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Old 01-04-2011, 01:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Haggle

-=EDIT=-

The game has started. No more sign ups.

The current hands.

Pieman: QH,10C, 4H,3D,7C,4S,10S

SFF: QD, 3C,10D, 8D, 8S

Tanc: AC,KC,QC,JC,10C,AS,KS,QS,AD,5C,5S,5D,5H

SC: JH,6C,QC,10H,4C,QC

Joz: JS,7D, JC, 4D,3H,KC

Dude: JD,8C,3S,KH,QC

Demon: 6D,6S,AH,9S,8H

Bagel: 9C,9H,9D,6C,7C,JokerS,JokerD

-=End Edit=-

This should be a fairly easy and fun game. It is called "Haggle" and is an old game from the 60's.

You must sign up by Sunday, the 9th of January, to play. Just post in this thread that you want to play.

C = Clubs = Black
D = Diamonds = Red
H = Hearts = Red
S = Spades = Black
J = Jack
Q = Queen
K = King
A = Ace

I will give each person 6 cards by publicly posting them in this thread. Example you could receive:
5H, JS, AD, 3C, 4H, and 5C.

I will PM each person links to 3 secret rules. The secret rule will explain how much each card is worth.

Example one person could receive a PM that says:
Rule #3. Diamonds are worth twice as many as Clubs.
Rule #7. You must have an ace to get any points.
Rule # 6. 10s are worth 10 points.

Another person could receive a PM that says:
Rule #4. Aces are worth negative one point.
Rule #5. If you don't have any 3s the Clubs are worth 3 extra points.
Rule #13. Jacks are worth twice as much as 10s.

Those are not the real rules, just examples of what a secret clue would look like.

Once you receive your cards and secret clue you must trade cards or info to build the best hand.

Please do not give your cards/info away for the sole purpose of helping someone else. That would give them an unfair advantage. Try to always make trades that you feel are likely to be beneficial to yourself.

You can make deals in secret or public. In PMs, Chat, or this thread.

When you give a card to another player you must announce it in this thread. Example:
If I trade Tenser my Ace of Diamonds for his rule #3, I would post here "I give my AD to Tenser, I now have 5H, JS, 3C, 4H, 5C." Tenser would PM me the link to rule #3. Tenser could be a jerk and refuse to give me his secret rule, but once I post "I give my AD to Tenser" he has it. I can not take it back unless he volunteers to give it to me later.

You can not discard cards.

You can lie, cheat and swindle. The secret rules will be links to hidden pages so you can tell if they are official or not.

All of the secret rules affect your final score whether you know the rule or not.

Whoever has the most points on Sunday, the 16 of January, wins.

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Old 01-04-2011, 01:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm in, any game where I can lie, cheat and swindle is fine by me.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Is this easier than it sounds? I'm no idiot but I have trouble with complicated card games. Now before you make fun of me for that remember,
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Is this easier than it sounds?
All you do is negotiate and trade cards. Not too hard. The interesting/fun part is everyone has different clues to work with. No one person will know all of the rules.

You could actually do nothing at all and still have a chance of winning, although the person that puts some effort into it will probably have a much better chance at winning.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:18 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Eh what the hell I'm in too then.
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Umm. This isn't going to work very well with just 4 people. Would be cool if we could get up to around 10 or so. Anyone else want in?
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm in! I just have one question. If i message Dudebro and we agree to trade my AS for his 10S, and then I post "I give my AS to Dudebro, and now I have AD, 4S, 3D, 7H, and 5D," does he have to give me his 10S?
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Give it a couple more days Kong. You're in charge, drag it out as long as you need to and bump it whenever you feel like it. Who's gonna stop you?
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I need to get active again. Count me in.

The only question I have is about sharing the secret "rules". I'm sure it will be clarified as the game progresses.

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Old 01-05-2011, 07:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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One other rule. You can not give someone a card unless they have already agreed to take it. You can not lie and say they agreed to take it when they did not and you can not lie and say you did not agree when you did. You can't force someone to take a card against their will.

@Pieman, no, everyone is free to lie and cheat. That means Dudebro could agree to give you a card in a PM but you don't get his card until he actually follows through and officially gives you the card in this thread.

There probably wont be too many times when people don't honor their trades, especially at first. You don't want to get labeled early on as a cheater or else no one would want to trade with you.

Figuring out how to trust someone is part of the game.

@Tanc. There will be links to each secret rule. Each person will receive 3 links in PM. As part of a trade you can give one of those links to other people. Once they have the link they can read the secret rule and know that it is real and choose to trade it to other people.

You could also just tell them what the secret rule is without giving them the link, but that would be less valuable since they wouldn't know if you were lying or not and they wouldn't be able to trade the link to others in future trades.
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OK. Thanks Kong! This seems like a lot fun!
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Old 01-06-2011, 05:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'll give it a go.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm going to start this tomorrow afternoon.

We have 7 people so far. I prefer couple more people sign up in the next 12 hours but if not 7 will do.

The players.
stevencassidy13
StarfoxFan2009
Demon-Mask
Dudebro
pieman124
tanc24
jozman3000

---------- Post added 01-09-2011 at 12:23 PM ---------- Previous post was 01-08-2011 at 10:33 PM ----------

There are 46 rules.
I PM'd everyone 6 different secret rule links.
Everyone knows a different portion of the rules. Your goal is to haggle with each other in order to learn the secret rules and gain cards that will help you score the most points.

The game starts now. It ends in one week. The cards you have next Sunday will be used to calculate your score. Good luck.

The starting hands.

stevencassidy13

JH,6C,10S,2S,KS,10H,4C

StarfoxFan2009

3H,4S,10D,JC,5S,5H,AD

Demon-Mask

2D,6D,6S,AH,9S,KC,8H

Dudebro

2H,8C,8S,8D,7H,QD,3S

pieman124

KD,10C,4H,3D,7C,3C,QC

tanc24

5D,2C,AC,QS,JD,6H,5C

jozman3000

KH,AS,JS,7D,6H,4D,QH

I will try to keep the first post of this thread updated with the current hands.

---------- Post added at 09:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 PM ----------

Winnebagel was out of town and just barely missed the sign up cut off time. I went ahead and sent him his 6 secret rules and here are his 7 cards.

Winnebagel
9C,9H,9D,6C,7C,JokerS,JokerD


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Now that I understand how this works it seems much easier. Anyone interested in trades let me know here or by PM, I'm ready.
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Questions: Say someone makes a trade and they could have taken advantage, but didn't know about that a rule. Can they take advantage of it later on or must it be done during that same trade?
Can we have more than 6 cards in our hand?

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Now that I understand how this works it seems much easier.
Good. I was starting to worry that I had made it too complicated.


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Say someone makes a trade and they could have taken advantage, but didn't know about that a rule. Can they take advantage of it later on or must it be done during that same trade?
Some rules are triggered by an event. Those types of rules can only be used at the time of the specific event. You must be aware of the rule at the time that the event happened to use it. You can choose to not use those types of rules if you want.

Most rules have no effect until the game is over. The effect of those rules happens whether you are aware of them or not.

Think of it this way, in order to use a rule you must be aware of the rule at the time of the trigger. All end game rules are played by me and I am aware of all rules.

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Can we have more than 6 cards in our hand?
Yes, there are no limits.

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so basically I have to state the rule when it applies?
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Re: Haggle

Correct.
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I just read through my secret rules. I don't even know where to begin.
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I just read through my secret rules. I don't even know where to begin.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Haggle

I have traded my 3 of Hearts and Rule #46 to Pieman for his King of Diamonds

so i now have: KD,4S,10D,JC,5S,5H,AD
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I now have H3,10C,4H,3D,7C,3C,QC
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Re: Haggle

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You can choose to not use those types of rules if you want.
So what you're saying is we can choose not to activate the rule even if it negatively effects us but if we do use it we have to make it public knowledge?

@everyone else- I got three eights, anyone interested in trading for one? I realize I could be screwing myself if there's some triple points score or something but I'm already tired of sitting on these cards!
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