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Old 03-17-2015, 06:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Nintendo games for smartphones and tablets | Projext NX console - PC Advisor

Not only a new console called project nx, nintendo is finally getting into the mobile market.

Personally, I feel like they have taken too long for this and it's not surprising that a new console is announced. Hoping less of a gimmick wii u is.
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Re: New nintendo console announced

NX may or may not be a home console. Only the phrase "dedicated game hardware" was used.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: New nintendo console announced

Might as well plan for the future. It's not like the WiiU is gonna turn things around and dominate the market.
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: New nintendo console announced

It would have been better if they partnered with Valve.
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Damn if they did that they'd destroy Sony and MS. I doubt they'd ever consider it though.
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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NX may or may not be a home console. Only the phrase "dedicated game hardware" was used.
Didn't you predict way back when that something like this would happen if Yamauchi died?
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: New nintendo console announced

Not even 3 years on the market for the Wii U before its successor is announced.
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Its interesting, indeed. I'll give my thoughts on the matter when I get home and have time to read the translated conference.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I haven't kept up. The Wii U tablet controller gimmick never was a success right? Is it considered a bad idea and failure by most?


Sounds like DeNA • Home will be Nintendo's mobile developer. They swapped stock in each other's companies. Nintendo owns 10% of DeNA and DeNA owns 1.24% of Nintendo (equal value). That sounds like they are making a big commitment in each other. I don't think Nintendo has ever done that before.

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I can see why they were reluctant. Nintendo games are a perfect fit for phones BUT they will directly compete with 3ds and they are probably very worried about cheapening their IPs' reputation. Nintendo's biggest asset is the reputation you can't go wrong purchasing a game staring Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Kong, Samus, etc. Phone games could be another CD-i fiasco for them. Short term profits are guaranteed but they are probably scared about the long term risks.

Nintendo explaining their new moves to shareholders.
March 17, Wed. 2015 Presentation Title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNi6ZbMKh_w


They said they announced NX at same time as the move to phones to reassure everyone they are not abandoning dedicated hardware. Sounds to me like it will be a Wii U replacement.

Sounds like they have similar plans for Club Nintendo that Xbox Live has - sync across all devices.


What do you think/hope "a brand new concept" could possibly mean? I imagine it is another gimmick and not an attempt to compete with Sony/MS on hardware specs.
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I'll reply to your post kong once I'm off of work.

Dena just so everyone knows made transformers legends and marvel war or heroes apps. I'm worried that this will become a pure money grab like those games are. Basically free to play but to hang you gotta drop hundreds in competitions.
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I'm worried that this will become a pure money grab like those games are. Basically free to play but to hang you gotta drop hundreds in competitions.
One could argue they are already doing that with Amiibo.
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I hope that phone crap ends up like the CD-i.

I'll never play anything on a phone.
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Old 03-17-2015, 06:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
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They've been talking about a successor for months. Mobile is a curious choice for
them to move to. They have their amazing track record in the past for quality
mobile platforms so I'm gonna have to give it a wait.

@Brawl: Mobile games can be great, it's not a guaranteed failure of a platform.
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Even when Yamauchi stepped down as the chairmen (he felt he was too old), he still remained on the board and still had the largest say in the company (as the largest share holder) until his death in 2013. Iwata was Yamauchi's selection and as such, giving Japan's old, formal business practices, wasn't ever in any threat to be removed as Chief Executive Officer. Both Yamauchi and Iwata were against the concept of spreading their intellectual properties on competitive devices. They were/are afraid of watering down the product line, in a sense.

When Yamauchi passed away, his shares in NLC were parceled out among family members. His majority share was split up between enough family members that not a single member of the Yamauchi family still have a seat. The largest shareholder of Nintendo is now State Street Bank and Trust Company which owns 9.14% of the company. Sauce: IR Information : Stock Information - Status of Shares

The deal was in sense a partial merger/acquisition. DeNA (pronounced DNA) will acquire the right to use Nintendo IPs for their mobile division, Mobage. DeNA • Home In return DeNA will use their expertise in online infrastructure and e-commerce to "jointly develop and operate a new membership service that encompasses smart devices and dedicated gaming systems."

Nintendo and DeNA will each purchase 22 billion yen worth of stock from the other. This will make Nintendo the second largest shareholder of DeNA and DeNA the tenth largest shareholder of Nintendo. Iwata has stated that no current games will be brought to smart devices and future smart device games will be made separate and specifically for those devices with no exception to the IP.

Project NX, the next Nintendo gaming system was also announced most likely to alleviate concerns of Nintendo focusing solely on smart devices. Iwata has stated that Project NX will be discussed more in 2016.

My personal speculation is that NX stands for Nintendo Cross and that the next device will be the home/handheld cross platform device that I've predicted for years now.
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I haven't kept up. The Wii U tablet controller gimmick never was a success right? Is it considered a bad idea and failure by most?
From what I see on gaming sites it's considered a flop unless you're talking to hardcore Nintendo fans. Even then though people seem to agree that it wasn't this big awesome innovation besides being able to switch from TV to tablet seamlessly(I think it's this good, not sure).

For some reason I like to read console war topics and in almost every one people are just talking about MS and Sony. PC isn't a fair comparison, obviously, and WiiU is considered to be inferior because the only notable stuff they have is their IPs like Mario and Zelda. Mocking Nintendos third party support is very common.

Me personally I think they flopped. I give them credit for always trying something different but this time it just didn't catch on. I hope they get their act together and do something to repair their usual iron clad reputation for games. I may not be in their demographic anymore but someday my kid probably will be. He's not getting a COD box.
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I'll never see them as anything but Flash-tier garbage that some 17 year old could code in his basement.


I, for one, am looking forward to some quality games to re-imagine the market as one that can offer enjoyable titles that don't insist on you paying for extra lives.

But I am skeptical as well. Pokemon Shuffle is free to play on the 3DS and it's garbage.
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One could argue they are already doing that with Amiibo.
They're essentially physical dlc, however they're actually used for more than that in display, you also can account it to world of nintendo franchise as a money grab as well if you want to classify anything like that as a cash grab.

To me, anything non physical is a money grab when you have nothing to show for it. Not just events to get the top 5 and get an exclusive pixels.

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But I am skeptical as well. Pokemon Shuffle is free to play on the 3DS and it's garbage.
i disagree. If it was a $30 game I'd agree but for it being free I think it's great. However it's freemium as it entices you to spend for more turns. Also the fact I love puzzle type games like Yoshi's cookie.

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I can see why they were reluctant. Nintendo games are a perfect fit for phones BUT they will directly compete with 3ds and they are probably very worried about cheapening their IPs' reputation. Nintendo's biggest asset is the reputation you can't go wrong purchasing a game staring Mario

They said they announced NX at same time as the move to phones to reassure everyone they are not abandoning dedicated hardware. Sounds to me like it will be a Wii U replacement.
I agree. It's to not cause stock to fall thinking nintendo is bowing out of the console industry. I also think tenser is right about cross platforming.

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What do you think/hope "a brand new concept" could possibly mean? I imagine it is another gimmick and not an attempt to compete with Sony/MS on hardware specs.
as long as they quit the gimmicks and focus on real gaming I'll be a fan. I skipped wii u because it was a gimmick but will pick it up once prices are very low.
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My personal speculation is that NX stands for Nintendo Cross and that the next device will be the home/handheld cross platform device that I've predicted for years now.
1. Nintendo did not state whether the NX would be the successor to the 3DS or Wuu.

2. Nintendo concentrated on the term "game platform" rather than "game device."

3. Late 2016 seems like an optimal time to release a new handheld to the aging 3DS and a new console to the ailing Wuu.

4. Nintendo merged its handheld and console divisions in early 2013.

5. The New 3DS mimics the controls of the Wuu. (ZL/ZR and second analog).

6. Nintendo would not have to support two devices with first party titles.

7. Both the Vita and Gamepad demonstrate that the technology now exists to do so.

8. Nintendo is experimenting with bringing console experiences to handheld devices. DKCR3D and Xenoblade.
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Not even 3 years on the market for the Wii U before its successor is announced.
I'm shocked, but not shocked. I figured this would just be another Gamecube that they'd stand by for the typical duration of a console generation.

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They said they announced NX at same time as the move to phones to reassure everyone they are not abandoning dedicated hardware. Sounds to me like it will be a Wii U replacement.
The first, makes sense. Message pretty well received I'm sure. That latter, maybe? I mean obviously yes, a successor, and early for sure. However maybe there is an overlap of the two. Or an attempt at an overlap. Will be interesting to see.

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One could argue they are already doing that with Amiibo.
Yes and no. Yes the Amiibo bit is (I think) a pretty useless peripheral that's a money grab based off the success of skylanders. Only the features involved in Amiibo are intensely limited. Moreso high-priced nice looking display figurines. All I've seen anyone use them for in person. Anyways. Easy money grab, but they've been so questionable in the way that they've gone about business in recent time, amiibo being one fo them. Why keep discontinuing certain figurines? The appeal of "Limited time" is there for some I guess, but they'd sell more in the long run from a continued supply. From a money standpoint, why discontinue figurines is all I'm saying.

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Project NX, the next Nintendo gaming system was also announced most likely to alleviate concerns of Nintendo focusing solely on smart devices. Iwata has stated that Project NX will be discussed more in 2016.
Probably a 2017-2018 release? Oddly enough, that's normal console lifespan for the Wiiu. Really doesn't seem like it.

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For some reason I like to read console war topics and in almost every one people are just talking about MS and Sony. PC isn't a fair comparison, obviously, and WiiU is considered to be inferior because the only notable stuff they have is their IPs like Mario and Zelda. Mocking Nintendos third party support is very common.

Me personally I think they flopped. I give them credit for always trying something different but this time it just didn't catch on. I hope they get their act together and do something to repair their usual iron clad reputation for games. I may not be in their demographic anymore but someday my kid probably will be. He's not getting a COD box.
Seems about right. I personally get enjoyment out of the Wiiu. That said I really don't find myself using it much. I think I'm still under 20 hours in what would be considered the games top titles.

I've largely moved on to PC as well. Wiiu being the only console I got and will get for the first party games. I don't see much point in consoles anymore, Wiiu somehow bypassing that out of past love for the company and it's games I guess. Not happy with a lot of their business decisions though (Gamecube adapter support abysmal, Amiibos, No charger in new 3ds??).

I'll probably buy whatever this next console is for the same reason, but we'll see. I can get a lot of similar games on the PC largely for next to nothing.

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1. Nintendo did not state whether the NX would be the successor to the 3DS or Wuu.
I don't pay much attention, but isn't the 3DS having massive success? At most I could see NX as a handheld just being an upgraded 3DS much akin to DS>DSi or whatever that was.

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