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Old 01-09-2013, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Reposting my old post from the old thread since I don't think anyone read it.

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Shooting game suggestions for 2013 -

Twinbee (AC) - Simple game. Vertical, shoot enemies, collect bells. 80's game, with the unrefined chunky feeling of the era. Endless marathon game. Not dropping bells is key. There are NES/GB versions but they suck, stick with AC.

Detana Twinbee (PCE or AC) - Vertical. More refined version of Twinbee, flows a lot better + better and more enjoyable audio. Still with the bells system, keep the chain up. 2 loop game (you have to be godlike to finish second loop). AC version is harder (obviously).

1942 (AC) - Vertical. Shoot enemies and don't die. Big planes give progressively more points as long as you don't die. Long length, plane chain bonus, and end of stage percentage bonuses give huge amounts of score variation without being luck based. AC only, all other versions suck. 32 stages, ~1 hour length.

Gradius (PCE or AC) - Horizontal. Shoot enemies, power up and don't die. PCE version is more pleasant, but doesn't fit the entire play area on screen. Endless marathon game.

R Type Leo (AC) - Horizontal. Shoot everything and don't die for max score. A rare shooting game that is actually relaxing to play because of the slow pace and chill music.

Rayforce (AC) - Vertical. Lock on to your targets for points. The more lock ons, the better, big targets worth more than smaller ones. EXCELLENT soundtrack and visuals. 7 stages, very difficult at the end.

(I'll leave off there for now unless people want more suggestions)

Other non-shmup games to consider:
Flicky (AC or MD) - Arcade platformer
Logic Pro (AC) - Puzzle
Logic Pro 2 (AC) - Puzzle
Moonwalker (AC) - Beat em up
Pac-Mania (AC) - Maze
Block Hole (AC) - Puzzle
Hyper Pacman (AC) - Maze (this Korean take on pac man is quite good)

Another idea, maybe a speed contest for some games, maybe for the racing game, or a race to max out the score on one of the many Tetris Attack variations, etc.
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I hate Lup Lup puzzle, and I don't understand how some cheap megatouch looking knockoff with bad controls continues to find it's way into contests. The rest of the list is fine imo.

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@SH, not to suggest you are trying to stack the deck in your favor, but you currently have 11 out of 13 first places in your suggestions...

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Another year has passed, that means another year of games could be added, what about the idea of a list composed of all new games? Level the playing field, and promote some new games, win win.
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Good point Steven that Lup Lup has already been used in too many contest. How about just removing it and not replacing it. De-Block already fits that genre.
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@SH, not to suggest you are trying to stack the deck in your favor, but you currently have 11 out of 13 first places in your suggestions...
No offense taken, I was aware of that.
I do have some opinions on what the contest needs:

1. Games are as easy to jump in as possible, no complex systems to understand.
2. Games that can have a lot of score variance between sessions.
3. Games that aren't too much luck/randomness based

For example, I like 1943 better than 1942, but it also has a bonus worth 100k at the end of each carrier that may or may not appear. That's a possibility of getting 11 of those bonus items, 1.1 million points. This is a lot to leave up to chance when a typical game tends in the 2.5 - 3 million range if you make it to the end.

1942 has none of that. It's also definitely simpler than Donpachi, and will appeal more to the 80s arcade players on this site.

The other games are the same, pick up and play. I could give in depth explanations of my choices if you want, but I think they become evident if you play them, then compare to the ones currently on the list.

Last year was barren for competition until Dec. 31 (I'll admit that I was greatly irritated by that), which in my opinion defeats the entire purpose of having a year long contest. I definitely did not like that and hope that doesn't happen again. Maybe choosing simpler games will help get people into it more, I don't know. But nobody was discussing the games at all anyways so I figured I'd throw out suggestions.
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Yeah, now that I think of it anyone suggestions would obviously be games that they have experience in. I'm a bit of a tard at times.
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I like the additions of pinball and sports. Would like to see the inclusion of at least one Clasic Arcade Game like DK, Dig Dug, Galaga, Galaxian etc. Something pre 1985 that most people have heard of before.
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I think the points system should be changed to percentage. The games seem to have a good point spread.
Also what about a rule making it compulsory to submit in every game in the contest and not just the ones you are good at?
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@Seahawk. So you are suggesting replacing
DonPachi with 1942
Adventures Of Tron with Flicky
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time with Moonwalker
DeBlock with Logic Pro 2
and add a new genre - maze - Pac-Mania

Anyone agree or disagree or have other suggestions?


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Would like to see the inclusion of at least one Clasic Arcade Game like DK, Dig Dug, Galaga, Galaxian etc. Something pre 1985 that most people have heard of before.
Adventures of Tron was picked for that genre to throw in an Atari game. A more popular Coin-Op game might be a better choice. I almost picked Joinem Coin Op because it's a fun easy classic game that most people haven't heard of. But a more main stream one like DK, Dig Dug or Flicky might be a better choice.


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I think the points system should be changed to percentage. The games seem to have a good point spread.
Anybody else have an opinion on this?
A few of the games have a small point spread. In a percent system first place in American Gladiators will be much less valuable than first place in Devil's Crush.

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Also what about a rule making it compulsory to submit in every game in the contest and not just the ones you are good at?
I was surprised more people didn't submit in every game last year since it is a strategic advantage to at least have some score in every game. I was in the top just because I was one of the few to submit in every game.

If we use a percent score system then there is less strategic advantage to submitting in games you are not good at which is a good reason to require all games.

But I think submitting in every game may make fewer people try. Also it will lead to people waiting until the last day to submit their final score and make a dramatic entry when all of their scores show up at the same time.
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I'm not a fan of percentage scoring. As you pointed out, it makes some games more important than others.

I like the categories you've picked and even though I'm not a fan, adding a maze category is probably a good idea.

I don't think Adventures in Tron is an Arcade game. There was Tron and Discs of Tron but I've never heard of Adventures in Tron. To stick with a 2600 game, how about something like Jungle Hunt, Gyruss or Space Invaders?
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I don't think Adventures in Tron is an Arcade game.
By "Arcade" I don't mean strictly coin-op. I mean classic golden age style single screen game. DK, Burger Time, Frogger, Dig Dug, Bank Panic, Tapper, Mario Bros. etc.
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@Seahawk. So you are suggesting replacing
DonPachi with 1942
Adventures Of Tron with Flicky
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time with Moonwalker
DeBlock with Logic Pro 2
and add a new genre - maze - Pac-Mania
My games were suggestions only, but I do have strong opinions about the two games below:

DonPachi - No. Replace this. Judging from the 19XX and APB scores from last year, high speed intense bullet shooters simply don't fly with the crowd on this site (no offense). Scoring high on them requires very in depth understand of the underlying score system. Users had a year to play and nobody else broke 1.5 million on either of them. That's why I suggested games with no mechanic more complex beyond shooting the enemy. In that regard probably Rayforce is too much as well, don't use it.

TMNT - The AC version is way too hard imo. Last year's Xmen is the same style, and in the score chart there is a clear split between "people who could beat stage 2" and "people who couldn't beat stage 2". Judging from my experience with this game, this will happen again if you leave it. It's why I suggested an alternative. It doesn't have to be Moonwalker, you could choose Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, heck even the SNES version of TMNT4 would be better.

I do think maze games are (or were) enough of a genre that one should be included. The big one of course Ms./Pac Man, but I don't think we should go for the super obvious choice. I suggested Pac-mania but there are plenty others.

You should get rid of the lightgun category. The mouse isn't really a good substitute, and it's not really a proper way to play the game. If you must leave it in, for the love of god pick something better than Lethal Enforcers, that game was crap the day it came out. Point Blank?

Get rid of the dungeon crawler, or pick another game. Shiren doesn't save and the high score table does not work correctly, making it a totally luck based affair, which is bad. Maybe Gauntlet will work, but it being a coin op game it will be time based, and I don't know if there are any good choices for score. Taloon is really the only kind of game for pure score attack dungeon crawling.

The puzzle games were just suggestions, I haven't played Deblock. I think they are good for contest, without being based random luck or Vs. CPU AI randomness. There's also Puzzle Bobble 1, 2, 3.

Flicky isn't single screen, it'd be more suited to the run and jump category. A single screen replacement would be something more like Bubble Bobble.

Also, percentage scoring is bad. Don't use it, last years style was ideal.
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I agree with most of what Seahawk said. A suggestion for an easy to understand shump is Star Force (either NES or coin op) and a suggestion for a pretty cool maze game would be Lady Bug.
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Here are all of the suggestions. Which is best for competition? - keep in mind they need to not have a realistic max score.

We can also do process of elimination. If you have a reason why one of these games is bad, speak up. Thanks.

Replacement for DonPachi. I don't play this genre so I don't have a clue what the difference in any of these games are.
Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op
Star Force - Nintendo Entertainment System
1942 - Arcade/Coin-Op
TwinBee - Arcade/Coin-Op
Detana!! Twinbee - Turbo Grafx-16
Bells and Whistles - Arcade/Coin-Op
Gradius - Turbo Grafx-16
Nemesis - Arcade/Coin-Op
R Type Leo * - Arcade/Coin-Op
Super Xevious Gump no Nazo - Nintendo Entertainment System
Xevious - Arcade/Coin-Op
Gunbird - Arcade/Coin-Op
Raiden - Turbo Grafx-16

Replacement for Adventures of Tron.
Burger Time - Arcade/Coin-Op
Bubble Bobble - Arcade/Coin-Op
Donkey Kong - Arcade/Coin-Op
Donkey Kong Junior - Arcade/Coin-Op
Super Pang - Arcade/Coin-Op
Bagman - Arcade/Coin-Op
Clu Clu Land - Nintendo Entertainment System
Dig Dug - Arcade/Coin-Op

Replacement for TMNT.
Alien vs Predator - Arcade/Coin-Op
Final Fight - Arcade/Coin-Op
Sengoku 2 - Arcade/Coin-Op
Strider - Arcade/Coin-Op
Shinobi - Arcade/Coin-Op
Shinobi 3: Return of the Ninja Master - Arcade/Coin-Op
Ninja Gaiden - Nintendo Entertainment System
Batman Returns - Super Nintendo
Simpsons - Arcade/Coin-Op
Dynasty Wars - Arcade/Coin-Op
Captain Commando - Arcade/Coin-Op
King of Dragons - Arcade/Coin-Op
Knights of the Round - Arcade/Coin-Op
Dungeon Magic - Arcade/Coin-Op

Remove Shiren. Don't replace.

Remove Lethal Enforcers. Don't replace.

Remove Lup Lup. Don't replace.

Replacement for Bonk.
Leave as Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure - Turbo Grafx-16
Flicky - Arcade/Coin-Op
Flicky - Sega Genesis
New Zealand Story - Arcade/Coin-Op

Add a Maze game.
Pac Mania - Arcade/Coin-Op
Hyper Pacman - Arcade/Coin-Op
Joinem - Arcade/Coin-Op
Binary Land - Nintendo Entertainment System
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Well, if we're going by process of elimination, could I ask to eliminate Joinem (takes so long to play and I don't find it that thrilling)?

And I think the arcade version of Raiden plays better, maybe change the suggestion to coin-op, or remove Raiden altogether?

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Replacement for DonPachi.
Keep-Donpachi
Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op
Raiden - Turbo Grafx-16

Replacement for Adventures of Tron.
Keep Tron
Bubble Bobble - Arcade/Coin-Op
Donkey Kong - Arcade/Coin-Op
Dig Dug - Arcade/Coin-Op

Replacement for TMNT.
Keep TMNT
Final Fight - Arcade/Coin-Op
Ninja Gaiden - Nintendo Entertainment System

Remove Lethal Enforcers. Don't replace.
Switch to Lethal 2 for the Genesis?

Replacement for Bonk.
Leave as Bonk's Adventure 3: Bonk's Big Adventure - Turbo Grafx-16
New Zealand Story - Arcade/Coin-Op

Add a Maze game.
Hyper Pacman - Arcade/Coin-Op
Joinem - Arcade/Coin-Op

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Everyone good with Star Force - Arcade/Coin-Op

What about Bagman - Arcade/Coin-Op for the arcade game.

@Ninja Gaiden. There are people here that have cleared it and still not come close to the world record. I assume a high score requires lots of point pressing and farming within the time limit which is not fun.

Take a look at Dungeon Magic - Arcade/Coin-Op for the beat'em up.

I think Lethal Enforcers 2: Gun Fighters - Sega Genesis is a decent suggestion to add an extra genre.

What about Binary Land - Nintendo Entertainment System for the maze game?
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I wonder if the Genesis version of R.C. Pro-Am goes dark like the NES version randomly does.

For those who are unaware in at least the NES version, randomly the game will turn the screen black so you cannot see the track or the map of the track, but the AI will have no problem running the course.

edit: I tried to find a picture of this online but I'm not having luck. I can't even find a mention of it anywhere, but I know it happened at least on my cart of it.

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I've never encountered that error.
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Neither did I, and Thunderlips and I used to play the heck out of that game.
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I'd like to suggest RC Pro-am 2, they are both awesome games, but 2 is better.
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I have to disagree about TMNT Turtles in Time. I think a some very difficult games should stay in place because there should be clear divisions in a competition - not everyone clustered together due to having mostly easy games. Also, TMNT is a very popular series, so might draw in people who wouldn't care about the contest otherwise. If there is an insistence to change it, the only other one I could think of would be the arcade AVP. That's also popular.

Personally, I don't think the difficulty of a game (SHMUPS included) should keep a game from being considered. That's my view anyway. If a game requires someone to learn the system,the active players who want to play have a whole year to do it.

The only caveat I would add is from last year's games, I think alot of people steered clear of Speed Attack because it was in another language and not clear how to even operate the game at all. However, I think that is different from excluding a game because it's challenging in general.
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I have to disagree about TMNT Turtles in Time. I think a some very difficult games should stay in place because there should be clear divisions in a competition - not everyone clustered together due to having mostly easy games.

Personally, I don't think the difficulty of a game (SHMUPS included) should keep a game from being considered. That's my view anyway. If a game requires someone to learn the system,the active players who want to play have a whole year to do it.
+1 on TMNT. I think some of the games should have hard bottlenecks like Xmen did or Donkey Kong does (screen 13 or something is considered the barrier for 99% of players)

The only requirement I have for any SHUMP is speed. Some shumps (Tiger Heli for NES) are so slow, your plane has no speed.
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IMO, the scoring system in XMen and TMNT is boring for competition. There is no variety and all scores cluster.

That being said, both games are great examples of the genre and I have nothing against the difficulty of them. It was really amazing and interesting seeing Winnebagel and Elrod break out of the pack of scores and WB eventually looping the game.

I think Dungeon Magic will have more variety in scores than TMNT.
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I think Dungeon Magic will have more variety in scores than TMNT.
I like Dungeon Magic, but why not add both? Is the number of games in the contest firmly locked in? Why not add a couple more? There is a whole year for people to play.

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That being said, both games are great examples of the genre and I have nothing against the difficulty of them. It was really amazing and interesting seeing Winnebagel and Elrod break out of the pack of scores and WB eventually looping the game.
I had fun competing with everyone, but especially Elrod on this one too. He always brings the game, and it helped push me to beat the game - which I always wanted to do. That reminds me, I want to get back to trying to take the WR in that, so that RU will have the new WR in place. Maybe I can do that sometime in the next couple of months. I think it will take about 5-6 hours to do.
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