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Old 04-27-2011, 02:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked - The Daily Beast

Thoughts? Wonder if it's 4chan again?
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

This happened like a week ago, and it's very annoying. Also, I've read in several places that they said they had nothing to do with this, though I'm not too sure about the truth.
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

I found out via Facebook earlier when a friend IRL said he didn't hack Sony. (he hates Sony anything with a passion) He's a member here too.
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

So basically, Sony has poorly implemented security? You'd think they'd be a bit more careful about it, that or it was an inside job.
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

You get what you pay for. PSN is free and accordingly the security sucks. I bet now they'll start charging subscriptions.

Btw if you needed a reason to hate Sony now would be the time. With around 70million users being compromised they waited almost a week to warn people about their personal information being stolen. That's inexcusable really. Besides just CC info, which is pretty bad, they supposedly compromised full names, home addresses, emails - basically anything a savvy hacker could use to brute force your CC info if they didn't have it.

Makes that RROD fiasco not looks so bad right?
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

This totally excuses the rrod.

---------- Post added at 11:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:37 PM ----------

On topic, I'm betting that the tiniest sliver of a fraction of the 70 million user is affected at all. That is if the hacker even has intentions of using the cc's at all, witch he'd have to be very stupid to risk it. They should have had much tighter security though, and this is very upsetting, I just hope it doesnt snowball into something devastating for Sony. DB's comment got me thinking, perhaps Micro$oft is behind the attack?
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

Much as I hate the company, I doubt it. They wouldn't get caught up in cyber-warfare like that. Too much to lose, not enough to gain.
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Not if they are the only online gaming company. Motive fits
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Well that's one of the most retarded things I've read in a while. Why would MS bother? Why would they risk the backlash? Isn't MS the one well known for not being able to get their own security issues in order, now they're suddenly pros? Makes zero sense unless you're looking for a way to blame MS for Sony being full of fail.

Btw why not blame Nintendo? If anything Sony ripped off the Wii motion controls more and even made a controller that looks almost exactly like a wiimote. They stand to gain more from Sony failing since Sony fanboys hate MS more than they hate Nintendo. So Nintendo seems to have more motive imo.


But for anyone interested in reality there's a more reasonable theory. The idea is that a hacker modded their console to act like a developer console and from there they were given more access to PSN. Once they achieved that they had a nice back door to go even further. According to all the sources I've read the browser most likely wasn't compromised, it was the console.

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I'm betting that the tiniest sliver of a fraction of the 70 million user is affected at all. That is if the hacker even has intentions of using the cc's at all, witch he'd have to be very stupid to risk it.
You're missing the real issue. CC info is bad but people are protected from fraud because the CC companies are very aware of this issue. Sony is actually telling it's customers to file for fraud now as a precaution. The real issue is identity theft. The kind of info that was compromised makes it incredibly easy to steal/use/manipulate that info. Even if just half that info was compromised it would be very easy. They didn't tell people for a week, plenty of time for lots of bad stuff to happen. They dropped the ball hard and lots of people will not forgive them for it. That's the bottom line.

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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

This is up on Yahoo Canada today:

Furor at Sony after hackers steal Playstation user data - Yahoo! News
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Yay for recently closing my bank account and switching! Not due to this due to better bank.
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

This was interesting-
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Sony did not tell the public about the stolen data until Tuesday, hours after it had unveiled in Japan its first tablet computers.
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A Sony spokesman said that after learning of the breach it took "several days of forensic investigation" before the company knew consumers' data had been compromised.
Suuuuuure. Probably should've waited a little longer after the unveiling of your new device to make it more believable.

This was also interesting-
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He suspected the hackers entered the network by taking over the PC of a system administrator, who had rights to access sensitive information about Sony's customers. They likely did that by sending the administrator an email message that contained a piece of malicious software that got downloaded onto his or her PC.
Granted this is just some dude speculating but it seems a lot more likely than someone figuring out how to mod their retail console to a dev kit.
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^ Why DB, you're starting to sound just like one of those 'conspiracy theorists'.
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Hey if there's reason to be suspicious then have at it. I think Sonys timing leaves little to the imagination.
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Hey if there's reason to be suspicious then have at it. I think Sonys timing leaves little to the imagination.
I was only making a comment on how you 'jump to conclusions' on this matter and 'fill in the blanks'.
When I do that about World events or politics you usually pounce on me for it, and that's why I said what I did about you sounding like a conspiracy theorist.

Just sayin', but perhaps you should consider applying this same mode of thought to those other things {World events, politics} and see what you come up with.

ON TOPIC:
This is inexcusable.
How is it that people are getting personal information through a gaming console, anyhow?
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It's all good I understood what you were saying. I was just saying in return that I'm willing to suspect something if there's reasonable evidence to do so. I'd like to think that the times I pounce on your theories is justified. You could think of it as me keeping you honest. With someone scrutinizing your manifestos you can be assured that you'll always have the correct information, or close to it. Ya know? It's like peer review.
Besides all that I'm just so sick of politics,corruption and conspiracies in general. Not giving up just need a break from the sense of hopelessness that comes with those topics.



If that theory is correct they might've bypassed the console altogether. Sounds reasonable that a system admin would have PC access to all that stuff. If it turns out to be true some heads will be rolling over that lapse in security. Heads should roll about the decision to keep users in the dark for close to a week. It must've been really bad for them to with hold that kind of info. Maybe they spent all that time doing damage control so they can try to downplay it. It's already being considered one of the worst security breaches in internet history. 70 million possibly compromised identities from all around the globe. Sucks to be Sony.
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DB:
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If it turns out to be true some heads will be rolling over that lapse in security.
Their Kung Fu was not strong.


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Heads should roll about the decision to keep users in the dark for close to a week. It must've been really bad for them to with hold that kind of info. Maybe they spent all that time doing damage control so they can try to downplay it.
Actually, I picture them pulling their hair and walking around in circles for hours on end making moaning noises {and perhaps muttering curses or prayers?} until they collapsed on the spot.
{when they first discovered it}

But I have to agree the 'Wargames' scenario doesn't add up, and there is something funny about the timing.
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Re: Sony: PlayStation User Data Hacked

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Valued PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country,
email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login,
and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip),
and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may
have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your
dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have
been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit
card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have
provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity,
out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email,
telephone and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive
information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email,
asking for your credit card number, social security number or other
personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information,
you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation
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They should fix it and give everyone a 100 dollar credit on PSN for inducing panic. Hey I can dream can't I?
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Actually the general consensus is that Sony will end up giving their users some kind of credit for this. Since the online store is just virtual money they could easily credit everyone with enough for at least one or two full retail games, if they wanted to. Whatever they do it better be more than a form letter apologizing for the inconvenience.
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I'd buy Arcana Heart 3.
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The one it got yesterday from Purdue professor and security expert Dr. Gene Spafford is troubling, to say the least, if the situation he detailed actually played out as described.

Spafford told the subcommittee that, according to security mailing lists he subscribes to, "individuals who work in security and participate in the Sony network" had learned "several months ago" that PSN was hosted on servers running "very old versions of Apache software that were unpatched and had no firewall installed."

The professor continued, "they had reported these [issues] in an open forum that was monitored by Sony employees, but had seen no response and no change or update to the software." The timeframe for these events was "two to three months prior to the incident where the break-ins occurred," according to Spafford.
This is second hand info but it's being taken very seriously and the guy is not just some armchair tech guy giving his opinion. Looks like Sony screwed up more than anyone realized. Wow is all I can think of, if all this is true how can anyone trust them? It really seems like they cut corners as much as possible to keep their service free so they can compete with Live.



Btw Sony is apparently giving out a free month of their plus service(which is basically advertising for them) and a free download of some content, but no details as to what that will be. So basically they're giving people one month of their paid service(which you need to use CC to access apparently and it'll bill you if you don't cancel after a month) and probably some half assed game download, I seriously doubt it will be a full retail game. Way too little and too late imo.
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They should add 10 bucks to my PSN so I can buy the MvC3 DLC characters
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They should add 10 bucks to my PSN so I can buy the MvC3 DLC characters
The European blog(it gets updated way more than the US one) said every PS3 users will get to pick 2 games from a list of 5(unclear if they are just PSN games or full PS3 games, assume PSN) and PSP users will get to pick 2 from a list of 4.

Also, everyone gets a free month of PS+. That is basically worthless unless you want to use it to buy games at a discount. Any free games they give you won't work when you unsubscribe.
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2 games from a list of 5? Man Sony is really retarded about this. If you piss off millions of loyal customers you should at least let them pick from a larger group, ideally let them pick whatever they want.
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Better be Arcana Heart 3. >_>
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