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Old 04-12-2012, 05:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup

Anyone ever play this game, or the original?

I've yet to give the original Dungeon Crawl a go, but from what I've played of DCSS, it's so much fun, and I realize how unprofessional that sounds, aha.

For those who don't know, DC/DCSS is a roguelike,

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and is one of the most popular ones still being played today. I believe the others are NetHack, Dwarf Fortress and the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.

For those who have played any roguelikes, what are your thoughts on them? Like, dislike? Hate, love? I, for one, love the concept, the overall gameplay and amount of things to do in them, but find it hard to get into most of the earlier, ASCII based ones. DCSS is the only one I've played extensively, almost religiously, you might say.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

This ones fun:
Retro Uprising - Arcade - Taloon's Great Adventure: Mystery Dungeon
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Funny thing is, I was just looking at that. I think that's the only game in the Mysterious Dungeon series I've yet to play. Well, better now than never
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

I love these games but that one you linked looks too old school for me to enjoy. Shamefully I have to admit I need some kind of graphics to keep me interested.

Besides Taloons we got a couple more on RU you might like-

Retro Uprising - Arcade - Azure Dreams
The dungeon is huge, like 130 or so floors. It has a pet system where you find eggs and choose which ones to bring with you. You can even fuse them together to make stronger pets.

Retro Uprising - Arcade - Dragon Crystal
Retro Uprising - Arcade - Dragon Crystal
Very minimal and brutal. I love it but it's not very popular with anyone else on RU. It's score enabled though.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

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I love these games but that one you linked looks too old school for me to enjoy. Shamefully I have to admit I need some kind of graphics to keep me interested.

Besides Taloons we got a couple more on RU you might like-

Retro Uprising - Arcade - Azure Dreams
The dungeon is huge, like 130 or so floors. It has a pet system where you find eggs and choose which ones to bring with you. You can even fuse them together to make stronger pets.

Retro Uprising - Arcade - Dragon Crystal
Retro Uprising - Arcade - Dragon Crystal
Very minimal and brutal. I love it but it's not very popular with anyone else on RU. It's score enabled though.
DCSS has tilesets / graphics. You probably read up on DC, which is the original ASCII based one.

Azure Dreams is amazing. I remember playing it on the PSX often as a kid.

Dragon Crystal. .



That's all I have to say about that game.

Love it, but good lord is it frustrating.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

I followed your link but I only looked at the first set of pics which were old school looking, my bad. I see the improved look now and it looks a lot more interesting.
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So now I'm really interested, downloaded. The graphics are still kinda awkward but that kind of thing is trivial if this game is as good as it sounds.


I also have fond memories of Azure Dreams on PSX. The version we have on RU is GBC so it's uglier and lacking the romance subplots. Still awesome though, very under appreciated.

Dragon Crystal is one of my favorite retro games. It's simple and challenging. You seem like someone who could give me a run for my high scores, give it a shot.

Btw have you ever heard of Dungeons of Dredmor? I got it on sale on Steam a few months ago and it's pretty cool too. It's got a quirky sense of humor and it looks a little silly but it's really hard. It's also got a rpg system where you choose skills and level them up. It's worth the few bucks it's selling for.

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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Yeah, it takes a little bit getting used to, but, once you get into the hang of things, it becomes the quickest time waster ever.

Oh, yes, definitely. I think I'll give the GBC Azure Dreams another shot once I'm finished with The 7th Saga (another underrated game. Music, graphics, gameplay, all quite amazing).

Aha. I saw your high score and thought "Ah, that doesn't seem so bad. Maybe I'll - - " and died within the first two minutes. Stupid scorpions, ridiculous. But I'll give it a shot. Definitely gonna aim for beating your high scores, DB

I've heard of it. Seen some gameplay and some screens of it, looks awesome, unfortunately, money hasn't been my strong suit lately, so I'll have to get a job and start raking in the sweet cash, lol!

Have you ever played Fatal Labyrinth, DB? It's for the Genesis, and it's a lot like Dragon Crystal, in that it's brutal, and simple. Another rogue like, of course. Neat little feature where, the further you get in the game, the more people attend your funeral should you die. I've only gotten two people to attend mine, and I've been playing that game on and off for a few years now.

Also, Spelunky is another treasure hidden among rubble.

Spelunky World

Rogue like sidescroller that draws inspiration from Spelunker, Indiana Jones, and Cave Story (graphics wise). Unlike most rogue likes, this one starts out rather easy, for the first three or four levels, and then the difficulty shoots up. Though, that might just be me talking. :P Best of all, it's free!

Sorry if I went on a little tangent there, aha. You're like the only person I know that enjoys rogue likes. I think I need to get out more.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

I just did the whole tutorial and I understand it a lot better now. I'm still a little confused about the magic system but I'm sure I'll figure it out by brute forcing my way through it. I gotta say I really liked the necromancy thing, can't wait to use that in a real dungeon. Btw no sound or music?

7Th Saga is another one of my favorites. I haven't played it in a long time though, it just takes so much effort to stick with it. It's pretty damn difficult at some points. What's his name Pison? That dude that keeps showing up with the whip, HATE.

Dragon Crystal is all about patience. For every score I put on the board I died at least 10 or more times and got frustrated. It's so luck based you can find yourself screwed at anytime because of the randomness. Starving is probably what kills me the most.

Dredmor is only 5 bucks or 7.50 for the package with the DLC. I haven't gotten far so I can't give a full report on how good it is but so far I think it's great.

I knew I was forgetting a game. I haven't play Fatal Labyrinth but I've been meaning too. Kong suggested it and now I notice he has a score in it, I'll have to get on that. A lot like DC? It looks just like it from looking at Kongs score screenshot.
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I bookmarked Spelunky. You left out Terraria in your similar games list, or at least it reminds me of it.

Don't worry about rambling on, that's what the forum is for. The only other person I know who likes these kind of games as much as me is my brother and he barely logs into RU. He's got some scores on the DC page under sumostomp but he never put in a serious effort, yet. He's better than I am so that's a good thing. Kong is also a fan but I can't speak to the severity of his fandom.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Nah. Most rogue likes don't have sound / music. I always just go to youtube / WMP / iTunes and throw on a playlist.

The bounty hunter? Yeah, that dude is ridiculous.

Really? Last few times I've played it, there's always been plenty of food for me to gather up. I've never starved as far as I can remember. o.o

Yeah, think of it like the Genesis' estranged cousin called Fatal Labyrinth. :P

By that logic, I should have put in Minecraft :P But, yeah, I suppose I did forget Terraria. There's also Miner Dig Deep for XBLA, which is 80 points, pretty fun. Similar playstyle to Terraria, just more minecraft without the building.

I should start up a social group for rogue like fans, just to see how many there are. I'll be sad if there's just me, you, Kong, and sumostomp.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

No music is fine since I usually dislike most game music anyways. Having no sound effects kinda sucks though. I like to hear attack sounds and monster sounds at least. No biggie though just making sure it was working right.

Early on there's plenty of food but later levels it starts to get noticeable. Plus you start running into sand sharks that eat some food when they attack.

Yeah I don't think the social group would be worth it. Every time I bring up games like this there's very little interest. Maybe that will change though, nothing is impossible.

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Can you explain the training thing a little? It seems like it starts with the optimal ones set for your species/class but you can alter it. Is it good to leave it as is or mess with it?

How does stealth work?

I had a really great run last night with the Minotaur(berserker I think). I was running a train on the enemies and I got to like floor 9 but then all the sudden I died with full health. Starved and didn't notice. That hurt my pride.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

For the training, it's your own personal preference IIRC. You can mess with it, if you want, to try and branch out for the abilities; or you can simply let the game do it for you.

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That does answer another question I had, where are the mountain dwarves. The in game help info lists them and shows how awesome they are but you can't pick them. When they removed them from the game they should've taken them out of the help text too. What a let down.
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Dwarves are one of the best races in any form of fantasy, in my opinion. So badass, gruff, and their wry / dry sense of humor always tickles my funny bone.

I also noticed you're a fan of Diablo, if I remember correctly, which is another rogue like. You never know how many there are in the gaming world until you check.
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Dwarves are usually my favorite too. I see they removed gnomes, that's also sad.

I guess Diablo is kinda the same. It's not as random as it could be though and you'd have to play on Hardcore to get the same effect.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

True. It's almost like a beginner rogue like, in my eyes, anyways. Still difficult, but not as brutal as the typical one.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Maybe I've been playing Diablo too long but I don't see it as difficult. It's a matter of how much time you can put into it. Compared to these roguelikes it's super easy.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Iunno. I guess it's just me, but sometimes I get so engrossed in the world that I really forget to save, and I die in the middle of a dungeon, and, bam! All my hard earned items, gone.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:36 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Are you talking about Diablo 1? In 2 and 3(I assume) when you die you don't drop your items just gold the potions you were carrying in your hotkeys.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Yep. The only one I've ever played extensively was the 1st one. I played a little bit of the 2nd one, but I forgot what stopped me. Anyways, Diablo 1 was brutal to me. Lol.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Diablo 1 was brutal. It wasn't balanced very well so when you played online people usually just came in with their mage and murdered you, taking all your stuff. That's if they didn't just straight up cheat, the anti cheat stuff was new back then. It also had friendly fire. I remember playing locally with friends and their magic would routinely slaughter me by accident. They didn't steal my stuff but running back naked wasn't fun. Great game though.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Definitely.

Have you ever played Dark Stone? It was released for the PC and PSX, and was remarkably similar to Diablo, straight down to the Red and Blue health and mana pools.

But it was soooo much fun. Hah. Maybe I'm just blinded by nostalgia, but, I played the hell out of it as a kid and loved it. Never got very far, maybe about eight or nine hours in, but still, it was fun as hell.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Nah never heard of it. I just looked it up and the first video result was something like "most awful game on PS1" or something. It looks kinda bad but if I played it then I might've enjoyed it.
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Lol, oh lord. Most people just pass it over as a Diablo clone without giving it a try, and that's kinda sad, considering I actually like it just a teensy bit more than Diablo.
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:13 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I dunno. From looking at it for a few mins I gotta give it to Diablo.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

Don't hold it against you DB. Diablo is far superior than DS, but I dunno.. something about it just gives it that classic charm. Again, maybe I'm just blinded by nostalgia DB. I'm getting old :P
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