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Old 04-23-2012, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

I love Final Fantasy Tactics. And you do, too, because you're a good person who enjoys good things.

One thing about Tactics that's always rubbed many people the wrong way is its nebulous ending. In the final battles of the game, protagonist Ramza Beoulve and his combat retinue of shield-breaking ninja mimes travels into the Airship Graveyard, a realm beyond time and space, where they face off against a resurrected false Messiah and save the world (or at least Ivalice). But Ramza and his party are seemingly trapped there when one of the villain's chief cronies destroys the magic sigil that transported everyone to that extradimensional space... and when the load-bearing boss is defeated and the walls come down, one can only assume the worst.

Later, narrator-by-proxy Orran Durai thinks he sees Ramza and his sister Alma while attending the siblings' funeral, watching their own burial Tom Sawyer-like on chocobo-back from a distance. But Durai doesn't quite seem to trust his eyes, and the Beoulve siblings disappear into the mist, leaving the chronicler of the Zodiac Brave Story to wonder if he simply imagined seeing their ghosts. This lends an extra sense of poignance to the game's coda, in which the manipulative Delita Hyral (who's managed to work his way up to the position of king) deflects his wife's enraged assassination attempt by reciprocally killing her before wondering aloud if his old friend's Ramza's earnest pursuit of justice was the proper life choice after all. We know Delita survives his stab wound, since the game's opening refers to his long and peaceful reign, but we also realize that his life is doomed to be hollow for all that he sacrificed in his ascent to the throne. Ramza, on the other hand, may have died young, but he did so surrounded by loyal friends, family, and allies.

But did he die? It turns out this is less of an unresolved mystery than you might think! A friend of mine just sent me a link to the Twitter feed of Tactics writer and director Yasumi Matsuno, where someone asked him point-blank a couple of months ago about Ramza's fate. And Matsuno gave a surprisingly direct answer:



So now you know.

Still doesn't explain where Red XIII's cubs came from at the end of Final Fantasy VII, though. Dude was last of his kind! Are talking cat-people parthenogenic? Did Hojo manage to get the cross-species breeding thing working after all? Enquiring minds want to know.



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Old 04-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

I'm confused?
Does this mean that he is neither dead nor alive? Could that mean that he is in the rift/void/whatever like Gilgamesh?
I mean, he "is not dead, alive properly," so that's the only explanation.
For such a "straightforward answer" it clears up very little.
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Re: Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

I think that's just poor translation/trouble with the language on his part. Sounds like he's saying he survived and left the area.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

It looks like he's saying that, were Ramza alive, he'd be on an adventure.

I liked the nebulous ending.
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Re: Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

I don't remember it being a mystery. I always thought he lived but didn't wanna reveal himself for some reason.
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I thought he died.
It's like the ending of Cowboy Bebop, it could go either way.
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Re: Final Fantasy Tactics: Another Mystery Solved

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I thought he died.
It's like the ending of Cowboy Bebop, it could go either way.
I'm pretty sure that he's presented as dead in Cowboy Bebop. There was a lot of build up foreshadowing death anyways.

Should this thread have the word *Spoilers* added to it?
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I'm pretty sure that he's presented as dead in Cowboy Bebop.
Nope, it's never explicitly stated that he's dead. We don't actually know.
Which is why people argue over it.

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Final Fantasy Tactics came out over ten years ago, so I don't think so.
Think about it, anyone who is interested has either beat the game or had it spoiled by now.
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Final Fantasy Tactics came out over ten years ago, so I don't think so.
Think about it, anyone who is interested has either beat the game or had it spoiled by now.
I only asked because we'll probably reference to a lot of ambiguous endings before this thread is over.

Also, I agree that it's not explicitly stated that he's dead, nor can I say with certainty that he is in fact dead, but I think we're left to assume as much. He had tied up all loose ends in his life, and at the very least I think it would have been a fitting time for him to pass on. It also fulfills the prophecy at the beginning of the series.
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Also, I agree that it's not explicitly stated that he's dead, nor can I say with certainty that he is in fact dead, but I think we're left to assume as much. He had tied up all loose ends in his life, and at the very least I think it would have been a fitting time for him to pass on. It also fulfills the prophecy at the beginning of the series.
That's how I look at it, but he still could have lived.
I think he died because there was literally no reason for him to go on living, so he'd embrace death.
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I had no doubt that he survived and just disappeared like Elvis.
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I had no doubt that he survived and just disappeared like Elvis.
Who? Ramza?
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No, Tom Sawyer.
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No, Tom Sawyer.
I'm actually half way through that book as we speak... I guess those robbers catch poor Tom...
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... I guess those robbers catch poor Tom...
And since he didn't have any money, take a guess at what they stole from him.
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I enjoyed the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn more than Tom Sawyer.

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I enjoyed the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn more than Tom Sawyer.
I agree with this.
I found that there was more depth in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn than in Tom Sawyer. You know, the whole slavery thing and Huck realizing that black people are people too. And the part about the futility of entering feuds, amongst other things.
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It was more mature as a whole than Sawyer.
Sawyer was the book for kids, and Finn was the big brother of Sawyer. It's a more interesting and fluid read than Sawyer, though, that's not to say Sawyer is a bad read, either.
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