Retro Uprising
Retro Uprising Support Questions and answers about Retro Uprising.
Donation Goal
Goal amount: 5000 USD, Received: 489 USD (10%)
Donate Now
When we reach the current donation goal all software on Retro Uprising will be replaced with a new superior method for playing games online that will support all browsers, play many more games and consoles and fix errors in existing games. This will be a massive site upgrade. The largest in our history. Please help us reach our goal as soon as possible.

Retro Uprising relies on donations from users like you! List of Donors

Register to enable more features such as high score recording.


Go Back   Retro Uprising > Support > Retro Uprising Support

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-24-2015, 12:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
krehztim's Avatar
King of the Mod Squad
Donor
Game Mod
Administrator
630 posts
krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 22
Points: 6,994, Level: 22 Points: 6,994, Level: 22 Points: 6,994, Level: 22
Level up: 68%
Level up: 68%, 256 Points needed Level up: 68% Level up: 68%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Clearing games

My apologies - I've read a couple of pages on the rules, but I want to know how to make this easiest for the mods. I cleared the 1st loop of Donkey Kong and Junior, and Scramble, coin-op last night, submitted the scores, and posted in the Game Masters forum. Doesn't look like they've been counted as Cleared games. Should I also be posting a screenshot? Or, adding a comment to my submitted score while it's in the queue? Or, is that loop not counting as an official clear? Any info appreciated. Thanks!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2015, 08:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
TodayIsForgotten's Avatar
Regular Poster
2,067 posts
TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!TodayIsForgotten has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 24
Points: 8,460, Level: 24 Points: 8,460, Level: 24 Points: 8,460, Level: 24
Level up: 52%
Level up: 52%, 390 Points needed Level up: 52% Level up: 52%
Activity: 99%
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

I personally always thought the way this site handles and doesn't handle clearing of games, as whack. The reviewer watched your game and can easily determine if you cleared the game. Some revewiers will add the clear and others will not - if a game is cleared.

Oh, well tif, you're a baby or whatever whitty comment may come about. Ok.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote


2015 Yolympics Champs - Team Penis
Old 02-24-2015, 08:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Baby.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-24-2015, 08:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
Wolf's Avatar
Kuma Shock
2,238 posts
Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 46
Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46
Level up: 12%
Level up: 12%, 1,327 Points needed Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

don't worry tif you will always be my baby lol
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2015, 08:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
Tails's Avatar
Forum lurker
15,648 posts
Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Tails has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 103,897, Level: 62 Points: 103,897, Level: 62 Points: 103,897, Level: 62
Level up: 67%
Level up: 67%, 6,853 Points needed Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by TodayIsForgotten View Post
I personally always thought the way this site handles and doesn't handle clearing of games, as whack. The reviewer watched your game and can easily determine if you cleared the game. Some revewiers will add the clear and others will not - if a game is cleared.

Oh, well tif, you're a baby or whatever whitty comment may come about. Ok.
Personally I think it comes down to high scores if it's not told. I know when I modded if there wasn't a comment of a said flipped score or some sorta mastery notification I would just jot the score in if it wasn't a record breaking one. If it was something I knew was a mastery I'd verify it.

I think a solution for this is if there was a special button like I dunno for that.you can hit and it will alert the mods that it is a mastery submission and to watch it. Not sure if kong is interested in this idea put it would save headaches.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote


Old 02-24-2015, 08:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
Wolf's Avatar
Kuma Shock
2,238 posts
Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 46
Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46
Level up: 12%
Level up: 12%, 1,327 Points needed Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

marked them as clears
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2015, 09:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Solution is to remove Clears and got to a The Backloggery honor system.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2015, 02:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
QAOP Spaceman's Avatar
Donor
Game Mod
577 posts
QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!QAOP Spaceman has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 32
Points: 16,051, Level: 32 Points: 16,051, Level: 32 Points: 16,051, Level: 32
Level up: 55%
Level up: 55%, 499 Points needed Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 16%
Activity: 16% Activity: 16% Activity: 16%
 

+1 (+1/-0)     
Re: Clearing games

For me part of the problem is the absurdity of what we consider a 'clear'.

You reached the end of Level 1 in Donkey Kong. That's a clear?!?!?!

By the end of level 1 you've played one barrel screen and one rivet screen. No pies or elevators. And there are 22 levels before the game is done.

A clear? It's just madness.



Comments
  
  Thank you!
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2015, 04:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
stevencassidy13's Avatar
Regular Poster
11,092 posts
stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 60
Points: 66,551, Level: 60 Points: 66,551, Level: 60 Points: 66,551, Level: 60
Level up: 62%
Level up: 62%, 3,899 Points needed Level up: 62% Level up: 62%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by QAOP Spaceman View Post
For me part of the problem is the absurdity of what we consider a 'clear'.

You reached the end of Level 1 in Donkey Kong. That's a clear?!?!?!

By the end of level 1 you've played one barrel screen and one rivet screen. No pies or elevators. And there are 22 levels before the game is done.

A clear? It's just madness.

I fought tooth and nail to get that DK clear changed due to it's absurdity back when it was first being discussed, still makes me roll my eyes whenever I see it.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
kong on Bronies:

"Of the 75% that are straight I would bet at least 10% would rather have a cheeseburger than a girlfriend."
Old 02-25-2015, 08:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Honestly, does it even matter? Its not like you're competing against other people on the high score boards. It would also save our staff a lot of time and user frustration. Clears tend to be the longer videos and always require a mod to watch the video which loads up in the same queue as the high scores do. They also run on a different set of rules which can cause confusion among both staff and the user base.

My initial concept of design was to install a Backloggery-like system until the original discussion was morphed into the hot steaming pile that it currently is.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2015, 11:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
Dudebro's Avatar
MY TITLE IS RED!
26,061 posts
Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62
Level up: 80%
Level up: 80%, 4,142 Points needed Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

I think the current system is fine. The problem is some games don't fit well with the idea of mastering or clearing them. I remember modding scores on Urban Champion only to find out that I was missing that they were supposedly masteries or clears. I forget the details now but I recall thinking it was incredibly easy and made it seem cheap.

I think we should remove "easy" games from the masteries list. If it's not a challenge then why are we recognizing the accomplishment? I know it's not a competition but having all these incredibly weak clears seems lame and in some way it makes me feel like it devalues the harder ones. Go ahead and remove my NBA Jam clears I don't want them anymore!
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 12:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
krehztim's Avatar
King of the Mod Squad
Donor
Game Mod
Administrator
630 posts
krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!krehztim has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 22
Points: 6,994, Level: 22 Points: 6,994, Level: 22 Points: 6,994, Level: 22
Level up: 68%
Level up: 68%, 256 Points needed Level up: 68% Level up: 68%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

I just started working on "clears" for something else to do. I think finishing the rivets on DK counting as a clear is crazy. I also didn't stop to think about the extra work for the mods. I think I'll skip clears unless they're really a challenge. Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 01:30 PM   #13 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
I think the current system is fine. The problem is some games don't fit well with the idea of mastering or clearing them. I remember modding scores on Urban Champion only to find out that I was missing that they were supposedly masteries or clears. I forget the details now but I recall thinking it was incredibly easy and made it seem cheap.

I think we should remove "easy" games from the masteries list. If it's not a challenge then why are we recognizing the accomplishment? I know it's not a competition but having all these incredibly weak clears seems lame and in some way it makes me feel like it devalues the harder ones. Go ahead and remove my NBA Jam clears I don't want them anymore!
That's the crux of the entire issue. We've continually over complicated and obfuscated what could and should be a simple and elegant addition to the community. Not to mention any names but there's a certain person on staff that can over rule me that just loves to over complicate everything he does.

No one in their right mind wants to go through the thousands of games on the site to determine if a game is "easy to clear." Nor does anyone want to be the final word on which games are eligible for cleared status and which aren't. Nor do I think we should engage in this discussion every time someone clears a new game, or are you volunteering?

Not only does the current situation favor all of the numbnuts who played Shaq Fu just to get an easy clear, it doesn't allow you to clear game that have a password feature. Only a complete fucking mental case would clear Willow on the NES. The current system sucks balls in my opinion. I've always felt this way since we started it but I've always stepped aside as I was in the vocal minority and "fuck it, I'm not the one who has to do the work."
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2015, 03:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
Dudebro's Avatar
MY TITLE IS RED!
26,061 posts
Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62
Level up: 80%
Level up: 80%, 4,142 Points needed Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

How would you simplify it?

I'm not volunteering for it I just thought we were discussing the issue so we can brainstorm a solution. I assume the best method would be to just deal with it case by case. Why not engage in a discussion like this for a newly cleared game? We could use more retro gaming discussion around here, right?

You seem to be swearing a lot in regards to this. Are you still upset that you can't master Willow? Let it go bro it's not that great a game
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 05:06 PM   #15 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
How would you simplify it?
It's like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
I assume the best method would be to just deal with it case by case. Why not engage in a discussion like this for a newly cleared game? We could use more retro gaming discussion around here, right?
Most people wont engage in this general discussion, let alone a single obscure game. How many people here are going to give a shit about the clear status of Last Action Hero? It also completely over complicates the matter. It adds different rules for different games which can lead to mistakes by staff or confusion for the users.

So no, in my opinion, its not the best method.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
Are you still upset that you can't master Willow? Let it go bro it's not that great a game
Oh friend, I've traveled that path into that specific armpit of hell. I've cleared that shit in one sitting, on this site. And I can say, without a doubt; fuck Willow.

But seriously, Willow's a great fucking game.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2015, 05:18 PM   #16 (permalink)
Wolf's Avatar
Kuma Shock
2,238 posts
Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Wolf has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 46
Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46 Points: 35,623, Level: 46
Level up: 12%
Level up: 12%, 1,327 Points needed Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

backloggery or riot keep it simple and sweet
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 10:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
Dudebro's Avatar
MY TITLE IS RED!
26,061 posts
Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62
Level up: 80%
Level up: 80%, 4,142 Points needed Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
It's like I'm talking to a brick wall.
You mean the backlog/honor system? I guess that could be ok I just dislike honor systems because I know lots of people don't have honor when no ones watching them. Not that it would really matter but still, it rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

Quote:
So no, in my opinion, its not the best method.
Ok but would it hurt to discuss it in the meantime? I don't see the whole system changing overnight but who knows.

Quote:
But seriously, Willow's a great fucking game.
Yeah but you also love E.T. so we know you have a tender spot in your heart for cripples, bastards and broken things.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 10:29 PM   #18 (permalink)
Barra's Avatar
IGBYgate 2014
2,045 posts
Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Barra has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 38
Points: 23,944, Level: 38 Points: 23,944, Level: 38 Points: 23,944, Level: 38
Level up: 70%
Level up: 70%, 706 Points needed Level up: 70% Level up: 70%
Activity: 63%
Activity: 63% Activity: 63% Activity: 63%
 

+2 (+2/-0)     
Re: Clearing games

A clear is if you finish the game. If you don't you don't get a clear. If the game does not end, there shouldn't be any clears awarded.

Comments
  
  This
  
  Yes
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2015, 10:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
You mean the backlog/honor system? I guess that could be ok I just dislike honor systems because I know lots of people don't have honor when no ones watching them. Not that it would really matter but still, it rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
It would be a whole different story if it was competitive or the user got something for it. Instead of thinking of Clears as an accolade or accomplishment maybe its better to frame the system as a way for the user to keep track of what games they've finished what they set out to do and which ones they haven't. A tool for the user instead of an e-penis contest.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
Ok but would it hurt to discuss it in the meantime? I don't see the whole system changing overnight but who knows.
It never hurts to discuss something. That doesn't mean it will accomplish anything or that our opinions are even relevant in the matter. Neither of us are the ones that have to put in the effort to review submissions. Neither of us are really blowing up the Cleared Games thread, either.

I'm just stating what should be plainly obvious. The current system is not designed for ease-of-use for either the moderator nor the player.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudebro View Post
Yeah but you also love E.T. so we know you have a tender spot in your heart for cripples, bastards and broken things.
Hence why I like you.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-26-2015, 11:11 AM   #20 (permalink)
Dudebro's Avatar
MY TITLE IS RED!
26,061 posts
Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62
Level up: 80%
Level up: 80%, 4,142 Points needed Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
A tool for the user instead of an e-penis contest.
But for some people it would just be an easier way to flex their e-peen. I think we know a few people who would make up false clears if we went with an honor system. It's not a competition but if the community suspected that a lot of the clears are false it would make people not really care about the system. Like with achievement boosting, it makes people not care about an otherwise cool timesink/incentive program.

Quote:
It never hurts to discuss something. That doesn't mean it will accomplish anything or that our opinions are even relevant in the matter. Neither of us are the ones that have to put in the effort to review submissions. Neither of us are really blowing up the Cleared Games thread, either.
But we're not morons so our brain storming could help the people this does effect.

Quote:
Hence why I like you.
I am a broken bastard huh?
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2015, 04:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
Kong's Avatar
Donor
Administrator
12,326 posts
Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kong has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 64
Points: 133,715, Level: 64 Points: 133,715, Level: 64 Points: 133,715, Level: 64
Level up: 18%
Level up: 18%, 16,735 Points needed Level up: 18% Level up: 18%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by krehztim View Post
I cleared ... submitted ... and posted in the Game Masters forum.
You followed the rules correctly. But it isn't a perfect system. It's easy for a mod to overlook it. Writing "cleared" in the comments is more effective/helpful than posting in the game masters thread.

I want to improve the submission/mod process. I have an idea to do so but feel free to post suggestions.

Not all game plays are watched. Generally the scores are watched when either it is a new high score, there is a verification request, the mod just feels like it, or the game has a known rule issue that is frequently broken.


The clear rule is
  1. If a game has a ending screen, you must reach it.
    • Kill screen is different than an ending screen.
    • Only one loop is required. The endings for SMB, Zelda and GnG tell you to beat the game again for a real ending. That is not required.
  2. IF a game has no ending screen then ANY of the following count.
    • 1 loop. Beat all unique content.
    • Max or flip a level or score counter
    • Reach a kill screen.

Examples:
Donkey Kong Arcade.
Rule #1 above applies. Level 1 has 2 stages. After stage 2 you see the ending screen, DK dies and you rescue Pauline. Ending screen = clear. Yes, it is super easy, and no you did not complete a loop or see all of the game content. For this particular game the rules are not perfect but the rule works well in nearly every other game. Making exceptions for individual games makes it too complicated.


Pac-Man Arcade.
There is no ending so rule #1 does not apply.
You can not flip a level or score counter.
Kill screen is level 256. Kill screen counts as a clear, but we wrote the rules to allow other options because in nearly every game reaching a kill screen is insanely challenging and boring. The developers did not intend for you to make it that far. We call it "clearing" a game not "mastering".

All that is left is looping. So when does Pac-Man loop? Pac Man is a special case where this is not an easy question.

The difficulty subtly increases until stage 17. Stage 18 is identical to stage 16. Stage 19 through stage 255 are identical to stage 17. With a game as famous as Pac man this info is easy to find. But we want rules that apply to every game and we can not expect our mods to know subtle changes like this in most other games. So we want to find a better, more visual, way to define a loop.

There are 3 intermissions. The last one plays after round 9. This is a good place to stop except...

There are 8 different fruit bonuses. The last one appears on stage 13. This is the point where nothing visually changes until the kill screen. This is where the game visually loops. So beat level 13, get credit for clearing Pac-Man.


Space Invaders.
It would work best if we said flipping the score is the only way to clear this game. But that would mean we have to make an exception saying in this one particular instance the rule of seeing all content and looping the game does not count as a clear. When we have thousands of games to monitor I don't want to worry about the 1% of games that would slightly benefit from special rules.


The rule is designed to work with as many games as possible without creating exceptions. Clear = seeing the ending. If an ending does not exist then seeing all content, looping the game, flipping a score or level counter or reaching a kill screen, all count as a clear. It is a simple rule that works well in most cases. In the few cases where it is not perfect it still works.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kugyince View Post
No one in their right mind wants to go through the thousands of games on the site to determine if a game is "easy to clear." Nor does anyone want to be the final word on which games are eligible for cleared status and which aren't. Nor do I think we should engage in this discussion every time someone clears a new game.
This.

Quote:
it doesn't allow you to clear game that have a password feature.
I don't see an easy solution to that without breaking everything else.

@Backloggery. It already exists. What sets us apart from them is we are not based on the honor system. We record evidence proving everyone has to played to the same standard. That function is not going to be removed from RU. Maybe one day we will add the option for players to maintain personal lists: Games they want to play. Games they beat. Games they want to share/recommend to others. Until that feature is added, anyone is free to create a thread here in the forums for that purpose or to use Backloggery and add a link to their BL profile in their sig.

Last edited by Kong; 02-26-2015 at 04:46 PM..
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2015, 06:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
stevencassidy13's Avatar
Regular Poster
11,092 posts
stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!stevencassidy13 has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 60
Points: 66,551, Level: 60 Points: 66,551, Level: 60 Points: 66,551, Level: 60
Level up: 62%
Level up: 62%, 3,899 Points needed Level up: 62% Level up: 62%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Barra's suggestion above is simple and covers the vast majority of games. The only stipulation would be a game that offers a second quest, and there are few enough of them that making specific rules for each of them as they arise would not be too much work.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
kong on Bronies:

"Of the 75% that are straight I would bet at least 10% would rather have a cheeseburger than a girlfriend."
Old 02-26-2015, 08:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
Kugyince's Avatar
Gao Gao Gao
Donor
Administrator
13,124 posts
Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Kugyince has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62 Points: 108,679, Level: 62
Level up: 90%
Level up: 90%, 2,071 Points needed Level up: 90% Level up: 90%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

+1 (+1/-0)     
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kong View Post
@Backloggery. It already exists. What sets us apart from them is we are not based on the honor system. We record evidence proving everyone has to played to the same standard. That function is not going to be removed from RU. Maybe one day we will add the option for players to maintain personal lists: Games they want to play. Games they beat. Games they want to share/recommend to others. Until that feature is added, anyone is free to create a thread here in the forums for that purpose or to use Backloggery and add a link to their BL profile in their sig.
No, what sets us apart is that we have a forum and you can actually play the games on this site.

A Backloggery style system would encourage users to return to the site, making long-term commitments. Even if they complete a game elsewhere they would think; "Oh hey, I should go to RU and update my game info." This causes people to think about the site, maybe even make it a once a day trip to update their info. It keeps RU in the back of their mind.

We already have more competitive gaming than someone could invest time in with the arcade leaderboards and contests. Use your recording for those instances, not cleared status.

The system allows for multiple tiers of clearing a game, allows users to integrate this site with their other gaming areas, and offers a much more detailed and fleshed out community around the gaming culture. With this type of system a user can a loop on DK or a kill screen on DK and denote the difference. Game A or B on SMB. First or second quest on LoZ. Etc...

I think you're wrong on this stance. I would also venture to guess that most of the mod staff also feel that you're taking the wrong approach. My suggested format is the easiest on both the moderator and the player. It comes off as both poor vision and stubbornness on your part.

Comments
  
  backloggery or riot

Last edited by Kugyince; 02-26-2015 at 08:44 PM..
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote

Old 02-26-2015, 09:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
Dudebro's Avatar
MY TITLE IS RED!
26,061 posts
Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!Dudebro has earned the ear of the admin. Watch yourself!
View Stats
Level: 62
Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62 Points: 106,608, Level: 62
Level up: 80%
Level up: 80%, 4,142 Points needed Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

Quote:
A Backloggery style system would encourage users to return to the site, making long-term commitments. Even if they complete a game elsewhere they would think; "Oh hey, I should go to RU and update my game info." This causes people to think about the site, maybe even make it a once a day trip to update their info. It keeps RU in the back of their mind.
I'm not personally into this but I have seen lots of people that are. Mostly on 360 but it seems like the appeal certainly is there.
My SignatureDisplay Signature Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2015, 05:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
B-boy Lutador's Avatar
Regular Poster
139 posts
B-boy Lutador deserves a fan clubB-boy Lutador deserves a fan clubB-boy Lutador deserves a fan clubB-boy Lutador deserves a fan clubB-boy Lutador deserves a fan clubB-boy Lutador deserves a fan club
View Stats
Level: 19
Points: 4,269, Level: 19 Points: 4,269, Level: 19 Points: 4,269, Level: 19
Level up: 5%
Level up: 5%, 381 Points needed Level up: 5% Level up: 5%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

   
Re: Clearing games

I've posted cleared games for these games but they've not been added to my cleared games list, could someone rectify this please
Donkey Kong, Coin-Op - cleared
Double Dragon, Coin-Op - cleared
Super Mario Bros: Luigi Bros Nintendo - cleared
Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels YY - Nintendo - cleared & better score
F Zero, Super Nintendo - cleared
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
cant load coin op games or nes games on my comp.. Allen Staal Retro Uprising Support 1 01-13-2014 06:47 PM
B.O.B - SNES / GEN Game Clearing (or any other password-continuing game) ARedLetterDay RU Games 5 02-06-2013 10:54 AM
Pirated Games Part 7: CONY Soft's Street Fighter II Games (NES / Famicom) ECInc2XXX Reviews 3 04-22-2012 08:20 PM
Clearing The Backlog Kugyince Scoop 25 07-15-2010 07:42 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:50 PM.

vBulletin® ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. » vBadvanced CMPS