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Old 03-29-2010, 06:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Retro Nouveau

So, if you keep up with the forums (and why wouldn't you?), you'd know that I just got Cave Story on Wednesday but am already well into my fourth play-through of the game.

I've already gotten all the endings. I've already gotten all the items/weapons that I care about. I've already tried all the modes. So why am I playing? Cuz it's a damn fun game! That's why!

This game really got me thinking: unlike MegaMan 9, 10 and Sonic 4, Cave Story's "retro" style isn't actually retro. That's just what Cave Story is. We're not revisiting something from 20+ years ago.

Is this revival in "classic" gameplay just a byproduct of downloadable games have file size restraints? Or are people's tastes in gaming just as cyclical as anything else? (Swing dance and boy bands made a come back in the late 90s, 3D movies are back in fashion, the list goes on ...)

Or has gaming just gotten so bloated that a void emerged for simple, fun games to fill?

I don't have the answer for you. I only know how I feel.

So how do I feel? I feel like I love Cave Story, I loved MegaMan 9, I'll probably love MM10 when I get around to it, I loved NSMBWii, and I'm incredibly excited for some 2D elements in Metroid Other M. Of course, I'm still looking forward to the big budget, online-driven release like Monster Hunter Tri and ZengekiNR.

But that's just it - I want both. I don't think retro has to be "retro." Yes, as a style it is firmly rooted in a time long since past. But as an aesthetic? I think if the content is fresh, the game will be too.

8bit or 1080p? I'm diggin' it either way.

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In my opinion, every video game should be in 16 bit, hold for First Person Simulations.
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In my opinion, every video game should be in 16 bit,
That's like saying all photographs should be in black and white. No thanks.
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16 bit was best.
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That's like saying all photographs should be in black and white.
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16 bit was best.
Not really, you're just being nostalgic. I love 16bit graphics too but they are nothing compared to modern graphics.

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I hate modern gfx, I have said this like 1000 times.
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And like I've said before, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not better.
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But you're saying I'm nostagalic, when I am not I am speaking the damn truth.
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I'm not trying to piss you off or start an argument but saying 16 bit is better than modern graphics is being nostalgic(there's probably a better word but I can't think of it). Modern graphics are the evolution of 16bit. We wouldn't be where we are today without it, but it is old school and out dated.
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And like I've said before, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not better.
DB I do hope you are aware of your underlying hypocrisy.
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Then why bring it back? Cuz it's better. I ALWAYS hated 3D crap.
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DB I do hope you are aware of your underlying hypocrisy.
I'm aware but the point still stands. Modern graphic are better because they are the natural progression. 16 bit was a stepping stone just like 8 bit before it. Tails prefers 16bit but that isn't the same thing as saying it's the best. Best implies that it's better than the rest, it's just not true.
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In your oppinion, that is. You're acting like what you say is law or something :P
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You should see him elsewhere. DB sure stirs things up with debate. (Don't take me seriously)
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In your oppinion, that is. You're acting like what you say is law or something :P
It's not an opinion, next gen graphic are better. That doesn't mean 16bit sucks it just means it can do more and it looks better. That make sense? I'm just taking issue with how you said it, not why.

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I think these guys know how I am by now. besides, it's not my fault some people on other sites can't handle a real debate right?
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It's still your opinion, no matter how you spin it.
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So are you trying to say that SMW has better graphics than a game like Oblivion?

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Just because something has progressed into something new doesnt mean it's better. You just feel that way because society has geared you to beleive it, and you don't question it.
You might like modern graphics over 16bit wether or not society told you to, but at least say you like them better cause you feel they make the games a better experience for you, saying they are better because they are the latest thing is just stupid. Btw did you hear the latest Kanye West cd? Man the effects on that are amazing, way better than that scratchy noise you get while listen to dirty old records.

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Yes, I LOVE cartoony/animey.
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@Steven- I get your point but that's not what's going on here. I say they're better because they actually are. 16 bit is only capable of so much, it's limited. Like I said that doesn't mean it's bad at all. Next gen graphics are better at everything in comparison. Modern game companies may not use it to the best potential but that doesn't change the technical aspects of what's possible now compared to the 16bit era.

It's like the black and white pictures comparison from the first couple posts. Sure many die hard photographers love it and it's an artform but modern technology is just better in all aspects. Same goes for this discussion. You guys are die hard retro gamers so naturally you prefer it. It doesn't change the facts though.
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What you are doing is confusing the word, "better" with "advanced"

Is a digital painting better than a traditional oil painting?
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Is a microvaved burrito better than one cooked in the oven?

People have personal preference, If they think that the older version of something is better than no one can say that they are wrong.

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Also I don't prefer 16-bit graphics, there are good graphics and bad graphics no matter what the technology.
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I don't think it's the same thing but I don't wanna go back and forth about it. I'm not bashing 16bit graphics, some of my favorite games are from that era. To me next gen will always be better as long as it keeps improving. 16bit will always be awesome though.

Btw I'm sorry I brought it up. I was only making a passing comment at Tails.
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I was only making a passing comment at Tails.
Yeah, I knew that but I felt like a small debate.
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I can understand that. The point of these topics is discussion right?
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