[Dojah]

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

The proof's in the pudding. Most heavy handed, one punch K.O. boxers have had muscular, yet sleek and athletic bodies. If you need to see an example, look up Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, Kelly Pavlik, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey etc. Most of the men mentioned in your post have bulky frames that look as if they have been created by lifting a lot of weights.

OK this almost laughable but here it goes. Like I said obvioulsy you know nothing about MMA. The people I listed do not have bulky frames, and do not look even close to someone created by lifting weights...and wouldnt that also say the exact oposite of what you said about MMA fighters being un-conditioned? There is no proof in your pudding what so ever...lol. The fighters you bring up are bigger than my list by far. Congo and Lesnar are only exception.

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

These guys could also go for 12 to 15 rounds. That's 36 to 45 minutes. What is the average MMA fight? Four 5 minute rounds? Less time equals less conditioning. Nothing against the MMA guys for that because their sport doesn't require the same amount of conditioning, but facts are facts. Please spare the argument that they need to worry about wrestling and going to the ground. One, boxers have to deal with clinches and in-fighting where there's a lot of body contact and two, often times in MMA guys can/will take short breaks when they go to the ground.

Ok another laughable point you make. First boxing only goes 12 rounds now. Been like that for 2 years-ish. Such orginization like RioHeroes go with no breaks til fight is done. Also lets use math like you try to use...MMA fight can go to 25 minutes with only 4 breaks 4 INUTES. Boxing can go 36 minutes with 11 breaks and 11 minutes of break time. almost 3 times the break /less than 1/3 more fight time. You saying thier sport does not require the same amount of conditioning is simply your ignorance on this sport. You can google the training regiments of fighters and you can see boxers do not compare. It's no big deal, you just do not know about the sport or the fighters and your FACTS are NOT facts...they are assumptions.
Talking about boxers who clinch and fighting with lots of body contact is hilarious when comparing to technical arts of ground fighting. Not a big deal just another point about you not knowing about the sport. When boxers clinch its just for that reason mostly..for resting. It's not a technical move.

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

That doesn't make sense to me.

I dont understand how that can not make sense. Maybe the word level threw you off, it means equal in this discussion

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

Mirko Cro-Cop? The same Mirko Cro-Cop that as a boxer had a 40-5 amateur record and a 12-5 professional record.

You must also not know about K-1 which is what I am speaking of. He was a K-1 champion. You might not feel like this is an elite boxer but your belief/feeling means nothing.

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

Tell me why you think these 'boxers' cross over to MMA. Has an MMA pay per view card ever generated 2.5 million buys?

Well people like De la Hoya, Mayweather, Hasim Rahman who talked about going over to MMA talks about this being realer than boxing. Your assumption of generated buys is yet another point you make about knowing nothing about MMA
Going off stats. Ufc has generated more money in its first 16 years than boxing did. Remember Ufc is still new, Boxing as a sport is over 100 years old. Although this generated buys part of the convo means nothing and holds no ground.

Originally Posted by Billy Hoyle

Known and confirmed? By who? Did he ever really fight anyone?

Well going off testimony form the best fighters of his generation(top ranked champions of the world) to todays best fighters. He faught many times...but lets remember there was no style on style compititions back then that even compae to what we have today. He was known for his many fights in China, along with his greatest fight achievement winning overGrandMaster Wong Jack Man. Highest ranked Master in America at that time..and I believe still is. This was also before he created JKD...which we now call MMA.

Lets look at reality for a minute and not fantasy world. Boxing is so below MMA it's funny to even argue over it. You try to bring up these so called facts that are so far off based its funny. Why do you think our special forces learn such techniques as JKD/MMA/ Paul Vunak who learned from Bruce Lee's top student Don Inosanto taught our most elite special forces these techniques. Also SCIENCE has confirmed that a boxers punch is about 4 times as weak as a simple kick...something boxers know nothing about. They also confirmed a simple knee is also stronger than a boxers punch. They usedSteve Petramale who is well known and a hgh up trainer in the boxing world. I know you know who he is.
This can be seen on youtube if you would like.
Also about boxers who come get beat in MMA..we can see champion Ray Mercer get his butt handed to him by a very unskilled street fighter named KIMBO. Kimbo sucks badly and he taught Mercer a lesson. We also have Yosuke Nishijima the WBO NABO cruiserweight title, the OPBF cruiserweight title and the World Boxing Federation cruiserweight champ who tried to fight MMA and has an impressing 0-5 record.
The point is in the real world MMA dominates boxing. This is not a fantasy world where people only use thier hands. There are hands, elbows, knees, shins, feet, submissions, throws of all kinds, and really the list goes on and on. A fight includes them all...now a slap fight hehe boxing would be what you want to learn.
I mean no harm in this post billy. I'll let you slap me with one of those huge boxing gloves.