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Old 01-17-2014, 03:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Nintendo lowers forecast from •55B profit to •25B loss

3DS 18M->13.5M
WiiU 9M->2.8M

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In the year-end sales season which constitutes the highest proportion of the annual sales volume, software sales with a relatively high margin were significantly lower than our original forecasts mainly due to the fact that hardware sales did not reach their expected level. As a result, the total of selling, general and administrative expenses will surpass gross profit, which leads to an operating loss.
The reason why we will post ordinary income despite the operating loss situation is that we now assume that the yen will be weaker than our original assumptions at the beginning of the fiscal year, which results in foreign
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On the other hand, we expect to post a net loss because we need to reverse deferred tax assets in relation to the losses carried over from the previous fiscal years mainly in the United States, as we can no longer expect our financial performance to recover in the current fiscal year.
Exchange rate assumptions for the fourth financial quarter as well as for the end of the full fiscal year have been revised from 90 yen to 100 yen per U.S. dollar, and from 120 yen to 140 yen per euro in consideration of the recent exchange rate situation
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SH, why are you so obsessed with "Nintendo is doomed!"

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If anything make a "Xbox 1 is doomed" thread, those things are sittin on shelves everywhere, while PS4's (and Wiiu U for a week or 2) are destroying them, and not even available.
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SH, why are you so obsessed with "Nintendo is doomed!"

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If anything make a "Xbox 1 is doomed" thread, those things are sittin on shelves everywhere, while PS4's (and Wiiu U for a week or 2) are destroying them, and not even available.
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News is news. Sorry it's not favorable to your favorite. Spin it however you like, but numbers don't lie.

Xbox One and PS4 have almost outsold in a few months what the Wii U has sold in one year. Think about that.

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News is news. Sorry it's not favorable to your favorite. Spin it however you like, but numbers don't lie.

Xbox One and PS4 have almost outsold in a few months what the Wii U has sold in one year. Think about that.
But the 3DS has outsold the {(three of them combined + plus the Vita) X2}, think about that.

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If anything make a "Xbox 1 is doomed" thread, those things are sittin on shelves everywhere, while PS4's (and Wiiu U for a week or 2) are destroying them, and not even available.
Uh, I went to Toys R Us in my area the other day and there were 4 PS4's sitting there available...

Granted there was 10 Xbone's and lots of Wii U's as well, but still, all was there.
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If anything make a "Xbox 1 is doomed" thread, those things are sittin on shelves everywhere, while PS4's (and Wiiu U for a week or 2) are destroying them, and not even available.
Anecdotal evidence is pretty lame.
NPD numbers for December are out, Xbox One is best selling next gen console in the USA. Hell, the 360 might have outsold the Wii U, but Nintendo's not giving any specific numbers (I wonder why).
Yeah, USA, but you're not looking at store shelves worldwide.

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But the 3DS has outsold the {(three of them combined + plus the Vita) X2}, think about that.
3DS has been sold all year. X1/PS4 have been on the market for two months. Think harder.

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Unfortunately I don't even think removing him will help Nintendo at all, they seem to be having major problems across the entire company that go beyond just his position.
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Remember that Nintendo has had bad console sells. Gamecube is a good example of that. One bad system cycle is not going to spell the end of Nintendo. It does however put a lot more pressure on Nintendo to put up a hot selling console the next console generation.
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While the WiiU has been a failure, the 3DS is one of the best systems of all time and is keeping it afloat for now. If Smash 4 and Mario Kart don't sell outrageously, WiiU is all but doomed.
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I'm standing by my prediction that Wii U will start moving units this year, and be selling well by the end of it. Like CP mentioned, the 3DS alone is enough to keep the company going.
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SH, why are you so obsessed with "Nintendo is doomed!"

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If anything make a "Xbox 1 is doomed" thread, those things are sittin on shelves everywhere, while PS4's (and Wiiu U for a week or 2) are destroying them, and not even available.
Xbox 1 doomed? Siitin on shelves everywhere? Maybe but in December, they were #1. Yahoo!
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In the US, in every other country they were beat, and the only reason they beat them was because of supply.

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Sony will reign on top, Every other Company Is steadily losing steps in the console race!
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Ps4 at no. 2, Xbone at no.12, Sony has sold more controllers than Xbone has sold units.
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Sony's 5,000 votes to XB1's 1,200 votes...lol
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I agree with Steven. I think the only reason Xbone beat PS4 in December was because of supply. They were available the entire month in stores near me but they didn't even ship a new supply of PS4s until around the 20th.
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Remember that Nintendo has had bad console sells. Gamecube is a good example of that. One bad system cycle is not going to spell the end of Nintendo. It does however put a lot more pressure on Nintendo to put up a hot selling console the next console generation.
The Gamecube was never as bad as this. Nintendo made profit day 1 on GC, and had third party games on it.

Now:
-Third parties have abandoned the Wii U, and what few external games are on them don't sell, so N gets no software licensing revenue.
-Compounding with the above, Nintendo's own first party software isn't selling either.
-They take losses on every Wii U sale. Previously one software title made it a positive transaction, but now the losses are greater due to forced price drops in all regions.
-Retailers hate it. Nintendo has had to compensate retailers for the dropped price and shelf space, especially in Europe and Australia where the machine is catatonic. In addition they are sitting on a huge inventory that requires cost to store.
-In the GC days there was an acceptable stream of software coming from them....now it is very clear that they are having serious problems with games development across the board.
Last year around this time Nintendo broadcast annoucements. Lets look what's happened to most of those games.
Bayonetta 2 - No info
Yarn Yoshi - No info
X - No info
SMTxFE - No info
New Zelda - No info, unless it was Zelda Musou, in which there is still no info other than prototype footage.
Mario Kart 8 - No info except for a few trailers. Probably delayed to late summer or fall.
Smash - More or less same as MK8, at least it shows signs of progress (based Sakurai).

Really, really distressing stuff. It doesn't inspire any confidence at all.
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Re: Nintendo lowers forecast from •55B profit to •25B loss

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I agree with Steven. I think the only reason Xbone beat PS4 in December was because of supply. They were available the entire month in stores near me but they didn't even ship a new supply of PS4s until around the 20th.
This is probably true but a really dumb move by Sony. On the day I decided to make the plunge and buy a new console I was still on the fence about which one to buy. When I went to shop and only the Xbox was available, my decision was made easy.
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Re: Nintendo lowers forecast from •55B profit to •25B loss

You're right DBC that was really dumb. I heard some people bragging about how Sony wasn't able to stay on the shelves. My first thought was "how do they expect to keep making money if they're this unprepared?".
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Re: Nintendo lowers forecast from •55B profit to •25B loss

Oh yeah I totally agree. They probably would've won in December if the had the units available. A silly move there by Sony to not have enough units prepared. I mean most of the signs pointed to Sony blowing out Xbone early, you would think they would have more available very soon after selling out.
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Supplies were limited because they were spread out over more countries, they actually produced more units than than MS. (I think)
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Well then they should've made more. It's not like the xmas season was a surprise for them.
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Well then they should've made more. It's not like the xmas season was a surprise for them.
I'm quite certain that it was not a conscious decision.
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I just see no excuse for not being prepared for the busiest shopping season of the year. If they were short on systems they screwed up big time.
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