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Old 11-02-2011, 09:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

"No, we didn't make that up. This comes from a London Games Conference survey of 1,000 people who work within the video game industry, who filled out a questionnaire ahead of the event's November 10 start.

Of those polled, 26 percent feel Steve Jobs has had the biggest impact on gaming. Valve's Gabe Newell followed him with 16 percent, while Nintendo's own Shigeru Miyamoto grabbed seven percent, Tim Berners-Lee four per cent and Mark Zuckerberg (Really?) three per cent.

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But wait, it gets a bit worse. Seventeen percent of those participants voted the iPhone as the number one product that shaped games, followed by the Wii with seven percent, Xbox Live with three percent, the original PlayStation with three percent and Steam with two percent, which ultimately begs the following question: who are these people?"

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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

Why not iPhone? It's pretty much become its own games industry, achieving a bigger market than any dedicated video game device that came before it, without Apple even trying. Angry Birds has sold more in a few years than all Mario games combined for the past 30.
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Why not iPhone? It's pretty much become its own games industry, achieving a bigger market than any dedicated video game device that came before it, without Apple even trying. Angry Birds has sold more in a few years than all Mario games combined for the past 30.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

I can't tell whether you disagree with me or if you just disapprove of what I said being true.
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

Yeah the Iphone is notable but did it really shape gaming? I think it did in a way(like zuckerberg with facebook) but it should not be above other influences that obviously did more to actually change anything. Iphone is just digital download portable games, nothing groundbreaking unless I'm forgetting something?
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

It's managed to get a bigger audience for its games in the past few years than the rest of the games industry in its entire history, with no dedicated targeting from Apple. I think that says something.
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

It does but the question they were asked was about shaping gaming. I don't think it really changed anything. It'd be like saying Facebook shaped gaming more than nintendo because billions of people play farmville.
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

Facebook has had a bigger effect than you think. It revived the social gaming model, which had largely been forgotten by traditional developers in favor of a single player experience. They forgot that gamers like to show off their acheivements and share their progress with other players. Farmville and co, with all its purported annoyance boxes, manages to let users do just that, and now the old developers have switched to the dark side, so to speak, jumping on the bandwagon and all of the new features and revenue models it offers.

And before you bash Facebook gaming, know that there are lots of good games on there, Bejeweled is a fantastic game. It supports high score boards viewable by everyone, just like online gaming, just like here on Retrouprising.

There was a time a few years ago when I would walk into the school computer labs and everyone was on Facebook playing Farmville. It was surreal. To get millions of people playing the same game at the same time, that had never been acheived on such a scale before. How is that not a game changer?

And now iPhone. Before it, mobile gaming on cell phones was stuck back in the equivalent of the Stone Age. And here comes Apple, offering a device with competent games for the low, low price of just dollars or less, or free. You get games with new controls and with larger screens and better graphics than dedicated portables. And it is with you wherever you go, accessible whenever you want.
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LOL at this article.
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Angry Birds has sold more in a few years than all Mario games combined for the past 30.
Yeah, I'm really doubting this. Care to back that up with actual figures?

Rovio is a troll and anyone who believes Angry Birds has sold 500 million units is just drinking the koolaid. There's never been an outside source to back up that imaginary number of theirs. In fact Apple, it's likely largest market has said they've only sold 12 million units from their app store.

You'll have to show me where the other 488 million units come from. First, start off with beating 40.24 million, which is SMB1.
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Yeah, I'm really doubting this. Care to back that up with actual figures?

Rovio is a troll and anyone who believes Angry Birds has sold 500 million units is just drinking the koolaid. There's never been an outside source to back up that imaginary number of theirs. In fact Apple, it's likely largest market has said they've only sold 12 million units from their app store.

You'll have to show me where the other 488 million units come from. First, start off with beating 40.24 million, which is SMB1.
I was thinking the same thing, I'm really starting to get sick of these random numbers that are being taken for fact. If someone simply uses common sense then a more accurate number can probably be surmised. For example I know probably 6 or so people who bought the latest COD, out of the less then 10 million sold, I know nobnody who bought Angry Birds.
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I know noone that has bought COD, I know at least one person that bought AB. I think I might know 2 others that also bought AB.

I agree, I need much more evidence to believe Angry Birds sold 500 million copies. Unless everyone worldwide with a smart phone bought 1.2 copies of this game then they are lying.

I agree the article is crap, but it is a wake up call. The major developers are doing something wrong. And that has been discussed in depth in other threads.
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I thought AB was a kids show when I saw them at my work as keychains..
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Yeah, I'm really doubting this. Care to back that up with actual figures?

Rovio is a troll and anyone who believes Angry Birds has sold 500 million units is just drinking the koolaid. There's never been an outside source to back up that imaginary number of theirs. In fact Apple, it's likely largest market has said they've only sold 12 million units from their app store.

You'll have to show me where the other 488 million units come from. First, start off with beating 40.24 million, which is SMB1.
It's Time to Stop Ignoring Angry Birds - Features at GameSpot

?Angry Birds? Maker May Hold IPO in 2012, Mighty Eagle Says - Bloomberg

Israeli Angry Birds satire goes viral (36 million last November)

Angry Birds tops 500 million downloads - Yahoo! Finance

I'll admit, I missed the part where Bloomberg mentions the "paid or free" part.
And it is also across all mobile devices, not just iPhone.

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For example I know probably 6 or so people who bought the latest COD, out of the less then 10 million sold, I know nobnody who bought Angry Birds.
The hardcore gamer type has a some kind of complex that requires them to stand their ground and defend their precious traditional hardcore games industry, and deny any connection to casual gaming, to the point where they are unable to process the fact that there are several good games in that market. Their loss.
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That says 500 Million DOWNLOADS. That is vastly different than # sold or # of users or # of physical copies.

Also they are selling for between free and $2. I don't think that is exactly fair to compare to copies sold of a $50 game. Needs to be measured in net sales or net profit. Maybe they would win when measured that way too, but win or lose that is how it should be compared IMO.

There are expected to be 440 Million smart phones in existence world wide by the end of the year. I think it is nearly impossible that there are more Angry Bird owners than there are smart phone owners. That just wouldn't make sense.
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I'm not so sure if it's the quality of the game that is selling itself or rather some ingenious marketing tactics that are more focused on making money then selling a game. I'm actually okay with many of these games... I just feel I've seen many of these before and wonder how it didn't work prior. This is actually related to any concern I have with Minecraft. Basically hype. How does it work?

EDIT: Oh and yeah I meant the information, not you.
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Re: Apple's Steve Jobs A Bigger Influence To Gaming Than Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto

Sources are questionable.

Gamestop is sourcing Bloomberg.
Bloomberg is just sourcing Rovio.
Digital Trends cites Rovio's Blog.
Yahoo Finance cites Rovio as well.

This is not an impartial source:
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"Yahoo said the Rovio said" is not an outside source. I believe Rovio's numbers as much as I believe Iwata's.

@Kong: Also remember 440 million smartphones in existance is in no way equal to 440 million smartphones in use.
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I just want to point out that people with a few games on their phone are not gamers, they are people with phones with a few games on it. I think the buzz about phones taking over the market is absolute crap. They are not taking people from the big 3's market, they are creating their own, that market being people with a few games on their phone.

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I'm not so sure if it's the quality of the game that is selling itself or rather some ingenious marketing tactics that are more focused on making money then selling a game. I'm actually okay with many of these games... I just feel I've seen many of these before and wonder how it didn't work prior. This is actually related to any concern I have with Minecraft. Basically hype. How does it work?

EDIT: Oh and yeah I meant the information, not you.
When they tell the world that 500 million people have downloaded it makes the consumer think they are doing something wrong by not downloading it.

And yes, it was just marketing, I think it's just a re-skinned Crush the Castle, which might have been a re-skinned something else.
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:54 PM   #19 (permalink)
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@Kong: Also remember 440 million smartphones in existance is in no way equal to 440 million smartphones in use.
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There are expected to be 440 Million smart phones in existence world wide by the end of the year.
I meant there is expected to be 449 million smart phone users by the end of the year.
Source: Global Smartphone Market Sizing | Scribd

Original point stands: It is nearly impossible that there are more Angry Bird owners than there are smart phone owners.
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That says 500 Million DOWNLOADS. That is vastly different than # sold or # of users or # of physical copies.
Super Mario Bros. was packed in with the NES. Should that count as a sale?
There are also at least three revisions of the game that I know of. SMB standalone, SMB/Duck Hunt, SMB/Duck Hunt/Track & Field. I can't recall if they were pack-ins. Should all those count combined?
SMB1 is available in digital form on the Wii Virtual Console. It appears that it will also come to 3DS as a download. Should those count as sales?

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Also they are selling for between free and $2. I don't think that is exactly fair to compare to copies sold of a $50 game. Needs to be measured in net sales or net profit. Maybe they would win when measured that way too, but win or lose that is how it should be compared IMO.
Angry Birds cost $140k to create. In March it was reported to have generated $70 million in sales, a 500x profit margin. And that was back in March.

Angry Birds 'One of the Most Profitable Games in History' - IndustryGamers

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There are expected to be 440 Million smart phones in existence world wide by the end of the year. I think it is nearly impossible that there are more Angry Bird owners than there are smart phone owners. That just wouldn't make sense.
Angry Birds is available on more than just smart phones. Tablets are another huge industry that you're forgetting. It's also available in the Chrome browser shop for in-browser play. Who knows how many devices you can get it on.

Just to be clear I picked iPhone, because it was the first to open up the mobile market. Tablets, Android, everything mobile that exists today came because of that first step. That's why it is a game changer.
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Okay well let's count SMB rom downloads too then, I know just myself have downloaded it at least a dozen times. If you want to include hacks then I'm probably into the thousands.

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Point is you can't compare downloads that vary in price from free to 5 dollars, to off the shelf purchases at 30-60 dollars. It's extremely ignorant of Rovio to even mention their name in the same sentence as Mario, let alone claim to be the Mario killer.

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The original SMB could be classified as a "Killer App" as well that sold a lot of NES units.

I don't think people are buying iPhone to play Angry Birds.

Also I think it is fair to say it has played a role in Shaping the industry but to say it has had the biggest role is ludicrous in my opinion.
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I don't think people are buying iPhone to play Angry Birds.
I don't know if kids were getting a NES to play Super Mario Bros., but no one will ever be able to tell because when you bought the system, you got the game whether you liked it or not. At the very least people are buying Angry Birds as a separate purchase from their phone/tablet/whatever.

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Also I think it is fair to say it has played a role in Shaping the industry but to say it has had the biggest role is ludicrous in my opinion.
It's all opinion and perspective. Times are changing, and the article did well to end on this note:

"What we don't like is the suggestion that such results are a sign of the times, and that over the next several years, a new generation of gamers will associate their favorite hobby with Apple, and not old stalwarts like Nintendo, Sega and Capcom."

Too bad if those old companies can't keep up.


Anyways, I think I am misunderstood and/or the topic has deviated.
My point was never to decide "Iphone is more revolutionary than NES", but why iPhone would be considered in the same light by today's players and developers.
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LOL these idoits ranked Mark Zuckerberg comming in at number 5 in this list, if that fact doesnt completely discredit the poll then nothing will.
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If those schmucks knew about RU they'd put Kong ahead of Zuckerberg.
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