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Old 01-09-2010, 12:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wii vs. 360 and PS3

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Terrible is a little strong don't you think? It's a little awkward to reach but I use it in a few games and it's fine once you get used to it. The situation reminds me of the N64 controller.

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Re: can you buy controllers that work for sega and nintendo instead of using the keyb

Microsoft is Obviously 2 Gens behind Nintendo :P
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Yeah because the Wii is so next gen right?
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Actually yeah, great titles, great controller, great concept, great system.
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Re: can you buy controllers that work for sega and nintendo instead of using the keyb

I love the Wii but it's not capable of the same things as PS3 or 360. Not just graphics although that is terrible in comparison.
How come most ports are remade to fit the Wii? They have to make a special version most times because the Wii just can't handle it.

Also it has a joke of an online system and that is the future of gaming. I know that's hard for some of you guys but it's true.

So besides the novel controller setup all it's got going for it is the name Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are developing their own motion controls and even VR. I hope the Nintendo brand name is enough to keep them in the console market.

Either way I didn't want to debate this I was just making a comparison to the N64.
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lol db, you are entirly oblivious to nintendo, you seriously cant understand nintendo, and you will continue to be puzzeld by its success till the day you die.

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Old 01-09-2010, 05:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: can you buy controllers that work for sega and nintendo instead of using the keyb

I somehow missed this post. Oh well I am in a writing mood for once. As Mushu said in Mulan... "Light me!"

They make a special version because the Wii is unique in controls. i mean the Wii mote despite it easily rolling over, is very very confortable, I don't think it's a GFX thing at all, maybe the other company's focus more on GFX than gameplay, but Nintendo is going strong and is the best, an example of a powerhouse is the New Mario Bros. Wii. Pure Genius, who the hell cares about GFX anyways, I don't.

I feel the online system is great and safe for children. I would rather use the Wii system than go on something about Xbox and someone ask about my balls.

So, Nintendo comes up with the idea and they steal it? Then you rave they are best? That's stupid. I hate mimicing systems, and Nintendo finally pulled a good system out and you bash it? Is this just because you can't hook yours up?

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I'm not oblivious by any means. I know the point is they have a different style and they cater to a different demographic. Sony and Microsoft are working to bridge the gap between them and that market. If that happens the weak little Wii won't stand a chance. Nintendo is avoiding the competition for now but they need something more to stay ahead.

Besides all that I fully supported all the Nintendo systems until the Wii. I still like it and continue to buy games for it but it's still a weaker system that relies on a novelty and a brand name. There is no special nintendo magic I'm failing to understand.

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They make a special version because the Wii is unique in controls.
No they make a special version because the Wii can't handle the normal version. There's no debating the Wii just isn't as powerful as the other two. If you only buy a Wii you will miss out on tons of great games that the PS3 and 360 share.

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I don't think it's a GFX thing at all, maybe the other company's focus more on GFX than gameplay, but Nintendo is going strong and is the best, an example of a powerhouse is the New Mario Bros. Wii. Pure Genius, who the hell cares about GFX anyways, I don't.
Yeah graphics is one obvious thing but besides that the Wii is just weaker overall. It cannot handle much beyond what GC could handle.

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I feel the online system is great and safe for children. I would rather use the Wii system than go on something about Xbox and someone ask about my balls.
The Wii online is functional but other than that it's the most basic, boring thing I've ever used. Good for kids and parents who don't know any better I guess.
Btw Xbox and PS3 have this new feature called Mute for all those meanie heads who might offend you. Also young kids shouldn't be on the Xbox mic anyways right? They can't chat on the Wii online right?

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So, Nintendo comes up with the idea and they steal it? Then you rave they are best? That's stupid. I hate mimicing systems, and Nintendo finally pulled a good system out and you bash it? Is this just because you can't hook yours up?
Keep reaching. There is no stealing going on here. New technology comes out and everyone scrambles to catch up. Now it's up to Nintendo to adapt or go the way of Sega.

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Sony and Microsoft are failures. Sony can't put up decent hardware for games (psp almost broke) and Microsoft I haven't really played but they have overheating problems. The only thing going for Microsoft is shooters, and Sony RPG's. Nintendo actually does good games likes platformers, RPG's all around the board. So I feel they will stay ahead.

As soon as the N64 hit I really really wasn't a fan of it, same with the GCN. I can name less than 20 games combined that I liked. But look at the Wii good games ranging from Mario bros Wii to Punch out. They bring back the oldies while Sony/Microsoft are focusing on GFX. To me that's failure.

Nintendo is great now, I hope they keep this up. The only complain I got is the controllers require batteries instead of an option to hook it up while playing.
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Sony and Microsoft are failures. Sony can't put up decent hardware for games (psp almost broke) and Microsoft I haven't really played but they have overheating problems. The only thing going for Microsoft is shooters, and Sony RPG's. Nintendo actually does good games likes platformers, RPG's all around the board. So I feel they will stay ahead.

As soon as the N64 hit I really really wasn't a fan of it, same with the GCN. I can name less than 20 games combined that I liked. But look at the Wii good games ranging from Mario bros Wii to Punch out. They bring back the oldies while Sony/Microsoft are focusing on GFX. To me that's failure.

Nintendo is great now, I hope they keep this up. The only complain I got is the controllers require batteries instead of an option to hook it up while playing.
saying that their failures is a little extreme (they are failures in japan) but yeah they are not on the same level as nintendo (omg ds sales are staggering), they are still signifcant, although i doubt nintendos sweatin it
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To me they are failures, I do like the PSP and maybe the PS3, but it just seems they just slapped em together. I love the DS, I haven't gotten any new games for it because of saving, so it sadly collected dust.
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Yeah that's a clever way of avoiding everything I said.

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So what you're saying is you have no idea of what's actually going on and this is your fan boy opinion?

Btw guys you keep losing perspective here. I love Nintendo and the majority of what they make. I take issue with the Wii because it just seems like they couldn't make a true next gen system so they tacked on a novelty that became popular because of their brand name and marketing.
Some stuff is good but it's obvious the system is not for me. I barely use the motion controller anyways. When I play MK I use a GC controller.
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I am no fan boy, at all. I don't like Microsoft period. Sony I can muster because I like some of the games. However I do like the Wii because of the games, the features, etc.

You take issue for them not making a next true gen? They revolutionized gaming. I mean, the controller is sweet, minus the draw back I said earlier. Even if that was a different company who made it I would think it was sweet and support it. Nintendo makes systems with care.

The only time I DO NOT use the Motion Controller is Sonic Riders too, it pisses me off. Other than that, I use it. However when I play MK I use the Nun-chuck thingy.

I just saw you replied (couldn't you just add another post? I missed it).

What games? It might not have GFX power but PS3/360 do but have heating problems.

So? It depends on the games. I don't care what they can handle or not.

Meanie heads? LMAO. The Wii is safer, less problems with someone trying to curse you out without muting. Less trouble.

Nintendo is doing fine. They are doing great and 360/PS3 are just jumping on the bandwagon.

P.S. I think we went way off topic..
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Clarifier: My opinion is uninformed. I know almost nothing about modern gaming I thought I would jump into the debate anyways. My opinion is unbiased though, I am not a fan boy or hater of any of these companies.

Dudebro is right, the future of gaming is online multiplayer.

Motion controllers or novelties. They will stick around but they will not make or break a system. Any future system without perfect multilayer support will fail.

I watched the tech demos and I think MS and Sony will have superior motion controllers very soon. They already have superior gfx and online play. After the controllers are updated Wii will be a technically inferior system in all regards.

But Nintendo has secret weapons.
1. Nintendo has the most famous first party titles.
2. Nintendo realized that it is no longer about the most impressive specs, realistic graphics and 3D worlds. It is about gameplay. Always should have been. They are going back to the roots and this is so important. The others have not caught on. I haven't liked games since 1990 but now even I want to buy a DS and Wii.
3. Nintendo is targeting all ages trying to get their adult fan boys to pass the tradition on to the next generation. Wise business decision. Something that isn't really an option for the other companies.

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I think it is a gfprocessor thing.

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That isn't a new idea. I came up with the idea when I was 8. The idea was in the power glove commercial, if not in the actual power glove. Motion controllers were on the tech horizon, even if Nintendo didn't make one the other companies still would have. It probably pushed them to move faster but it was going to happen either way.

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Sony and Microsoft are working to bridge the gap between them and that market.
I agree but see my secret weapons above.

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Now it's up to Nintendo to adapt or go the way of Sega.
They could have 20 years of pure failure and still survive on their name, deep pockets (including advertisements), and first party titles and nothing else. They can't lose those things and don't need anything else to avoid Sega's fate.

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Microsoft I haven't really played but they have overheating problems.
I have asked this several times and have never got a good answer. How is any game console better than a gaming PC? The only answer I could come up with is they are specially designed for the task and so work perfectly for the task. In other words you don't have to worry about things like over heating. That sounds like it is not true though.

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That is a stupid design mistake.

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what do you guys mean that online multiplayer is the future of gaming? are you trying to say that every game will be online multiplayer? i dont think thats true at all, they might all be hooked up to online score boards or have some acheivments or whatever, but theres no way that its gonna all be online multiplayer. look at the sales of nintendo products, clearly the public doesnt care.
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I don't like Microsoft period. Sony I can muster because I like some of the games.
Well that's just dumb. Are you saying you only like sony because of the very few exclusives that never get ported to 360 or Wii? What is it just Rachet and Clank or something else that's an overhyped graphical update of a PS2 game?
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You take issue for them not making a next true gen? They revolutionized gaming. I mean, the controller is sweet, minus the draw back I said earlier. Even if that was a different company who made it I would think it was sweet and support it. Nintendo makes systems with care.
Accessories do not make a system next gen. Nintendo was clever at first but now they have to show they can stay in the game.
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It might not have GFX power but PS3/360 do but have heating problems.
I have no idea about PS3s issues but I've never heard anything about overheating.
Microsoft admitted their fault, extended all warranties and offered as many free repairs as needed to systems made before they fixed the problem. Oh well they screwed up and did the right thing about it. You gonna demonize them forever about it? The majority of victims of the overheating problem staying with the 360, what's that tell you?

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Meanie heads? LMAO. The Wii is safer, less problems with someone trying to curse you out without muting. Less trouble.
By safer you mean no actual online voice chat or socialization of any kind. No thanks I'm an adult and I can deal with some idiots cursing every now and then. I've used both online systems many times so I know what I'm talking about. The Wii has the worst multiplayer and there's no debate about it.
Btw when I said meanie heads I was mocking you're apparently thin skin.

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Nintendo is doing fine. They are doing great and 360/PS3 are just jumping on the bandwagon.
Deny it all you want but Nintendo can't coast on it's name forever. What are you going to say when Nintendos next console comes out and it's fully online like the current next gen systems? Will you think Nintendo is jumping the bandwagon?


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Not very secret to be honest with you. Like you said though you're uninformed about this.

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They could have 20 years of pure failure and still survive on their name, deep pockets (including advertisements), and first party titles and nothing else. They can't lose those things and don't need anything else to avoid Sega's fate.
I'm not going to argue about something unknowable like this but I really disagree with you.

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I have asked this several times and have never got a good answer. How is any game console better than a gaming PC? The only answer I could come up with is they are specially designed for the task and so work perfectly for the task. In other words you don't have to worry about things like over heating. That sounds like it is not true though.
I think it's partially about ease of use and cost compared to PCs. Most gamers I know either don't own a PC of their own or they have almost no idea how to use it besides Facebook and email.
Another issue is most console games aren't released on PC and vice versa. This might be a deliberate thing by Microsoft and other companies but who knows.
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what do you guys mean that online multiplayer is the future of gaming? are you trying to say that every game will be online multiplayer? i dont think thats true at all, they might all be hooked up to online score boards or have some acheivments or whatever, but theres no way that its gonna all be online multiplayer. look at the sales of nintendo products, clearly the public doesnt care.
Have you been living under a rock the last ten years or so? It's all about being online and connected. Why else would people be buying cellphones for hundreds of dollars so they can have it online and everything else they don't need?
Microsoft and Sony are trying to make their consoles into multimedia devices to avoid being pigeon holed. They just recently added the ability to connect directly to facebook, why do you think that is?

Also online is the new trend with all games, not just multiplayer games. Single player RPGs have all kinds of updates(free and fee) and they update games the same way a PC does if there's a bug or glitch they need to patch. There's no denying it's the future. Nintendo can cling to it's niche for so long before they have to look for something else to prop them up.


And yeah, this is way offtopic. I wasn't going to continue it but I don't like leaving things unanswered when they're directed at me. I'm only going to reply to things about this post, besides the OP of course.

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I think it's partially about ease of use
You could make the pc as easy to use as a console. Have a button you press that loads it up in "game mode" where it behaves just like a console. Another button you press that loads it in "PC Mode" Game Mode could be a solid state OS the same as a Nintendo is so the user can never screw it up.

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and cost compared to PCs.
Game consoles intentionally lose money because they know they will make the money back on the games. Something similar can be worked out where you buy 10 games you get a pc coupon or games are cheaper or something, it could be worked out. It would be cheaper to buy a powerful game PC than to buy a regular pc and a game console which is what most gamers do.

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Gamers didn't own a game console until they were produced and marketed.

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Fixable.

I think you read my question as "in the current market why do people buy a console when they could just by a pc". My question was why design a console in the first place when PC already exist and are much better suited for the job (in my slightly but not fully educated opinion).

Also an xbox is fully capable of being a pc, why isn't it. If it is a fear of screwing it up the same as most people screw up a pc, you could have it in locked down mode where it was capable of being like a pc but never saved changes. Every time you turned it on it would be the same settings as the first time you plugged it in. Same as my "game mode" idea above.
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Ninty has realised the future of gaming. They understand constantly competeing for "most powerful" console is a fool's game.

Nintendo has revolutionized the gaming industry. Because of the Wii I've actually played a game with my wife, son, and mother all at the same time.

Gaming is about fun, not about extra shiney graphics, trophies, and online communities filled with obnoxious preteens.

Also, NATAL will fail. Here's a quote from someone who's much more educated about the specs than I am. Bear in mind he's a self-proclaimed Microsoft fanboy and Wii hater.

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Right now you’re thinking “But you said the Wii would bomb and it didn’t!” And yes, I was wrong about that. However the surprise success of the Wii definitely affects my prediction here, although there is some argument for me being wrong again. Some thoughts:
  • Anyone that wanted a Wii-like control already bought a Wii. This is one of those “2 types of people in the world” arguments. Either you want to do Yoga on a piece of plastic or you want to see how many bad guys you can shoot in 3 minutes. Nintendo tries to have hardcore games and the 360 tries to be casual, but let’s be honest here. 2 different systems, 2 different audiences.
  • Many people with a 360 already own a Wii and never play it. “Wow, this will be fun at parties!” “Wow my girlfriend will like this!” “Wow it sort of replicates a golf swing!” We’ve heard it all before, then it just becomes one more thing you have to dust off. Did you know unless you turn the Wii completely OFF (red light) it keeps running? I wonder if Al Gore knows how many dormant Wii’s are pointlessly wasting electricity across America.
  • Living rooms are too small. Ever see that Natal video where each member of the stupid family plays the thing? Wish I had a living room that big! I bet a lot of people do. Using your cell phone or digital camera, trying taking a photo from the perspective of your TV of your living room. Can you fit all of a person standing up in the frame? If so, how much can they move forward or back before they’re off frame? Unless the Natal has a stupidly wide angle lens (which would adversely affect accuracy / convergence) I’m not sure how well it will work in “the real world”. Thus…
  • It won’t work as well as you think / they say. The technology of the Natal is all software, since the unit is simply 2 cameras, an IR light and a microphone. Thus it’s up to the software to interpret the motion. Which the 360 could excel at, since it’s far more advanced than a Wii. So to some extent that would future-proof it - new algorithms could extend the capabilities, instead of having to physically add on a WiiMotion Plus. Still, whatever you think it might be able to do it won’t. Instead of piecing together clues “Minority Report” style we’ll be kicking virtual balls around.
  • It’s a blatant Wii rip off. People are pretty stupid but they’ll figure this one out. Unless it has some killer app like Wii Sports (it won’t) there will be no reason for people to be interested, besides hard core 360 fanboys. But will they even? I love the 360, I think the Wii is a POS, and there’s no way I’d buy this stupid thing unless it was super cheap. But unfortunately…
  • It won’t be super cheap. It’s two (probably low resolution) cameras with a microphone on a single USB bus! Now how much would you pay? Probably more than you’d think. The 360 Vision camera is reasonable priced (even for a 360 device) because people have a general idea what web cams cost. But this is new! It’s amazing! Some have predicted the Natal being $75 or even $50, but if it costs a penny less than $99.99 (includes game) I’ll be shocked.
  • Microsoft’s past winning strategy of “Rip Off then Perfect” isn’t what it used to be. I am a die-hard Microsoft fan, wouldn’t use a Mac if you paid me to, but I will readily admit that Microsoft basically “borrows” ideas from others and perfects them for a mass market. (Although to be fair Apple ripped off the GUI from the Xerox’s Alto Spark computer) The general consensus is MS wins with the 3rd version of a product. (IE is a good example of this). However lately they’ve been less successful at this, the Zune being a prime example. Even with a far superior music store (let’s face it iTunes sucks) better tech, competitive prices and insane battery life on the Zune HD they still lag behind. Zune HD basically can’t win because it will always and forever be behind on the iPod for apps. I have an iPod Touch. iTunes is slow as hell, it syncs very stupidly, the music lists are lame, you have to pay for firmware updates (inexcusable!) but the apps are awesome. Zune can’t beat iPod for the same reason Mac can’t beat Windows - once 90% of the market has invested in something there’s no turning them back.
  • Natal functionality in normal games will be as stupid, limited and tacked on as Sixaxis was. Ever play Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune? Great game, but the grenade throwing BLEW CHUNKS. You were basically required to use the Sixaxis to lob grenades - which was never accurate of course - and it was broken to the point where eventually you didn’t even bother with ‘nades. Then of course there’s Lair, look how well that worked! Uncharted 2 dumped Sixaxis altogether and the world cheered. Why should we expect the Natal to be any different?
  • By time the Natal comes out the Wii fad will be even more “over. - ‘Nuff said. I’m sure they didn’t have enough software ready (if any) but why didn’t they release Natal Christmas ‘09? Hell, just the ball demo even. People bought the Wii for 1 game, why not this?
Oh but the Natal lets you browse movies by waving your hand around and saying “Play Movie”. Because that’s exactly how I want to browse for movies, thanks. Heaven forbid you just use the controller or perhaps this. Granted the Media Remote requires the aiming accuracy of a Navy Seals sharpshooter but hey - it works.
One thing cool about the Natal is approximately 3 seconds after it is released someone will convert it into a 3D camera for general recording purposes. Nice.
By extension I don’t think anyone’s going to fall for the PlayStation “Wand” thing either. Both it and the Natal are a day late and a dollar short. Stick to what you consoles do best - triple A games, great online and community.


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Tenser, +1

Figured I would post a link to this while we are on the subject http://retrouprising.com/video-games...t-natal/t7889/
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Besides a select few games(Moster Hunter 3, Mario Galaxy), playing a Wii to me is like playing old NES games. There's not much to it, it's fun for a little bit, and then 15 minutes later I am done.

That's why I prefer my 360. I can get immersed in a game and play it for hours and hours.

A good 360 game feels like a game. Most Wii games feel like a toy.

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That's an excelent way to put it, couldn't have said it better myself.

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Must be nice to have hours and hours to invest into a video game at your age.

Get a job.
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