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Old 06-04-2011, 12:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ScrewAttack: Top 10: Worst Reboots & Remakes

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They lost all credibility when they trashed Shadowrun. Saying it's not even a good FPS just proves they're basing all this on stuff they read about. Tools.
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Re: ScrewAttack: Top 10: Worst Reboots & Remakes

ScrewAttack is the most successful website for video gaming, I'm sure they
can afford to buy any game they'd like, I'd bet it's more like fanboyism.
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Re: ScrewAttack: Top 10: Worst Reboots & Remakes

I'm not doubting they can buy any game they want. I'm just saying from my personal experience I can tell that they either never played SR or that they did, for like 5 mins, and already had their mind made up before they turned it on. Any FPS fan who really gives the game a chance will know that it's one of the better FPS in recent history. I say that honestly with no fanboyism. It's just a damn good game.

Also the fact that they put it so high over other steaming piles of crap is just insulting. They're just going along with the crowd, I wonder what list they copied for this.
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It sedemed more based on the fact that they took an epic series, and completely ignored all of it's roots because fps's were the new cool genre. I would agree with it's place on the list even if it was the best fps of all time.
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Sure it may not be the best reboot but I'm just taking issue with how obviously uninformed they are about the game. All they know is that it's not an rpg and that the hacking elements are gone. But, despite being light on story the game is actually still based in the same universe. It seems to me that they had a planned series(not just FPS versions) and this was a prequel or introduction to the series. In SR Magic has just come back into the world and things are starting to turn into the SR from the old games. But the people from screw attack wouldn't know or care because they went into this knowing they were gonna trash the game. They're just sell outs like all other reviewers, critics, ect.

Btw I could be wrong but I heard the studio closing down was not directly because of SR(although it didn't help). Seems like the nail was already in that coffin and MS just pulled the plug.

Bionic Commando, Conkers, Pac Man, Golden Axe, TMNT, Final Fight, Sonic, Bomber man, Asteroids are all bad reboots and bad games. SR is not. Can any of you really claim that SR is worse than something like Pac Man 2?
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I actually enjoyed Pac Man 2. I like the music, the graphics, and all the things you could do to pac man. I don't really seem why people hate it besides the fact that it stars Pac-Man.

I haven't played the others, though I might take a look at Bionic Commando and TMNT.
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Pac-man falls under the same umbrella as SR, they both alienated their initial fanbase by completely changing the game.
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Nope you're wrong, as I already detailed. They didn't completely change the game they just made an indirect sequel based on the established story. Pac Man threw the old game out and just kept the main character for brand recognition. Big difference.
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I agree with Steven. Doesn't matter how great a FPS it is, any ShadowRun game doesn't have some RPG elements belongs on the list.

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I'm not familiar with all of the games but I think Pac Man and and Sonic are the worst on the list.
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Well that's unfair. So you're saying any game that changes genres is automatically a failed reboot? I don't think any SR game has to be RPG. I'd prefer it but it isn't a deal breaker.

And also yes it does matter if the game is good. A bad reboot means it's bad. If the game is actually good then it shouldn't be compared to absolute bombs.
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I agree with Steven. Doesn't matter how great a FPS it is, any ShadowRun game doesn't have some RPG elements belongs on the list.

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I'm not familiar with all of the games but I think Pac Man and and Sonic are the worst on the list.
Super Mario RPG was totally different and it was still a great game.
I've never played Shadowrun so I can't speak for or against it.

Sonic the Hedgehog should have been number 1.
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Seems to me that Pac Man was the biggest offense to it's fans. At least the others stayed close to the source in a way(like Sonic was still a platform game). Pac Man 2 was just a bastardization. I've never played it but from the screens it's worth of all the scorn. I also remember seeing 3D pac man games that were just as bad.
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Taking Mario Bros and turning it into Super Mario Bros. And turning that into Super Mario RPG is not going to get it on the list.

Taking a very unique game that is a cult classic highly loved by a small minority of gamers and turning it into a generic game designed very specifically for mass appeal in a genre that the original fan base already see as flooded isn't going to give it many + points.

The reboot didn't respect the original fan base, that is ok for main stream games like Mario. It is not ok for cult classics like Shadow Run.

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If they announced that they were making a new Out of This World I would just about wet my pants. If I then found out it was a FPS, even if it was the best FPS ever, I might just have to kill someone.
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But that's my point Kong they didn't just make some generic FPS game. It's actually one of the most unique FPS games to date and it has a very different feel to it. The SR fans who hate it just because it's not a RPG are being silly. It's still a SR game and it's very well done.

Btw you could make the argument that the console versions of SR were guilty of the same thing. They were RPGs but they were both different from each other(how does that happen if they're faithful to the source?) and they are both different from the PnP experience. They're essentially a watered down version to appeal to console RPG fans at a time when there was lots of console RPGs, some would say it was flooded with them. Just saying.

That's a pretty emotional response to a reboot of a game you like. So even if the game was game of the decade you'd hate it because it's different? I just can't get behind that kind of thing.
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So if the next intallment of DQ was a fps, you would be fine with that?

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Better example would be Talloons Mystery Dungeon, I doubt you'd be fine if a sequel came out as a fps.
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For anyone who's played Final Fight 3D, someone explain why that happened to Cody.
Been awhile since I played through this but as I remember it there was something wrong with Cody's knees and he took this stuff and it was supposed to make him stronger.

Of course instead it slowly turned him into that monstrosity you saw there at the end of the game.
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@steven- believe it or not I'd be fine with either game being changed, if the game it changed to was fun. I enjoy Dynasty Warriors games even though I love Romance of the Three Kingdoms games. It's not a perfect example but I think it's close enough. The point is I just care about if the game is fun. Just because it was one genre previously doesn't mean it has to rigidly stick to it to be good.
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To each their own, if Enix tried to make DQX an FPS there would be a mutiny in Japan, so I pretty sure your in a very small minority in this situation.
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Well yeah it would be a total betrayal of the fanbase. But that's why it wouldn't happen, they know what the fans want. But they do love making weird spin off games. I think they could make a really cool FPS game using all DQ stuff.
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Good example. I guess I'm on the weird side of this because I thought it was cool to try something different with Zelda. It's not the best game but it's pretty memorable.
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That's an acceptable change i.m.o. becase the games are very similar, besides the gameplay. They also went back to the original style for the next 8 or so installments.

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The jump to the N64 games was to me more of a drastic change than Zelda 2, and that was the end of the series for me.
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That's too bad Ocarina of Time was a great game.
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Re: ScrewAttack: Top 10: Worst Reboots & Remakes

I've never played Zelda 1 or 2 but I would put Zelda 2 on the list. I just look at it and think what the hell is this?

Alex Kidd had some horrendous reboots.

What about great reboots? I think some of the best ones are Wonderboy in Monsterland, Super Puzzle Fighter, 3D Tetris, .
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