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Old 10-17-2012, 04:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Its that time of year again!

For those who dont know, the guys at MARP host a knockout style tournament each year. It features some of the highest levels of gameplay on MAME games from some very highly skilled players. Post Here to enter.

Details still to come, it has only just been annouced.

Check out the K9 thread from last year. I encourage everyone to enter! Our top RU gamers would certainly be among the best of them. But its not just about winning! (or is it?) There is so much new blood and talent here, we are sure to give them a run for their money!

If people would rather play the games on RU, maybe we could have an unofficial competition where we try and beat the top K10 scores.

Although remember this from last year, SC?
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We should all make a pact to take part in marp10 and absolutly trounce everyone. I'm not sure but I suspect that we on this site have sharpened each others skills to the point where most of us are well above the skill level of the average player and may not even realise it.
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Although remember this from last year, SC?
Indeed I do, and I will take part.
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Thanks Barra! I've really enjoyed the MARP comps the last few years, even though I can hardly hold a candle to the great players that get involved.

I reckon I'll try to log decent scores on RU as well as via MAME/MARP for whatever games are suggested.

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Thanks Barra! I've really enjoyed the MARP comps the last few years, even though I can hardly hold a candle to the great players that get involved.

I reckon I'll try to log decent scores on RU as well as via MAME/MARP for whatever games are suggested.

Im sure you'll do fine!!

Ill probably do the same but focus more on playing here
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I got REAL Lucky (I can't empasize this point enough) last year and finished as the top ranked American player and somewhere inside the top 10. My scores weren't good, I just got lucky with the matchups.

I'm unsure as to if I want to play again this year. With this type of tournament, you can't skip a game just because you don't like it and I didn't like most of the game choices from last year. I prefer tournaments like RU's gamer of the year because I can just play the games I like. Another small thing is that since I found RU I purchased a new computer and never was motivated to load MAME. I'd have to remember how to do it again and well, I'm lazy and I could use that time to play another game
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I got REAL Lucky (I can't empasize this point enough) last year and finished as the top ranked American player and somewhere inside the top 10. My scores weren't good, I just got lucky with the matchups.

I'm unsure as to if I want to play again this year. With this type of tournament, you can't skip a game just because you don't like it and I didn't like most of the game choices from last year. I prefer tournaments like RU's gamer of the year because I can just play the games I like. Another small thing is that since I found RU I purchased a new computer and never was motivated to load MAME. I'd have to remember how to do it again and well, I'm lazy and I could use that time to play another game
I agree the choices were good at the start but quickly turned too mainstream with donkey kong and street fighter etc.

We can unofficially compete by playing the same games here!
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Once they announce the games and instructions I will see if I can make it very easy to set up - either one zip file you download and unzip or have it run through arcadeox.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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MARP is having a discussion (I can't post the link for some reason) on removing their leaderboard and based on how this discussion is going, I don't think I'll be participating at MARP any longer. Some gamers have taken to calling others scores crap and I just don't have time in my life to be dealing with that kind of stuff. This just makes me appreciate RU even more than I already do and I appreciate that gamers of all skills are more than welcome. I think I'm feeling another donation coming soon.
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Trash talking is okay if done in a fun and competitive manner but just belittling people is just immature and leads to all the nasty misconceptions the media loves to place on us and our hobby.

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Wow! It is really sad when Gamers feel the need to put others down. The hobby is supposed to be fun.
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They are thinking of completely removing their score board? Isn't that pretty much all that their site is?
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'll cut and paste a couple of possts:

"A poisoned leaderboard is not useless: it's noxious. The best thing should be archive poisoning titles, and it seems to me that almost everyone here agree.
Let's do begin removing all gambling games now. They have a genre classification in MAME, it's not difficult to identify them.

Then we should vote whether games with 10+ clones or tablegames are poisoning or not.

I'd like to see a reasonable leaderboard, actual one isn't. Let's try to rectify it, otherwise we don't need it"

"If you really want to do a decent LB, you have to do a very precise work to the entire database, that is to take best versions of a given game (so nuke any identical clone) and remove gamblers, tabletops, mahjongs, hanafuda, mechanical pinballs, perhaps console-based games (perhaps a bunch of other genres too, quiz games?). Basically, you keep everything that has a replay value to anybody that ISN'T just an editor/confirmer, and more faithful to the "Action Replay" spirit.

You might consider doing Leaderboards per category (so shooters / fighters / platforms / puzzles etc.)."


"Have you ever considered playing *good* at anything rather than just posting crap?"

This is my post: "For some, leaderboard whoring is fun. Some don't take this stuff as serious as others and just enjoy playing different games and competing on a leaderboard. Others spend enourmous amounts of time perfecting a few games and think being number one on those few titles is rewarding. Some are casual gamers who will never be good enough to hold a #1 spot on a highly contested title so they compete on other games and the leaderboard. Some are bat shit amazingly tallented who can seemingly destroy a game anytime they put their mind to it. Can't we all just get along and have fund doing our own thing?"


The response: "This contradicts about the whole point of MARP, that is:

2. If MAME's goal, as Nicola Salmoria has stated, is to emulate the arcade game as closely as possible, then MARP's goal is to emulate the experience of "watching a virtual master play an arcade game", true to the arcade experience, as closely as possible."



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"Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

I think the leaderboard actively encourages violation of this rule. When do we get to vote?

-George"

My response and probably my last dealings with MARP: "If my statement contradicts what MARP is all about then I guess I need to consider not being part of this anymore. I play games to have fun and if a bunch of folks are gonna act like jerks because mine/others gameplay isn't good enough for them, then I am most certainly not going to part of that.

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?"

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Just to be clear, I've never personally ever been accused of leaderboard whoring or submitting crappy scores but it does hit close to home as I do enjoy submitting scores on a lot of different games and enjoy the competition of a leaderboard. And some people probably do think some or most of my scores are crap. No big deal. With my life situation, I don't really have time for hard core gaming anymore and am more than happy hanging out around here and enjoying things without the pressure of worrying about if my scores are good enough for MARP.

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What exactly is a "poisoned leaderboard"?

Sounds similar to what we have already done - remove clones, gambling, mahjong, several quizes, etc.
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People shouldnt get too serious about the "leaderboard" over there. Why dont they just concentrate on the games they want to submit for?
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There are 2 main problems with the MARP leaderboard in my opinion:

1) Gambling games - MARP shouldn't track these. Period.
2) Junk uploads on weak clone romsets added in recent versions of MAME for cheap firsts. For example the first place score on Pac-Man might be 3,333,360. A new clone romset pamangbd3 gets added in MAME.148. Somebody submits a score of 6,120 to get a first place on the leaderboard.

Problem 1 should actually be fairly easy to solve. Properly track which romsets are gambling games and don't track them at MARP. Problem 2 is a harder since MARP has historically tracked all romsets. In theory this is "good" since it rewards more popular games which have a lot of clones with more 1st place scores on the leaderboard, since frequently the same player claims 1st on all the clones.

The biggest problem across the board is that MARP participation and leadership has declined over the years. Extremely weak 1st place scores on new clones and romsets in new MAME releases go unchallenged by better players. According to MARP rules, removing the leaderboard should be put to a forum vote by MARP members, but I doubt a vote will even take place.

Here is my latest post on this topic I made to the MARP forums:

by Zhorik » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:33 pm
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Zhorik wrote:Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?

Rule 2n has never been used (that I know of) to remove any scores. It is more of a "spirit" rule. And yes, it is subjective, but it isn't intended to be subjective in terms of disqualifying replays because the "gameplay isn't good enough". It's subjective in that it requires the player submitting the score to genuinely feel his replay reflects personal effort or a display of skill. So even if it's a replay of 10K on Donkey Kong, provided the player made a genuine effort in getting that score, it doesn't violate the spirt of Rule 2n.

However I feel strongly there are players that have submitted replays which clearly do not show any skil and which it is extremely difficult to believe they put any effort into, solely to try and climb the leaderboard by claiming cheap 1st with as little effort as possible. The fact they are overall a "good" player just makes it all the more obvious when they didn't make any effort. The stronger the player is, the higher standard they should hold themselves to when following the spirt of Rule 2n.

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---------- Post added at 04:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:45 AM ----------

With regard to the Knockout Tournament #10, I strongly encourage everyone to participate when and if it actually takes place. It is a strong tournament with many very good players, so it can be a bit intimidating, but it is great fun. However the coordinators haven't even announced a date for the tournament yet so it is probably premature to plan much until they announce a timeline. Traditionally it is a late fall tournament, but since nothing has been annouced yet it looks like it will bleed into next year if it takes place this year at all.

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They think clones ruin the leaderboard so they are going to remove the leaderboard. That is stupid. Just remove the clones.

Gambling games might be a bad idea but clones are horrible for a leaderboard - with a few exceptions when the clones are very different.
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Re: MARP Knockout10 Tournament

this should be starting up in late February
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Re: MARP Knockout10 Tournament

they are aiming for march 16th to start k10
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Re: MARP Knockout10 Tournament

Correct wolfman 16th March is the start date. Does clash with our CTF contest, but that will only be the first couple of rounds.

Rules have been announced. Game will be announced at the start of each round.
Ill post here when the first game is announced. Lets try and compete here on RU!
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Thanks for the update Barra!

My goal this MARP Knockout Tourny will be to not get knocked out first round haha
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Re: MARP Knockout10 Tournament

Keep in mind that all players get to play in the first 3 rounds, regardless of placement. Only the top 32 at that point continue on. Some years there have been enough players that making the top 32 after the 3 qualifying rounds is not easy.

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Everytime I take part in the tourny a Fighting game appears (usually one of the many SF2 games), and I don't bother to play it, and get knocked out.
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Re: MARP Knockout10 Tournament

K10 has started. First game is Cosmo Gang the Video - Arcade/Coin-Op

forums.marpirc.net • View topic - [K10] Round 1 - Cosmo Gang the Video (US) [cosmogng]
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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tip for the game in the bonus round make sure they don't touch the boxes you get 1 mil for that
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