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Old 07-27-2009, 07:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hard Drive Not Recognized

So recently I took a hard drive out of my old computer...well, I didn't, a friend of mine did, because he thought we could put it in my new computer. I wasn't gonna mess with it and didn't really care, so I let him deal with it. Well we couldn't plug it into my new computer, so I put it back in the old one. After that the PC stopped working, telling me it had a bad boot disc. I finally got my hands on an external enclosure for the hard drive, and it will not recognize the drive. I am assuming my drive has something very wrong with it.

My question is, is there any way to salvage some of my data? I have been making a record on that drive since January, and REALLLLLLYYYY don't want to lose my music that I was too stupid/poor to back up.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Hard Drive Not Recognized

I am assuming nothing changed. You removed it from one computer. Changed nothing. Put it back in that same computer the exact same way. Nothing else happened. But it didn't work.

In that case the problem could be that a pin got bent or electricity caused a short circuit of some sort or a loose connection or it was already on it's last legs and moving it put it over the edge.

There are a few things you can do.
1. Make sure nothing changed and put it back the way it was.
2. Some external drive adapters suck. Especially the ones that are just wires. Try one that includes circuit board.
3. Plug it in to the original computer and check if BIOS can detect it. If it can then disregard the rest of this post. There is still hope for you and the rest of this post is too risky.
4. If you slap it hard against your leg you can unjam it. Inside is kind of like a small record player. The "needle" can jam. A sharp blow can unjam it. It can also cause other problems but hey, what do you have to lose, right? Once or twice should be enough.
5. If you freeze it and then plug it in while it is still frozen you can usually get one more usage out of it. Once it thaws it is probably dead forever.
6. You can pay a lab $thousands to open it in a clean room and recover the info.
7. You can try opening it yourself and transplant the disks into a working drive. Probably wouldn't work. Try to be very clean - no dust - and use two identical drives.

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2. Some external drive adapters suck. Especially the ones that are just wires. Try one that includes circuit board.
I just bought this one. It has a circuit board and recognizes other hard drives.
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3. Plug it in to the original computer and check if BIOS can detect it. If it can then disregard the rest of this post. There is still hope for you and the rest of this post is too risky.
I don't know what this means. Could you please elaborate?

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5. If you freeze it and then plug it in while it is still frozen you can usually get one more usage out of it. Once it thaws it is probably dead forever.
If I kept it frozen while plugged in, would that extend my usage? I would probably be able to get everything I need off of it in 4 or 5 hours, but this whole concept scares me.

Thanks for the help. I don't know what you mean you tell me to check if BIOS can detect it. I am going to wait for a response before I try anything else.
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If I kept it frozen while plugged in, would that extend my usage? I would probably be able to get everything I need off of it in 4 or 5 hours, but this whole concept scares me.

Thanks for the help. I don't know what you mean you tell me to check if BIOS can detect it. I am going to wait for a response before I try anything else.
I would google freezing hard drives before trying it. I think I tried it once several years ago but I forgot what the results were.

The method to get into bios is different on every computer but usually within the first 10 seconds of turning the computer on you need to hit a certain key. F1, F2, F12, Enter, Delete, Escape or the most common. The screen will usually tell you what to press. Once in you will need to look for the drive info. If it lists your drive then that is good. If it doesn't then something is wrong with the connection, computer or drive or jumper.

A jumper is a small piece of plastic on a pin in the back of IDE drives that you can move to change settings. They are usually pretty tight but it is possible that it accidentally fell off or that your friend moved it. That could cause your problem but usually external enclosure cases ignore it is probably not the problem. SATA drives don't have them.
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Re: Hard Drive Not Recognized

On my hard drive, no jumper makes it the master drive, so it doesn't have one on there.

I will try this BIOS thing and see what my results are, and I will let you know if I get a positive outcome. Otherwise I will try your other methods, and maybe google freezing a hard drive.
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Re: Hard Drive Not Recognized

Remember to check if the pins where the cable plugs in are not damaged - bent or pushed in.
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  1. Freeze the drive for several hours in a moisture proof bag of some kind, let it warm to room temperature, and try the drive again. If successful, backup all data immediately and replace the drive.
  2. If that is not successful, freeze the drive again and once it is frozen, hook the drive up and try again. Use dry ice to freeze the drive, and keep some on it wrapped in a towel sitting on the drive while attempting to get the system to recognize the drive. If you are able to see the drive now, instantly back up everything. You should always know where you need to go to grab your data before you try these steps because if you are able to see the drive at some point it might not be for a long period of time.
  3. While the drive is NOT powered up slap the Hard Drive on a table, on one of its side edges, not very hard but hard enough to perhaps break a egg. If the fault is the actuators that actually move the head back and forth this might break it free enough to actually become "unparked" and hopefully allow you to recover your data once the drive will spin up
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  1. Replace the Drive's Controller Board.
  1. Inspect the drive's controller board carefully to see if it can be removed without exposing the drive's platters. Most drives will have an externally-mounted controller board. If not, stop here.
  2. Find a sacrificial drive. It is important to match the exact same model number and stepping.
  3. Remove the controller board of the failing drive.
    • Remove the screws with the correct screwdrivers. Most drives use torx head which is available at home repair stores. Be careful, the screws are soft.
    • Learn everything about how it is connected to the drive. Most drives are connected via ribbon cables and pin rows. Be gentle. Do not crimp or damage the connectors.
  4. Remove the controller board from the working drive. Again, be extremely careful.
  5. Attach the working board to the failing drive.
  6. Connect the drive to your computer or device and test. If it works, immediately copy your data onto another form of media or a different hard disk drive. If that didn't work, try to re-assemble the sacrificial drive with the working controller board. It should still work.
  7. Rub aluminum foil on the four connectors on the bottom of the failed hard disk near the center. This will take off any corrosion. Be careful not to damage any of the pins further to the back. Re-assemble the failing drive. Try again.
I think this Data Recovery | File Recovery | Deleted Hard Disk Recovery is only $380 to have it repaired by professionals in a clean room. If the data is valuable and bios does not recognize it then I would consider this option.
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Re: Hard Drive Not Recognized

So funny story...

I had 2 drives I was dealing with, 1 "control" drive, and the one that was busted. I don't know how this happened, but somehow I got them switched. I plugged in the other drive, and got it to work in my old computer. It turned out to be the drive I actually cared about, and I immediately backed up all my important stuff.

Though I may try that freezing thing for the other one that is apparently dead. Maybe I can get some of my old MP3s off of it.

Thanks a ton for all your help Kong. I realllllly appreciate it.
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