 overall. To narrow it down a bit let's keep it to games on RU and leave out broken/poorly made ones. So post your list and hopefully we can hammer out a final list we all feel ok with. I'll start with the ones I can think of in no particular order-

Battletoads
Super Ghouls and Ghosts
Yolanda (amiga)
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

Mine pick would have be a tie between the three NES castlevania games, Ninja Gaiden, and Ghosts 'n' Goblins.
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

Gametrailers: Top 10 Most Difficult Games

Battlantis Coin Op
Chicken Shift Coin Op
Duck Maze Nintendo
Flipper Slipper ColecoVision
Yolanda Amiga

Most of those are really long games. Try getting to just the 4th level in any of them.

Several games from our game champ contests had intensive competition and still no one beat them.
Nitro Ball
Kid Chameleon (some of the difficulty is just from the extreme length of the game)
Adventures of Dino Riki
DeBlock
Dungeon Magic
Lode Runner 3: The Golden Labyrinth
New Zealand Story (another super long game)
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There is a big difference between hardest popular games, and hardest games. Try Dragon Fighter for NES for example.
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seconding Dragon Fighter and Battletoads

I'd say that Adventure Island is pretty hard, especially at first before you get into the rhythm of it
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A lot of this depends on how you intend to play the game.

If you play the game like you would of as a kid (lots of free time, passwords, infinite continues, etc...) a lot of NES games aren't that difficult and devolve into an exercise of patience and memorization.

Anyways, my vote is for Total Recall (NES).
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

Solar Jetman:The Hunt for the Golden Warship

Other than Battletoads, it is the one NES game I own I cannot beat.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

Amagon (NES) - if anything touches you, you die. It also has a strange point reduction when you use Megagon (and you have to use Megagon).

I've been playing it off and on without significant improvement for a while now.
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Amagon (NES) - if anything touches you, you die. It also has a strange point reduction when you use Megagon (and you have to use Megagon).

I've been playing it off and on without significant improvement for a while now.
Seconding Amagon, me and my buddy took turns for a couple hours, and we only managed to get to the jungle, (area 2 maybe?) Even just looking at how the enemies and tiny platforms are laid out, we just gave up. That game is brutal.
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Donkey Kong (arcade). Just miserably hard.
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do fighting games with ridiculous bosses count? because I still can't beat Geese Howard in the first Fatal Fury to this day, and if that's a qualifier than it should definitely be taken into consideration as one of the harder retro games
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Donkey Kong (arcade). Just miserably hard.
Yes.

I have no question that I would add this to my list as well. On top of flat out difficulty, the better you get the longer each game takes. A huge time sink factor on this one.
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SNK bosses shouldn't count haha, they're just absurd.
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Total Recall on NES, totally.
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

I'd pitch in a largely overlooked Pac title, Ms Pacman on the SNES (and the almost identical Mega Drive version.)

The mazes are the same as the original but the ghost logic is all different, all kinds of fiendish things happen, such as the ghosts switching direction when they're blue. And Blinky behaving like Sue. And the dots slow you down as much as the big dots on the Jr Pac arcade title. And after the apple stage, it's just CHASE CHASE CHASE.

It's tremendous fun, but in all the years I've been playing it, both on my brother's Mega Drive 20 years ago and recently here, I've never ONCE got to the 'Jr' mazes, whereas most people'll make it there on the original arcade Ms Pac fairly quickly.



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High Speed Pinball on the N.E.S. is crucial 4 real!

* I just got off that game not long ago on R.U. *
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There is a big difference between hardest popular games, and hardest games. Try Dragon Fighter for NES for example.
I don't care about popularity. Seems like being really difficult would hurt a games popularity anyways.

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A lot of this depends on how you intend to play the game.

If you play the game like you would of as a kid (lots of free time, passwords, infinite continues, etc...) a lot of NES games aren't that difficult and devolve into an exercise of patience and memorization.

Anyways, my vote is for Total Recall (NES).
I'm only asking about the default game to keep it simple. For example Contra wouldn't be acceptable unless you specified no life code. It's hard that way right? I never played it legit.



Anyone disagree with any of the games posted so far?

I think DM brought up a good question, should fighting games count because of their ridiculous bosses? I'm thinking no because I've seen a few that were so cheap it borders on broken. You gotta get lucky or use some broken move of your own to win.

Should Pinball count? I'm not exactly sure why but I think no. It seems like it's hard to really compare its difficulty to other genres.
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Battletoads is broken in multiplayer coop.
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I don't find Adventure Island all that hard up until about world 7.

Then again I played the crap out of it as a kid so maybe I'm just used to it.
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Re: Most difficult retro games?

A few games come to mind:

Clash At Demonhead Nintendo
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I think DM brought up a good question, should fighting games count because of their ridiculous bosses? I'm thinking no because I've seen a few that were so cheap it borders on broken. You gotta get lucky or use some broken move of your own to win.
I can definitely see where you're coming from with that, but at the same time they're still a part of the game regardless, but the fact that they're so out of line with the difficulty of the game and skip past hard to being literally broken in some cases could definitely be disqualifying.


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Should Pinball count? I'm not exactly sure why but I think no. It seems like it's hard to really compare its difficulty to other genres.
I think there's too much randomness involved in pinball for it to count, but I'm not sure.
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Cheap fighting game bosses bug me because it's usually artificial difficulty for the sake of making it hard to beat. Like being super fast and strong while using moves from several characters.
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i'd say Quasar. very hard. why isn't it available on RU?
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Pinball takes a LOT of practice to get good at (something which Im not) so I guess it could be classified as hard.
DK is definitely brutal for a first time player, but you can quickly get used to it.
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