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Old 04-10-2010, 05:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Losing Our Religion

In the early 90's Nintendo was famous for removing religious iconography and references from video games for North American release. Have times changed, or is religion still a taboo subject in the video game industry?

Any discussion of religious censorship in games inevitably leads to Nintendo of America in the early 90's. Religious themes, images, ideas, references and or depictions were banned from games for the NES, Super Nintendo, or Game Boy, at least as far as obtaining the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality was concerned, which led to many Japanese games being modified for release in North America.

The Japanese have always been more relaxed regarding the inclusion of religion in their video games. Take the Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior in the states) series. The beloved role-playing game series has long featured strong religious overtones, with characters visiting a church in order to be healed of their wounds. Nintendo of America instituted changes in the North American releases, renaming the churches Houses of Healing, though players young and old understood that these were indeed houses of worship as well.

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Old 04-12-2010, 12:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I noticed in the manual for the Wii VC version of Final Fantasy the picture regarding clinics is a cross, yet atop the clinics are clearly edited frames with hearts in them.

Also, in Final Fantasy II(SNES), Rosa's "pray" ability was completely cut. What's the deal with that?
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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All the crosses in dragon quest simply had their side parts bent up, so they look like a trident sort of thing.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Losing Our Religion

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I noticed in the manual for the Wii VC version of Final Fantasy the picture regarding clinics is a cross, yet atop the clinics are clearly edited frames with hearts in them.

Also, in Final Fantasy II(SNES), Rosa's "pray" ability was completely cut. What's the deal with that?
Not to mention in the DS version of that game, they brought back the pray ability. Make up your mind Nintendo.
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Doesn't the Castlevania series reference Christianity all the time?
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Doesn't the Castlevania series reference Christianity all the time?
There are no real immediate references before Symphony of the Night, but Christian symbols and practices are there. There isn't really anything to offend the other religions though, and crosses generally weave their way into vampire stories anywho.

What's up with not being able to speak about "death" in SNES games? "Perish" doesn't seem to be that different and yet it's used non-stop in S.O.S, a game killing off so many people that you actually here faint screams around the ship mind you.
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I always found it weird why Nintendo (and some other companies) felt it necessary to censor religious aspects in games.

Regardless of the religion, I don't think any titles should be censored. If some story is Islamic, Buddhist, Taoist, Christian, Krisha, Hindu based, etc. I think the story should be allowed to be released unaltered.

Case in point, God of War. It is completely steeped in Greek Mythology and feature Kratos killing off the pantheon of Greek gods. The games are great, and for the most part no one worships Greek gods anymore, so maybe that's why no one bothered to censor it.

I think Dante's Inferno is a cool example of using another mythlogy (Catholic in this case) to nice effect. This game would have never been made by Nintendo or it would have been severely neutered to the point of being unrecognizable.

I think censorship is no good regardless of what is being censored.
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I think censorship is no good regardless of what is being censored.
Our language is censored here in RU.
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Our language is censored here in RU.
True, but this is Kong's house, so house rules apply.
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Yeah I know. House wine is pretty good too.
Back on topic, it really is interesting how the religious aspect of the games gets censored out of games. WB, you made a good point about how pretty much nobody believes in the Greek Gods anymore so it's not blasphemy to have them in a game. Are there any other gods that are no longer rich in followers?
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I think censoring is stupid but society expects it on kid friendly sites.
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Expected but not required. Anyways, this is your jewel Kong so what you say goes.
Besides that's why we got a private forums for us adults and not easily offended RU members. Even if nobody posts there, it's still an available option.
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Yeah I know. House wine is pretty good too.
Back on topic, it really is interesting how the religious aspect of the games gets censored out of games. WB, you made a good point about how pretty much nobody believes in the Greek Gods anymore so it's not blasphemy to have them in a game. Are there any other gods that are no longer rich in followers?
I think also a company should have the right to make a story they want to in a game regardless of if it might offend someone or a group. Another case in point for me would be Assassin's Creed. Without going into spoilers, anyone who has played it knows just how controversial it could be to certain religious groups. However, if every company worried about putting in religious themes because of controversy, we would have never had Assassins Creed II which I think is in my top 5 greatest games I have ever played.

Joz, I should have added, I think there are still some small groups that do believe in Greek gods (isolated groups), but they probably aren't going to play God of War or be offended by it anyway.

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I need to buy me a PS3 to play Assassin's Creed. I know I'm missing out on a bunch of good games out there...
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Thankfully game companies aren't as concerned about religious approval anymore. There's still some concern about bad press from these groups but I doubt major game companies break a sweat over it. It's too bad religious influence censored a couple generations of awesome games.
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I need to buy me a PS3 to play Assassin's Creed. I know I'm missing out on a bunch of good games out there...
Do you have a 360? That's what I play the series on.
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Remeber the whole story about the Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man?
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_the_usage_of_Manchester_Cathedral _in_Resistance:_Fall_of_Man"]Controversy over the usage of Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Despite all the massive criticism, It improved both sales of Resistance and tourism to the Manchester Cathedral.
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Remeber the whole story about the Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man?
Controversy over the usage of Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Despite all the massive criticism, It improved both sales of Resistance and tourism to the Manchester Cathedral.
That's right. I forgot about that one.

I honestly think a lot of groups only protest something because they want free publicity themselves. I don't think they even care about hurting the sales of the game themselves. Often, I think they just want to mobilize their own bases.
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I think Kong would allow profanity on the site if the mods wanted it.

Good thing Sabbs and I are here to ruin all of your fun.

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Old 04-15-2010, 08:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Or you could be like jozman and request to be mocked publicly.

Does anyone else here feel the need to openly drop the F bomb so they can feel mature? After all, we're all adults and it is very adult-like to curse, right? God forbid we show a little reserve to be more inclusive to those who don't wish to read such filth. I mean excluding other members so we can type a dozen more words is what RU is all about. Screw them, they're not welcome here. I wouldn't want to be part of a gaming site that I wouldn't have to be embarrassed looking at in front of my child, let alone be able to show him the wonders of our hobby through it.

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Don't take me too seriously Ten. If I truly felt like cursing I wouldn't be here now would I? RU is a great site and I'll abide by the rules. Speaking my mind is not censored though right?

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Don't take me too seriously Ten. If I truly felt like cursing I wouldn't be here now would I? RU is a great site and I'll abide by the rules. Speaking my mind is not censored though right?

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Yep I know. I still want a PS3 though. There are tons of games I'm just itching to play. I think I'm going on 4 years since I last played on a PS2 or Xbox.
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