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Old 03-13-2010, 04:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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15 Most Controversial Video Games

-Modern Warfare 2
-RapeLay
-Resident Evil 5
-Postal
-Bully
-Little Big Planet
-Left Behind: Eternal Forces
-Ethnic Cleansing
-Doom
-Mortal Kombat
-Six Days in Falluja
-Mass Effect
-Custer’s Revenge
-GTA San Andreas
-Dante’s Inferno



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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

All those soccer moms complain and complain and complain about some stupid violence, like in GTA I ain't really gonna go out and shoot a cop irl. I'll do it in GTA though. Damn soccer moms
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

I would add Nighttrap to that list.
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

And remove little big planet.
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

-RapeLay - Obviously deserves to be on the list
-Resident Evil 5 - It is on the list because the zombies are black. It takes place in Africa, what color should they be?
-Bully - oh my you can kiss a boy! and you are a boy!!! but that would mean it is gay! oh no, better ban this game right away.
-Little Big Planet - come on, it had a song that quoted two lines from the Qur'an. What is wrong with that? Even if there is some cultural thing I am missing and this is some big taboo that I am unaware of there is no way this could be one of the 15 most controversial games.
-Left Behind: Eternal Forces - yep
-Ethnic Cleansing - for a game to be controversial I think someone needs to have heard of it before. Is this game popular or famous at all? How many copies were sold?
-Doom - overhyped
-Mortal Kombat - overhyped
-Custer’s Revenge - You rape Indians. That is all you do. Controversial means there are two sides. Is there a group of people defending this game?
-Dante’s Inferno - That was stupid of them. What happened with this? How far did it go? Doesn't have much to do with the game though. Just with their advertisement. I don't think the ad should get the game on this list.

I think we could make a better list.
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

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-Little Big Planet - come on, it had a song that quoted two lines from the Qur'an. What is wrong with that? Even if there is some cultural thing I am missing and this is some big taboo that I am unaware of there is no way this could be one of the 15 most controversial games.
Kong, what were the lines, I never really played LBP
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

The song is in Somali. Translated it is
"Every soul shall have the taste of death."
"All that is on earth will perish."
I think the rest of the song has nothing to do with Islam. Not positive.
This is the song
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKT-07MKblc]YouTube - Little Big Planet - The Reason it got Delayed[/ame]
The song was removed before the game was released because some Muslims find it offensive to use lines from the Qur'an as lyrics in songs. I've never heard of this before and I don't know how serious they take it or what % of them think this way but people really need to stop caring what other people do with or think about their religion. You shouldn't be able to say, I find this song offensive, remove it. In news recently was the attempted assassination of a guy that drew a picture of Mohamed. Life isn't that serious, lighten up.

This game shouldn't be controversial. One background song had two slightly offensive lyrics to one group of people that was probably small. The song was removed before the game was released. Where is the controversy. Not really on the same level as rape and genocide.
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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

-rapelay, isnt a game, its interactive pornography
-bully is on there because the game is about making nerds lives miserable
I agree with most of your points kong.
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The song was removed before the game was released because some Muslims find it offensive to use lines from the Qur'an as lyrics in songs. I've never heard of this before and I don't know how serious they take it or what % of them think this way but people really need to stop caring what other people do with or think about their religion. You shouldn't be able to say, I find this song offensive, remove it. In news recently was the attempted assassination of a guy that drew a picture of Mohamed. Life isn't that serious, lighten up.
I have to disagree. I have many Muslim friends, my best friend is a Muslim. Islam as a whole does not like using scriptures as anything other then scriptures. Same goes for drawing Mohamed, anyone remember Southpark a couple years back??

If I told someone not to talk about my mother, and they totally disrespect and do it anyways, dont you think I have the right to be mad? Normally that person would get smacked up. Why is this not the same? A billion + Muslims have no say about what is being used? Scrpitures being used as anything other then that, and the drawing of Mohamed is nothing new. I remember back to about 7 years old when I learned that. Personally I think that guy is about as ignorant and disrepesctful as some white guy going into a chinese restaurant using his fingers to make his eyes slanted. I mean people should be able to do whatever they want, but if some guy gets shot for doing something he knows others really dislike, well then thats his fault. Its like someone wearing all blue going into an area with all bloods, they should be able to walk right on by, and say something like lighten up...but we all know what would happen.

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@Wearing blue in bloods hood. Yes we know what would happen, that doesn't make it right though.

I don't think one group of people should be able to tell another group of people how to behave. If you don't want to hear your scripture sung then fine, don't listen to it. But you can't tell someone else that they have to want the same thing.
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True, that's the whole point of differnt beliefs, should we also cover up our women head to toe? No, because that's someone else's ideal.
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@Wearing blue in bloods hood. Yes we know what would happen, that doesn't make it right though.
Right for whom? In the mind of the bloods its seems right. Thats their belief"
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I don't think one group of people should be able to tell another group of people how to behave. If you don't want to hear your scripture sung then fine, don't listen to it. But you can't tell someone else that they have to want the same thing.
I agree one group should not be able to tell another group anything, BUT I also feel people should respect others beliefs to a point. Like my last example if I asked people not to talk about my mother, and they go and do it anyways...well people will probably get hurt. IMO its a matter of respect. I mean sure go ahead and draw Mohamed, and write songs with Quaran verses, I am not Muslim, but I do respect their beliefs. So when some guy makes a drawing and happens to get shot, well thats his own dumb fault. I have no sympathy. Its a form of prejudice, and honestly I am glad people who do that get hurt. I am not trying to pull out any bible verses but I think this one works regardless of the religious background of it....Treat others how you would like to be treated....dont disrespect others and you wont be disrespected.
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I best answer lies in the middle of the 2 sides, people should not go out of their way to offend anyone by purposfully exploiting any part of their culture, on the other hand a certain culture should not expect anyone who follows a different set of rules to also follow their own.
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-Modern Warfare 2- I think they really didn't need to add a level where you can blow away civilians at an airport. They claim it was meant to showcase the horror of terrorism or w/e but I bet it was more about media attention.

-RapeLay- This should be illegal imo.

-Postal- Why does one murder sim get heat and not another? If they don't list Manhunt then they automatically fail. Manhunt was literally graphic murder the whole time. Postal is tongue in cheek, imo.

.-Left Behind: Eternal Forces- Hateful, ignorant game but it's not anywhere as bad as Ethnic Cleansing.

-Ethnic Cleansing- I think this is illegal.

-Mass Effect- This is a great example of how some groups jump all over a hot topic without any knowledge of it. If you read the linked article it says how some talking heads started flipping out about the supposed graphic sex and disrespect towards women. Turns out the game is nothing like that at all and most retracted their statements. Mass Effect treats the sex like a P-13 movie, just look at the picture in the article.

-Dante’s Inferno- The situation in the linked article is wrong but otherwise there's nothing wrong with this game.

@Dojah- Where do we draw the line? Many people in the muslim world were outraged over a drawing of mohamed but they don't have a problem with stomping on burning american flags and burning effigies of our leaders and other symbolic things. I am personally sick of this whole childish thing muslims are doing. They are mostly blind and deaf to their own people being ignorant, hateful hypocrites and they react with outrage over an editorial cartoon? This wasn't just limited to fanatics or radicals it was very widespread and many people were calling for blood. Sorry I have no sympathy.

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Right for whom? In the mind of the bloods its seems right. Thats their belief"".
Bloods may think they have the right to shoot some people. There is a difference in thinking you are right and being right.

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Nope. This is a dictatorship. As Tenser says, this is like my house and you are all invited guests. I am talking about the world, not your house. If someone came over to your house and started making mama jokes and you told them to stop and they did not then you are fully in your right to kick them out. You might even be in your right to beat them up.

If you are watching a movie and someone is making mama jokes and you don't like it then you are fully in your right to turn it off not to tell the director to rewrite the movie.

See the difference. You can tell people how to act in your house. You can't tell them how to act everywhere in the world.

The thing we are debating is whether one group should be allowed to tell another group what music they include in a video game. I stick by my opinion that they should not.

However if the debate was should someone be able to decide what music is played in their own house then yes, they should.

Many Muslims think all women should wear burqas and completely cover their bodies in public. Should everyone do that even when it is not their own personal belief? No, you control yourself, that is it.

Many people think no one should be allowed to burn a flag. Should we make that a law? Should we condone it if someone wants to take the law into their own hand and kill someone that burns a flag?

I don't think people should intentionally try to piss people for the sole purpose of just offending them. But people need to get some thicker skin. Decide what you want in your life and stick with that. Don't worry about what other people are doing. If you don't want to listen to the song then don't. But don't tell someone else what they can listen to and don't get upset if they disagree. You can't control everyone and you have to accept that.

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I totally disagree. It is wrong to shot people because they drew something you didn't want them to draw no matter what it is. The fault lays with the person that did not realize that.

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That goes both ways. You think the people doing the shooting want to be shot next time they step on someone's beliefs. I want people to be allowed to draw anything they want. They want to shoot people that do that. Should I treat them the same and shoot them? When does it stop.

Treating people the way you want to be treated boils down to you live your life and I'll live mine. If you don't like my life then look the other way, don't shoot me.

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Not true. And a better solution is don't be so easily disrespected or don't care so much when you are.

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I think it is important to point out we are talking about the vocal minority. Not mainstream Muslims.

Dojah you started out saying your best friend is Muslim. I would be interested to hear if he thinks people should be shot for drawing Muhammad or if a video game should be changed because it contained two sung religious verses.

I'm not 100% positive but I don't think theses are the types of things the average Muslim cares that much about. I think we are letting the vocal few speak for the quiet many.
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@Dojah- Where do we draw the line? Many people in the muslim world were outraged over a drawing of mohamed but they don't have a problem with stomping on burning american flags and burning effigies of our leaders and other symbolic things. I am personally sick of this whole childish thing muslims are doing. They are mostly blind and deaf to their own people being ignorant, hateful hypocrites and they react with outrage over an editorial cartoon? This wasn't just limited to fanatics or radicals it was very widespread and many people were calling for blood. Sorry I have no sympathy.
Do you even know why the muslim world does these things Do you honestly believe they do it just to do it? You can call them childish all you want, but it also seems childish to call the islam world ignorant over protecting thier land. No offence but it seems you have no clue of why they they do those actions, but you can speak on it as if they are wrong. You do know Americans burn the American flag quite often right. Its ok for us to do it but not them? If muslims drew Mohamed, or used verses of the Quaran to write songs, then told us not to I would have a completely different look on this.

The line I would think is respect. If muslims burn flags, and they got shot, then its their fault. See how that works. I am not saying we have to abide by everyones beliefs, but respect them. I dont think that is to much to ask, for anyone. There is alof ot childish muslims, but there is alot of childish chistians, budhists, atheists, etc... also.

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Bloods may think they have the right to shoot some people. There is a difference in thinking you are right and being right.
Says who? Truth is sujective. right/wrong, and good/bad are different things. Your truths are not my truths. So how can one tell another how to live or believe, or what his actions should consist of? Seems it works for some situations but does not work for others.

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Nope. This is a dictatorship. As Tenser says, this is like my house and you are all invited guests. I am talking about the world, not your house. If someone came over to your house and started making mama jokes and you told them to stop and they did not then you are fully in your right to kick them out. You might even be in your right to beat them up.
I was talking about the bloods belief, and how others should not be able to tell them how to think, this was your words.


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If you are watching a movie and someone is making mama jokes and you don't like it then you are fully in your right to turn it off not to tell the director to rewrite the movie.
Ok but if that guy gets shot then why care? He made his decision. Just like if a muslim who burns a flag gets shot, why care, he also made his decision. If neither disrespected the others belief it probably would be alot better


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See the difference. You can tell people how to act in your house. You can't tell them how to act everywhere in the world.
Not really, I mean it sounds good but thats not how the world has ever been or ever will be. So it seems the most logical thing to do is have respect. I mean those muslims who burn flags do it publicly for a point.

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The thing we are debating is whether one group should be allowed to tell another group what music they include in a video game. I stick by my opinion that they should not.
I am not saying these people should not have the right...they have all the right in the world to do what ever they want. But I also think the other person has the right to do whatever they want as well. You cant tell others how to feel, how is that any better? So you are saying one group should not be able to tell another group what they can listen to, but you CAN tell one group how to react to that other group? How does that make any sence?

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However if the debate was should someone be able to decide what music is played in their own house then yes, they should.
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Many Muslims think all women should wear burqas and completely cover their bodies in public. Should everyone do that even when it is not their own personal belief? No, you control yourself, that is it.
Exactly, so respect their beliefs, and let them do what they do. But would it be smart to put up naked posters everywhere in thier land? NO, not only is that disrespectful but its ignorant. To personally feel my feeling are better than anyone elses, or my rights etc...So if I did such things I would expect to get shot. Not cry about it after the facts, and blaim it on others. I control myself, and make my own decisions.

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Many people think no one should be allowed to burn a flag. Should we make that a law? Should we condone it if someone wants to take the law into their own hand and kill someone that burns a flag?
Well lets see. If there were 2 guys and one wanted to burn a flag, the other said no dont do that around me, its my belief and my personal feeling to praise the flag, its my religion. But the other guy goes ahead and does it anyways, I wouldnt condone it but I would understand it if that guy gets killed. Also I dont think anyone was taking the laws into their own hands.

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I don't think people should intentionally try to piss people for the sole purpose of just offending them. But people need to get some thicker skin. Decide what you want in your life and stick with that. Don't worry about what other people are doing. If you don't want to listen to the song then don't. But don't tell someone else what they can listen to and don't get upset if they disagree. You can't control everyone and you have to accept that.
I agree excpet making the quaran into song verses. This goes into the slot of intentionaly trying to piss people off IMO. Its like a white rapper using the N word, yeah get some thicker skin and blow it off. Dont worry about it, if you dont want to listen then dont. Do you honestly believe this would fly? Come on now.

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I totally disagree. It is wrong to shot people because they drew something you didn't want them to draw no matter what it is. The fault lays with the person that did not realize that.
Well thats your opinion. But again what you think is right is not what others think is right. I can promise you if you were born in the mid-east you would have a different opinion on this. How can you tell someone else how they feel is wrong? I mean its ok to say the guy who shoots someone is worng but not the person who eggs it on?
1. Its ok to feel how ever you want, draw disrespectful drawings purposly to piss people off. This is ok.
2. Its NOT ok to react to this though. This is wrong. This does not make sence to me. Unless we are going for a one sided discussion, then it makes perfect sence.

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That goes both ways. You think the people doing the shooting want to be shot next time they step on someone's beliefs. I want people to be allowed to draw anything they want. They want to shoot people that do that. Should I treat them the same and shoot them? When does it stop.
[quote=Kong;113166]Well it starts and stops with respect. Growing up in the ghetto I learned these things pretty quick. I grew up around tons of different races, religions, gangs, etc...and this is all probably because of my upbringing, but you learn to respect others beliefs/thoughts even if their not your own. You dont go and follow what they are doing but you simply do not purposly disrespect their belief/feelings etc...or you WILL get jumped or worse. Code of the streets, squash your beef.

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Treating people the way you want to be treated boils down to you live your life and I'll live mine. If you don't like my life then look the other way, don't shoot me.
I totally agree, but the world has never, and will never be this way. Its a fairytale life IMO, and since that will never happen start with something small, like respect. Maybe that little thing will go along way and turn out for the better.


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Not true. And a better solution is don't be so easily disrespected or don't care so much when you are.
Yeah but again this has never ben the way of the world, so it wont work.

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I think it is important to point out we are talking about the vocal minority. Not mainstream Muslims.
Depends.

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Dojah you started out saying your best friend is Muslim. I would be interested to hear if he thinks people should be shot for drawing Muhammad or if a video game should be changed because it contained two sung religious verses.
We talked about the drawing before, but never the verses. I will ask him. But about the drawing, he does not feel they should get killed, but he does understand the reasoning behind it.

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I'm not 100% positive but I don't think theses are the types of things the average Muslim cares that much about. I think we are letting the vocal few speak for the quiet many.
I think it is. The majority of muslims follow thier book alot more than christians follow thiers. When I was younger I remember My friends dad showed me how to read the Quaran...meaning when you read the book you must have the book above your waist. I bet if there were some muslims on the site there would be a better debate/discussion.

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If muslims burn flags, and they got shot, then its their fault.
No because Life > Flag.

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If people did not so easily allow other people disrespect them then it would be better. If you don't want to burn the flag then don't. If you don't want to see people burn the flag then don't watch. You are not going to stop flag burning by getting upset. It is better to care about what you can control than to obsess about what others are doing and it is wrong to tell other people what they can and can't do.


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So it seems the most logical thing to do is have respect.
What about the respect to allow other people to live their lives however they want. We are talking about a video game that is played in your own home. You should have the right to choose what you play. Not what other people play. These people are not going into Muslim homes and forcing them to play the game.

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I really do not think the person that wrote the song or the group that made the game ever had the intention of pissing anyone off.


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start with something small, like respect.
I agree except I think people should respect people's freedom to express themselves. I think respect means you will let me use any words I want, draw any picture I want, listen to any song I want. To me, that is respect. Respect is not expecting or demanding others change for you.

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I bet if there were some muslims on the site there would be a better debate/discussion.
As far as I know there are none in the forums. For the record I have never had a Muslim friend. Just point out that I would not be familiar with customs and what not. But I think for argument sake we can replace everything with flag burning. Same idea and is something that Americans can easily understand.
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No because Life > Flag.
For you though. There are millions of people who will die for their belief, and their country. It was a bad example though.

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If people did not so easily allow other people disrespect them then it would be better. If you don't want to burn the flag then don't. If you don't want to see people burn the flag then don't watch. You are not going to stop flag burning by getting upset. It is better to care about what you can control than to obsess about what others are doing and it is wrong to tell other people what they can and can't do.
I agree to a small point. But this all goes back to the reasoning behind it right? Why are they burning flags? Maybe if something happened there would be no need to burn the flag right? I mean do you think blacks should have just turned away when crosses were being lit up? Nope, kill that disresptful jerk, and stand up for yourself.


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What about the respect to allow other people to live their lives however they want. We are talking about a video game that is played in your own home. You should have the right to choose what you play. Not what other people play. These people are not going into Muslim homes and forcing them to play the game.
So respect others if they are purposly disrespecting you? This does not work for any animal on earth I can think of. When should you stand up for yourself then?
I agree with you man, but people now days really dont care what others think, and I think thats a huge problem.

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I really do not think the person that wrote the song or the group that made the game ever had the intention of pissing anyone off.
I do. Unless ignorance is the case. If its ignorance, then were told and changed it after they learned about it then good for them. Now if there are jerks they will do it again, but I doubt these people are that disrespectful. I applaud them.


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I agree except I think people should respect people's freedom to express themselves. I think respect means you will let me use any words I want, draw any picture I want, listen to any song I want. To me, that is respect. Respect is not expecting or demanding others change for you.
It sounds like you described how people should respect you, and not respect.
If that person needs to express himself through mocking someones belief then something is wrong there, and to me it seems to be the person expressing themselves. How is that right by anymeans? Should we respect the KKK?

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As far as I know there are none in the forums. For the record I have never had a Muslim friend. Just point out that I would not be familiar with customs and what not. But I think for argument sake we can replace everything with flag burning. Same idea and is something that Americans can easily understand.
Times 10 or 100. I am not muslim but based off my experience this is far more important then a flag. Nations come together to fight to the death over this book. Not a flag.

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-Modern Warfare 2- I think they really didn't need to add a level where you can blow away civilians at an airport. They claim it was meant to showcase the horror of terrorism or w/e but I bet it was more about media attention.
So the only side of a war depicted, should be the American side?
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Has anyone ever played the Columbine Massacre RPG? It was pretty messed up. And I remember the game where you assassinate JFK. I wouldn't even mention these games since they are both homebrew PC games, but so is some of their list.

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Quotes from the TMT's Fox news clip. "Let's look at the statistics. Whose playing games? Adolesent males, not their dads." "All the research shows that violence has a desensitizing effect. Sex does too." "Research says that boys that play games can't tell the difference between what they see in a game and real life." Fox news sucks!

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I mean do you think blacks should have just turned away when crosses were being lit up?
The crosses were being burnt on their front lawns and were a form of terrorism and a sign that they probably would be lynched soon. That is completely different than me burning a flag in my back yard.


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I am saying don't allow others to disrespect you by not caring what others do. The only person you can change is yourself.

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I do. Unless ignorance is the case. If its ignorance, then were told and changed it after they learned about it then good for them. Now if there are jerks they will do it again, but I doubt these people are that disrespectful. I applaud them.
The song existed before the game. Someone played a pre-release version of the game and made the complaint. Then Sony destroyed the existing copies of the game and made new copies without the song. This delayed the release of the game and cost money. That extra expense will be passed on to consumers. I assume they did some quick math and decided that this was the cheapest option and if they left the song in they would some how lose money through bad PR or lost sales to Muslims.

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If the KKK wants to sit in their back yard and talk about how much they hate people then you don't need to respect them but you also don't need to care. Just ignore it. If the KKK wants to take it a step farther and do something to someone else then we should try to stop them.

@ Modern Warfare. The game is called Modern Warfare and modern war involves killing civilians in crowded areas. I don't see how this is any different from any other game that glorifies war. I think it is bad for kids to play but no worse than COD.
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How did Manhunt and BMX XXX not get mentioned? Weren't they banned in many countries?

As to the other issue, I respect freedom of speech, but I also believe we should respect other cultures and beliefs. However, that doesn't mean that I have to alter my life because of someone else's belief system.

This is one of the reason's why separation of church and state is so important. There should be laws that supercede religion (any religion), and protect the individual's human rights (above religion).

Dojah, if someone has the right to kill anyone because they don't agree with their views, where does it end? Does everyone in the world have to adhere to the beliefs of that one group just so they won't be killed? How is that right?

Based on that line of thinking, I guess it was okay that certain Muslims killed Theo Van Gogh for making an anti-Islam film. I guess it was also okay for the Christians who engaged in the Crusades and killed Muslims because those Muslims didn't agree with the Christian tenets. Further I guess it's okay when a Christian blows an abortion doctor away because the abortion doctor disrespected the Christian by performing abortions that the Christian didn't support.

When someone gets a death threat because they drew Mohammed in a cartoon, something is wrong. It has been popular to make fun of Jesus and Christian iconography for years, but for the most part, the majority of Christians today don't seem to kill people when this happens. There was a time in the past when that wasn't the case, but the religion has moved past some of the previous barbarism it once ascribed to.

I have had some good friends who are Muslims as well, but maybe they were not as devout because they didn't think killing people over different beliefs was cool. I have had a couple of Buddhist friends too, and I have never heard them say anything about that either.

I think freedom of speech is cool, and people should be able to believe what they want as long as it doesn't hurt/harm/kill someone else. When it starts to, it is no longer cool.
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Dojah, if someone has the right to kill anyone because they don't agree with their views, where does it end? Does everyone in the world have to adhere to the beliefs of that one group just so they won't be killed? How is that right?
I am not saying they have the right to kill because of different views. Even though all humans do have that right, or option I guess. I am saying I totally understand if someone gets hurt if those views are mocked publicly. Like I said earlier I dont believe people have to abide by anyones beliefs, but to simply respect them by not publicly mocking them.

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Based on that line of thinking, I guess it was okay that certain Muslims killed Theo Van Gogh for making an anti-Islam film. I guess it was also okay for the Christians who engaged in the Crusades and killed Muslims because those Muslims didn't agree with the Christian tenets. Further I guess it's okay when a Christian blows an abortion doctor away because the abortion doctor disrespected the Christian by performing abortions that the Christian didn't support.
Well everyone has different truths, and one persons truths does not void anothers. I think you are taking my stance as respect others beliefs, as bow down and follow their beliefs, which is not the case. As for Theo, he said alot of things that would get people killed. It just happened some radical terrorists done it. He was a racist, a sexist who said many things. To actually refer to Mulims as people who have sex with goats(in worse words)!! Is that Okay?? I think not, or if that is ok with everyone then why cry after the case? Seems stupid to me. It seems no different than a white rapper using the N word to express himself. How is that cool with people?

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When someone gets a death threat because they drew Mohammed in a cartoon, something is wrong. It has been popular to make fun of Jesus and Christian iconography for years, but for the most part, the majority of Christians today don't seem to kill people when this happens. There was a time in the past when that wasn't the case, but the religion has moved past some of the previous barbarism it once ascribed to.
Why is this person drawing Mohamed? What would make one do this? Because they are bored? It seems they are purposly trying to piss someone off. What I am getting at is if everyone shows a little bit of respect towards others things like this would probably not happen. Why push someones buttons purposly to feel like you expressed yourself? If I started to draw black people being lynched, yes thats my right, but whats the reasoning behind it? Does nobody see a problem there? In order to fix a problem I would think you should start at the origin, or nothing will ever get fixed.

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I have had some good friends who are Muslims as well, but maybe they were not as devout because they didn't think killing people over different beliefs was cool. I have had a couple of Buddhist friends too, and I have never heard them say anything about that either.
My Muslim friends never thought it was ok or cool that people got killed, but they understand the reasoning behind it.

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I think freedom of speech is cool, and people should be able to believe what they want as long as it doesn't hurt/harm/kill someone else. When it starts to, it is no longer cool.
Who determines when someone gets hurt/harmed? Are we only talking physical harm? Financial harm? Geographical harm?(being forced to move due to this)?
I mean it might be cool to let a bunch of KKK members to spout their beliefs, but when something happens, guess what...its to late, and people die.

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Re: 15 Most Controversial Video Games

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Originally Posted by Dojah View Post
if those views are mocked publicly.
They were not mocking anyone. It was an innocent mistake. The song was in Swahili. They probably didn't know what the lyrics meant but if they did then they probably didn't know they were from the Qur'an. If they did then they probably didn't know that was taboo. They weren't trying to hurt anyone and the fact that such an innocent mistake is capable of offending is sad IMO.

"Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me." Yes, not always 100% true. Sometimes words really do hurt. But you can't go through life caring about what everyone else says and thinks. Anyways, I have said all I have to say on the subject. Anything else would just be repeating. Agree to disagree is all we can do.
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