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Clinton 2 13.33%
Trump 5 33.33%
None of the above 8 53.33%
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2016 Presidential Candidates

A test like https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz should be mandatory before voting.

I got 93% Bernie. 70% Hillary. 65% Rand. 30% Trump.

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Old 08-24-2015, 04:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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97% Bernie.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

84% Jeb Bush
79% Marco Rubio
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

Bernie's a little higher than I expected him to be. Interesting.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

Bernie 93% Clinton 88% Paul 69% Trump 44%(/vomit)
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

Who the heck came up with this poll, Bernie Sanders' camp? Apparently I agree with just about everybody.

1. Sanders - 77%
2. Hillary - 76%
3. Jeb Bush - 76%
4. Huckabee - 74%
5. Trump - 71%
6. Paul - 69%
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Who the heck came up with this poll, Bernie Sanders' camp?
Why, do you think the questions are loaded or something? If I recall right RU users tend to be liberal(by the US standard at least) so these results aren't surprising.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

No, I'm not surprised at all at the liberal tilt. I'm usually right in the middle, but slightly liberal socially. I'm surprised so many people hit Sanders as #1.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

Seems like Bernies team knows how to win over the internet liberals
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

91% Rand
70% Jeb
58% Trump
57% Retarded (it Berns)

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On a side note, when did capitalism become bad here and everyone's turned into literally a bunch of communists? I wasn't alive at the time, but wasn't the whole sentiment against communism/socialism during the cold war?
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On a side note, when did capitalism become bad here and everyone's turned into literally a bunch of communists? I wasn't alive at the time, but wasn't the whole sentiment against communism/socialism during the cold war?
When everyone grew up and realized there's more to life than just looking out for yourself.

The modern culture is too well informed. Knowledge begets liberalism, hence the right-wingers are forced to rely on the informational sheltered and easily frightened; religious zealots and baby boomers.

It's a downward spiral for the conservative party. To appeal to their base they have to take absurd stances against obvious advancements to our society such as stem cell research and gay marriage. This only serves to make the right look even more out-of-touch to any mentally stable and educated person under the age of 40.

Maybe if the Republicans weren't focused on bible thumping and war mongering their other messages of fiscal responsibility and personal freedoms would be better received?
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Strong anti-communism/socialism sentiment is/was created by massive government propaganda. If something is so horrible then it shouldn't take that much manipulation to convince the average person. In pure capitalism corporations are more powerful than voters. Doubt in that is supported nearly entirely by propaganda.

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness" ~ Jefferson's original draft.

Every law should be judged by that declaration.

I do not deserve more because I am a healthy, straight, white, male born in America. If a law rewards me for winning the birth lottery then the law is wrong.

Some label that belief socialism. I call it a sacred belief that all humans deserve an equal chance for a good life regardless of how lucky they were during birth.
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Well you aren't created equal and you don't deserve to live if you can't provide for yourself what you need... the socialist disease is a big part entitlement. Your ideals are to steal from the better off (at gunpoint I might add), to feed the underserving. Disgusting really. Capitalism is the only truly fair system, coupled with a sound money, and everything would work out perfectly. I'm in favor of monarchy or feudalism more than democracy. The free market will determine who *should* be in charge and who shouldnt
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How can anyone say this with a straight face? That's the same as saying "I'd rather be ruled over by an elite group of rich people than be free." Surely you're trolling?
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@david. You think if someone is not capable of feeding themselves then they should starve to death while society watches and does nothing to help?

The difference between someone that is successful and someone that needs help is entirely luck of birth. You did not earn your privilege it was given to you by randomness.

If you were not yet born and had the potential of being any baby in the world, then you would chose the best outcome for everyone, fewer multi-billionaires and more people with their basic human needs met. That you would choose something different after you know the results of your lucky birth is cheating.


Pure capitalism results in corporations being more important than real humans.

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Obviously feudalism is great if you are a noble, but would you choose feudalism if you had a 9 to 1 chance of being a peasant?
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No, what you imply is that because someone is starving to death you threaten another's life to feed him. People don't deserve a 'fair start' etc. I would choose the more fair system, not arbitrarily beating up the successful because I'm part of an unwashed mass.

Socialism is as far from freedom as you can get, democracy puts your idiot neighbors in charge, with sound money the kings or lords will be in charge for a reason, unlike this entirely bezzle economy that runs on perpetual debt. The guy with a hamburger sees a starving man, he destroys it away after the starving man asks for it, would you decide to enact violence on him because of this? Im not saying its wrong to help the needy or demonizing them, my point is that socialism promotes being poor, and is not morally upheld. Its a disgusting system.

Everyone *isn't* a special snowflake, you *don't* deserve any standards of living, and its up to you to make it or not. You're alone on an island what do you do? Work. Handicapped or mentally ill? You die. When you really get down to it, if the money is sound, and by that I mean almost literally bitcoin (accountability, impossible to steal or counterfeit, etc), then you will see a ruling class emerge, and they will be there for the right reasons. No king who starts bullshit wars and wastes and impoverishes his kingdom will be a king for long, you know?

And as far as the whole capitalism will lead to corporations having more power than votes.. good. A bribe run system is more desired than democracy, and corporations themselves are a product of the state and the bezzle economy.

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Pretty much the importance of people will be determined on their holdings of wealth, the way it should be.
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Davidman you seem to be missing something in this big picture. You live in a society, you are not surviving on your own. In order for you do well your society must do well. If everyone just thinks of themselves then nothing will get done and people will suffer. Also you seem to be working under the assumption that most poor people will wanna stay poor just because they get government assistance. That's just not true. That's like judging all rich people because of the ones who are criminals. I've been dirt poor, I've known lots of dirt poor people. They are ashamed to get welfare and the like. They don't wanna be poor. But they also don't want their kids to go hungry and they're doing the best they can. Shit happens, not everyone has a great start in life. You judging them all as worthless is pretty offensive.

Our shared history shows us what happens when the rich control the poor. The rich do horrible things to them and they can't fight back, until they do and then everyone suffers even more.

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Do you even get what this means? If they are allowed to have lots of power they will ruin the planet and fuck over everyone just to make more money. Imagine this, a struggling poor family(not even on welfare!) has a big polluting chemical planet move in next door. They can't afford to move and the corporation isn't abiding by emission laws because no one can do shit to them. What should they do? Should we say oh well and blame them for not trying harder or something?

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Then it will turn into might makes right and 99% of us will suffer. I doubt you're significantly wealthy so you'll be in the gutter with the rest of us.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Canadiates

Huckabee 74%
Bernie 70%
Clinton 70%
Trump 64%

This poll is definitely slanted towards certain candidates.
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They are worthless, by definition.

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Our shared history shows us what happens when the rich control the poor. The rich do horrible things to them and they can't fight back, until they do and then everyone suffers even more.
Those evil evil rich people. Like I said a lot of the atrocities are only possible through the bezzle system. People acting inside their rational self interest helps everyone. The rich should control the poor, assuming the money is sound. It is a disgusting notion to say you should steal from them. Robin hood was nothing but a glorified thief. You should not have a vote in how your country runs simply by existing. You aren't owed anything.

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Do you even get what this means? If they are allowed to have lots of power they will ruin the planet and fuck over everyone just to make more money. Imagine this, a struggling poor family(not even on welfare!) has a big polluting chemical planet move in next door. They can't afford to move and the corporation isn't abiding by emission laws because no one can do shit to them. What should they do? Should we say oh well and blame them for not trying harder or something?
They would probably already be slaves, but assuming they weren't already, they could sell themselves to someone more rich. Contracts, etc. 'indentured servitude' if you will.


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Then it will turn into might makes right and 99% of us will suffer. I doubt you're significantly wealthy so you'll be in the gutter with the rest of us.
Lol and what, might doesn't already make right? Or it shouldn't? Come now, that's just silly. Like I said capitalism is the only fair system, and it is the best system for the poor. Just watch as this unsustainable socialist hell hole starts to crumble and turn into mexico or w/e... although if all goes according to plan I should be better off than most ^_^

This will probably make most people come to a rude awakening soon enough. Most people shouldn't be able to afford cars, most people shouldn't be able to afford cell phones, and as soon as this whole gross fiat system collapses everything I said will ring true. Its the best system based soley on the fact that the free market will figure things out. Its like nature, but with money. Those who should be in power will be, those who shouldn't be wont be. same goes for who has wealth

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And at least with a bad king, you can chop his head off. What do you do in democracy? 3 heads will grow in its place.

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Oh and in fact, people acting in their own selfish ways gets more things done. Saw a cool meme about this once, something like "Capitalism: Bread waits on you Socialism: You wait in the bread line"
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Here's a short clip of Ayn Rand on Socialism and Dictatorship. Might open your eyes a bit guys, but this thread has almost derailed so ill end my arguments with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DlfnDfiNI

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We need to avoid the direction where 1 person calls all the shots. Witch is the direction we are heading. 8 years ago, 13 people owned 50% of the planets wealth, today, 4 people own 50% of the planets wealth.

If we do get to the point where the entire planet is ruled via the golden rule, we'd better hope the person is cool.
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Well let me ask you Steven what do you see as a perfect place, your utopia of a government? I think logic tells us the best possible outcome is to have a 'benign dictatorship' where one person has absolute rule, but is somehow in the best interest for everyone. The reason why corporations are viewed as so evil is because they use the state's monopoly on force to get into those positions of power. Take away the dollar, euro, etc fiat currencies, and their unsustainable monopolies will crash down. Can there be a such thing as a 'good' king?

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Really all the qualms people have are against socialism and they just don't know it. All these terrible things are the product of socialism.
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I honestly don't know, I don't know squat about how the economy works. Just thinking about it, and at the risk of sounding like a moron, I'd suggest rethinking how people/companies are taxed. Intensify the scale so that there is a limit to how much an entity can monopolize.

People would still be able to be extremely wealthy -hard work and smart decision making earns them this right, but it needs to be limited. There is no point in anyone having Bill Gates money, 90% of his wealth could disappear and he probably wouldn't even notice.

I know it's not that simple, but its the best I have for an answer.
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That might work in your imagination(where you're probably the dictator) but in reality it doesn't work.

If you're seriously in favor of stuff like making slaves out of the poor and letting them starve if they don't accept it then you're just a terrible person. Thankfully ideas like those will never be accepted in the US. You could try Somalia or something.
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