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Old 12-18-2010, 06:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Playstation 2 , the new dreamcast

PS2 is the new DREAMCAST Retro Shindig

Do you guys agree with this article ? What do you think ?
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Can't really argue with the facts I guess, I'd much rather have a DC though, better emulators, a lot more user friendly, and a much better built machine.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:12 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Playstation 2 , the new dreamcast

This article says you can just emulate the DC games on the PS2. Why would you rather have a system with significantly less games?
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I don't care about a huge library of games I'm not interested in, and the article said that a lot of the good DC games have been ported over, not emulated.
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Oh so you're not interested in over two thousand games on PS2 but under seven hundred games (a handful of which are actually note worthy) on the DC makes it worth it? I bet you never heard of/tried/gave a chance to at least 50% of the PS2 games available. If you had you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it's library.

I only commented because your post seems to be bashing the PS2 even though it's considered one of the best consoles of all time. I know some of you guys hate hearing that but it's true. Don't get me wrong, Dreamcast was good even though it didn't last long commercially. But, if the good games from DC are mostly ported to the PS2 anyways then what's the point of having a DC over a PS2 in light of this new info?
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Oh so you're not interested in over two thousand games on PS2 but under seven hundred games (a handful of which are actually note worthy) on the DC makes it worth it? I bet you never heard of/tried/gave a chance to at least 50% of the PS2 games available. If you had you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it's library.

I only commented because your post seems to be bashing the PS2 even though it's considered one of the best consoles of all time. I know some of you guys hate hearing that but it's true. Don't get me wrong, Dreamcast was good even though it didn't last long commercially. But, if the good games from DC are mostly ported to the PS2 anyways then what's the point of having a DC over a PS2 in light of this new info?
Im not a fan of the ps2, simple as that. Just because the majority think the machine is god's gift to gamers doenst mean I have to feel that way. If I was to list my top 100 games of all time, there might be 2 or 3 that are ps2 games. And no I'm not about to go try and play fifty percent of the systems library just so I can attempt to change my opinion of the system.

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Oh also for the record, a massive library of games isn't neccesarily a good thing. It's like going to a 300 item all you can eat buffet sure it sounds nice on paper, but does it really matter when all you can eat is 10-15 items? Maybe some day when emulation is better and I can sample 100 different ps2 games in a night without load times, I might cut the ps2 some slack.

Another thing, a lot of ps2 games strike me as being a bit of a chore to play, you put in the game, wait 5 minutes to get through setting up your game and going through initial cut scenes play a boring game for 5 minutes then get another cut scene... it seems like in general a lot of the games are too damn story driven, they just don't hold my attention. In fact I would go as far a saying that I don't like any non-rpg's that try to tell me some epic tale.

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Very provocative points

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Normally that is true but it's common knowledge that the PS2 library is full of awesome games of all genres. Can the DC make that same claim? I get that you hate PS2 for some reason but you can't just deny it's contribution to gaming, that would be dishonest.
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favourites from ps2:

ATV 4
Half Life (if you count it with the changes).

favourites from Dreamcast:

Sonic Adventure
San Francisco Rush 2049
Hydro Thunder
Worms 2 Armageddon
Worms World Party
Coaster Works
Crazy Taxi
Sonic Adventure 2
4X4 Evolution

the list goes on...

Point is, opinion is opinion. Sure, there are other great ps2 games, but to me? No and I've had a ps2 twice with larger libraries and I only kept the 2 I really liked the last time; ATV 4 and Nhl 2003. Dreamcast however brings a lot more charm, a lot more fun and just a better feel. I like the games on it more because they suit me and I like the console in general much more. Dreamcast to me is a treasure where as the ps2 is just machinery with nothing special to it for me.

That is opinion, that cannot be swayed. Just like you can't sway my interest in games in general my favourites being platformers, Business sims and Extreme Racing games., which I'd consider an unusual interest in games from most who want rpgs and/or adventures.

Talking sixth gen. I like the gamecube and the GC. They are both like treasures for me, if I'm going to use that metaphor, as for the xbox it kind of sits somewhere in between. The ps2 I am indifferent to. Frankly I could care less if it never came to exist but I know others wouldn't. I don't mean that in the sense that I hate ps2 either, I just could care less for it personally, it's nothing special to me whatsoever other than ATV 4.

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You're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't change the reality of how well the PS2 did and still does compared to the DC. Also a reality is how PS2 has tons of hugely successful games, how many did the DC have? You and a few other people may dismiss it but the vast majority of gamers cannot be wrong. You're in the minority on this, I'm sure I've told you that before. If you asked most gamers which system they preferred I bet the PS2 would win by a landslide.


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I get that you hate PS2 for some reason but you can't just deny it's contribution to gaming, that would be dishonest.
Did you not read my explaination? And I don't hate any game system, aside from microsofts efforts.
It's contribution to gaming? What would that be? What did it do to shape the future of gaming in a positive way?
It's contribution is insignificant whne compared to Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, Konami, Hudson Soft, ect. ect.
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A gaming console does not need to be innovative to be good.
I like the Dreamcast, I really do. It had a decent library, though it was small. The PS2 though, was much better. Much more powerful, more games, more good games.
I'm certain I've done this before, but I'll do it again.
Good Dreamcast games:
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Shenmue
Sonic Adventure
Soulcalibur
Powerstone
Powerstone 2


Good PS2 games:
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Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3
Silent Hill 4: The Room
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Soulcalibur 2
Soulcalibur 3
Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry 3
Resident Evil 4
King of Fighters XI
Grand Theft Auto 3
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Tekken 4
Tekken Tag Tournament
Tekken 5
Shadow of the Colossus
God Hand
Odin Sphere
Yakuza
Yakuza 2
Disgaea
Disgaea 2
God of War
God of War II
Guilty Gear X
Guilty Gear XX
Okami
Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocture
Persona 3
Persona 3 FES
Persona 4
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
Way of the Samurai
Way of the Samurai 2


I have not played nearly all of the games from either library, so I'm sure there are more I am missing.
[quoteSC13] I'd much rather have a DC though, better emulators, a lot more user friendly, and a much better built machine.[/quote]
Umm... I hate to say this, but if a console is so easy to mod so you can use emulators and play pirated games no problem, it really isn't built better, it is built worse.
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i say that the ps2 is indeed very good because it does have alot of games well i on the other hand i love sonic and crash games on the ps2 anyway what do you guys mean ps2 is the new dreamcast? (though the dreamcast was short-lived and ps2 long-lived) ps2 is still good.
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Umm... I hate to say this, but if a console is so easy to mod so you can use emulators and play pirated games no problem, it really isn't built better, it is built worse.
Okay, so the systems that are unstable, and easily brickable when you want to play some homebrew are the ones I should buy? I'll remember that, next time I want to purchase a console.
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Both suck.
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I'd rather be able to burn games for my stable working console 10 years later, opposed to having my console break down and freeze a lot amongst other things 3 years after I purchased it.
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It's contribution to gaming? What would that be? What did it do to shape the future of gaming in a positive way?
More than the DC did. The PS2 was THE system of that generation. Like DM said it didn't need to innovate to be considered good. To the younger generation the PS2 is as big as the NES was to our generation. According to wikipedia it's the highest selling console of all time and it's been in production for 10+ years and still going. To dismiss it's contribution to gaming is just silly. You may not like the contribution but it doesn't change the facts.

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It's contribution is insignificant whne compared to Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, Konami, Hudson Soft, ect. ect.
In your mind sure.


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Old 12-19-2010, 07:48 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Fanboy much DB?
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So defending the console makes me a fanboy? I guess that means you don't have much else to say about this huh? Just remember that I also like the DC, it's not about that. It's about giving the PS2 the credit it deserves.
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@cam- Take better care of your systems and they'll last longer.
That's not it, I take great care of all of the console I have. The only ones that have ever broken for me were 2 ps2s and an xbox original. Everything else still holds up perfect to this day.

Edit: The xbox was personally fixable too, just saying.

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I all I said was that I wasn't a fan of the PS2, but your fanboyism wouldnt let you accept that. The monster inside of you craved for me to admit that at least something about the PS2 was phenomenal. I'm afraid your going to have to find sustinance elsewhere because I don't feel that there is anything about the system that I should be thankful for. All it did was breed a new generation of "hardcore" gamers, witch happens to be the side of gaming I could care less about. I don't give a crap about sales figures, or how massive the library is, the bottom line is that it just isnt one of my favorite systems. I was down on the industry as a whole when the system came out, and it was right around the time that Fungusman gave me the entire nes library on a single CD for my PS1, and that was what I was excited about in gaming at the time. You can continue to approach the issue from any angle you want, but your not going to get me to admit to something I don't believe.

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all I said was that I wasn't a fan of the PS2, but your fanboyism wouldnt let you accept that. The monster inside of you craved for me to admit that at least something about the PS2 was phenomenal. I'm afraid your going to have to find sustinance elsewhere because I don't feel that there is anything about the system that I should be thankful for. All it did was breed a new generation of "hardcore" gamers, witch happens to be the side of gaming I could care less about. I don't give a crap about sales figures, or how massive the library is, the bottom line is that it just isnt one of my favorite systems.
This is EXACTLY what I think, thank you +1. Asides from the fanboyism which I don't know about.
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You guys are ridiculous. You'll go to any length to avoid giving the PS2 the credit it deserves. Put aside your personal grudges or w/e and just accept that it's a console that is a big part of gaming history. DC had potential but by comparison it's more like a footnote in the history of gaming. I wish it could've done better but it didn't, what else is there to say about it?

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The monster inside of you craved for me to admit that at least something about the PS2 was phenomenal.
Obviously you're overestimating how I feel about this. All I'm asking you to admit is that it's a good system and deserves credit. Seeing you flail about in an attempt to deny it is funny but it's getting old.

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All it did was breed a new generation of "hardcore" gamers
So they magically appeared with the release of the PS2 or were these gamers around long before that on other systems? What a joke. PS2 has a very diverse library and it has fans from all sides of the gaming world. Nice try though.

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I could care less about
How much less could you care about it? You and cam seem to be only half heartedly caring about this, how do you really feel? Or was that a typo?

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I don't give a crap about sales figures, or how massive the library is, the bottom line is that it just isnt one of my favorite systems. I was down on the industry as a whole when the system came out, and it was right around the time that Fungusman gave me the entire nes library on a single CD for my PS1, and that was what I was excited about in gaming at the time. You can continue to approach the issue from any angle you want, but your not going to get me to admit to something I don't believe.
So you can admit that you are ignoring all it's positive points for purely emotional reasons. Can you at least admit that your opinion is in the extreme minority?

@cam- All my systems work. The only ones I had problems with were the PS1 and NES. Does that mean the NES was a piece of crap? I got one of those top loader ones later it still works to this day. Funny how Nintendo makes a huge screw up like that but no one seems to care. Microsoft does it and you all jump all over them like they killed a puppy. Fanboys are funny sometimes.
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I do not like the PS2. That being said;

Wasn't Sega the ones who originally created "hardcore" gaming? Blast processing and Sega does what nintendon't? Our console is for the mature, cool gamer while theirs is for kids?

I like Sega as a developer but their negative marketing spree is really the cause of everything I dislike about gaming.

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good point I didn't even think of that.
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