2012 - End of the World

[CatalystiCam]

Note: The following 11 post were moved from the Game Request thread since they were WAY OFF TOPIC, plus that thread is for request only. Anything after the first 11 are new.

With the amount of earthquakes lately I'm starting to believe that P.O.S. Mayan calender so good luck with that 2017 thing.

[Dudebro]

With the amount of earthquakes lately I'm starting to believe that P.O.S. Mayan calender so good luck with that 2017 thing.
It's not that there's more earthquakes there's just more attention on them since the ones in Haiti and that South American country whos name I forgot. I've yet to see a study showing an increase in activity. It's possible that it'll turn out that way but atm everything seems normal.

[CatalystiCam]

kind of sucks that I just barely miss becoming an adult if the Mayans are right :-/ Some life expectancy...

[Dudebro]

Well if the world ends as predicted you better hope whatever being you believe in exists. Sucks for all those atheists huh? :lol:

[Mareeps]

Don't worry, the Myans couldn't even predict the end of their civilization, so how can they predict the end of the world?

[CatalystiCam]

As long as I don't die from drowning or anything else that involves not being able to breathe until death. I'm terrified of that.

[samejamesbond]

There isn't a major increase in seismic activity however, there has been an increase in Solar Activity,
meaning there's a high chance of the planet being wiped out by a massive EMP burst.

[Belmontzar]

o.o you guys do know htat 'Death' in this case is actually just a major change right? Not a litteral planet destroyign event but a massive 'death' of our current System and economy. It woudl be the end of the world as WE know it, and the beginning of the new world of our race. Tiomefor forced Evolution people. buckle down and get ready for the pain. My thought is that All electronics are going to die off VIA A massive solar flare. Forcing us all to Live by our own means again. Meaning massive panic, and psychos with guns killing people.. Though most of hte survivers will be farmers, the mormons, and others who have rely mroe on phisical power over Technology.

That or the aliens are on the way, that would change and eff everything up for sure..

Oh and for future reference. 2012 is not just a mayan prediction, but its a world wide thing. Do some reasearch lol.

@dudebro: I personaly think its us Athiests who will be best off, as whatever world ending event occurs is gonna freak damn near everyone out., People are going to be panicing and yelling about there god forsaking them. Athiests are going to be needed to keep some semblance of Focus going on.

Now what would be funny is if 2012 is nothing.. but The worlds first massive globally epic Rickroll..

[samejamesbond]

I'd like to be Epicroll'd.
It would be hilarious.

[CatalystiCam]

it's better than death but speaking of weather lately and I'm not sure why this is. We had summer weather all week but last night in a matter of an hour we had up to 125 Kp/h winds and a freaking blizzard, snow was coming down sideways and circling in the air. I was out all night due to potential buyers viewing our house, this morning there is 2 feet of snow on the ground and keep in mind the snow has been gone for weeks now. At lunch today there was a bunch of sun out and all 2 feet of snow had melted. Now, less than 4 hours later there is wind picking up again and cloudy skies. I have never seen a chinook half this bad.

[AVGNJr1985]

By the way every one on Retro Uprising, The Earth and the entire Universe. Here's a link to the video. And guys, Let's talk about games in this website, Not Disaster Movies. YouTube - The true about December 2012 : The world will NOT end!

[joz]

Sucks for all those atheists huh? :lol:

how so?

[DrunkN]

how so?
If you don't believe there's any type of afterlife than you're either right and that's the end of things or you're wrong and you end up in an unfavorable position.

[Neutral]

Cam3ron36,
Drowing is actually the best way to die, because you'll be getting to the high heavens even before you get to to the high heavens.

Oh, and the earth will be wiped out in about 5.5 billon years, when the sun turns white dwarf.

[..]Sucks for all those atheists huh? :lol: :'(

[Seahawk]

If the world ends in 2012, I think it'll be not because some Mayans plotted a date on their sundials, but because some crazy person/people went to extreme lengths to make it happen.

So much hype for an artificial date. Of all the Mayan artifacts that were destroyed and lost forever, why couldn't have this prediction been one of them?

[david man45]

And guys, Let's talk about games in this website, Not Disaster Movies.
There are sections for games. and sections for debate and to chat.

[Demon-Mask]

The only thing odd about the date the world is slated to end, December 21, 2012, is that the sun will be in direct alignment with the center of the Milky Way galaxy. That means pretty much nothing, maybe some odd solar activity, but the world will not end, and if it does, we wont realize it, as we would all be dead anyway.

[samejamesbond]

If the world really does end on 12/21/12, it could be caused by Yellow Stone National Park erupting.

[CatalystiCam]

yeah, stupid super valcanoes too. :-\

[samejamesbond]

A bunch of things can kill us:

Plague.
Famine.
Drought.
Computer Bugs.
War.
Colapse of the Ice Caps.
Chuck Norris.

[nikegirl2012]

Well, I don't know if anything at all is going to happen or not... I like the big change idea better than any other... and just so that we are all clear... my nick name is nikegirl2012 because of the X Files, not the Mayan calendar... although the X Files got their date from the Mayan calendar... I don't care I'm a huge X File fan (for those who don't know, December 21, 2012 is the day the aliens are going to colonize the Earth, according to the X Files). I would've used ResistOrServe2012 but too many fans use that already. Also, this has been my nickname for 10 years more or less... so except for Runescape where some where kept my account... if you see this nickname somewhere else, it's probably me... if it isn't... I'd like to know about it...

[samejamesbond]

There's no real need to get paranoid, when it happens we takle it head on and solve it as a whole.

[Dojah]

I dont think the mayans were predicting anything, just stating the facts about the cosmos, and what is going to happen within it. It was basically a timeline, which Does exist, that was bringing in a new age. Its really no different then the 12 Zodiac astrological ages we use. Example the Aquarium age.

The real question, or I guess the one that matters most imo, is how they knew this so long before modern science. Its impressive.

[CatalystiCam]

I wish there was a definite answer. If I could just know then I'd drop out of school and enjoy my last couple of years.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Believe what you want about the end of the world. I haven't believed anything since they said the large hadron collider would cause a black hole to happen.

[CatalystiCam]

did they even finish that yet? It's possible for it to make a black hole.

[Dudebro]

Almost every belief system has a prediction for the end days and they keep moving it to suit new evidence(like the world not actually ending). Besides that all kinds of fringe groups have predicted the end days since the dawn of man and they've all been wrong, why should we suddenly believe the Mayans or anyone else? It's all garbage.

It's possible for it to make a black hole.Not according to what I heard. It may be possible to mimic one on a tiny scale but the only people predicting some doomsday blackhole are the same morons predicting 2012. I call them morons because they aren't backing their claims up with science, if they are I've never seen any proof of it.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Yes they have finished it. it was down for electrical problems last year

[Seahawk]

did they even finish that yet? It's possible for it to make a black hole.

It was down because of electrical problems after the first runs but it is back up and running again.

CERN (CERN) on Twitter (http://twitter.com/cern)

[Demon-Mask]

It's possible for it to make a black hole.
A miniature black hole that would evaporate in seconds due to Hawking Radiation.

[Slime Slayer]

This black hole stuff is something I'd prefer we werent messing with.

[Demon-Mask]

This black hole stuff is something I'd prefer we werent messing with.
I agree, while the risk is minimal of a black hole even being created, and minimal that a black hole created would last more than a few seconds and cause any damage, it is still not something to mess with, anything that has the power to consume light should be left alone.

[Kong]

CERN admits black hole ripped in space by Large Hadron Collider - Science (http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200914/3354/CERN-admits-black-hole-ripped-in-space-by-Large-Hadron-Collider)

That is a joke. Not true.
This next link has real info about the dangers of artificial black holes.
The safety of the LHC (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html)

[Demon-Mask]

The second article made very clear that there is no danger.

The first one was funny, and obviously fake, as you said. This is apparent at the mention of Mr. C. Norris.

[fungusman]

It'll be man made if anything happens in 2012. Aren't we technically 2027 or something ? Theoretically speaking time doesn't exist, the cosmos aligning to form some sort of ,Ultima spell Final Fantasy last boss fight, makes as much sense as other intergalactic occurrence happening in unison to other man made things. What if dolphins have a concept of time different then us ? If anything, the mind set the something is going to happen in 2012 is extremely detrimental and will create catastrophes in itself. Pfft, something will probably happen who knows, whatever.

I think we're all going to space and probably going to see it in this life time.

[Dojah]

@Fungusman- I believe since we and the mayans have different calandars, this alignment they speak of happens to fall on "our" Dec. 21, 2012.

[Kong]

Since it looks like some of you missed this the first time around (http://retrouprising.com/other/debate/bs4-end-world/t7885/) I will repeat myself.

There is no record of the Myans ever predicting the world would end in the year 2012. It is completely made up urban legend BS.

The Mayans had a different type of calender than we do. They divided their calenders up into ages that were about 5,125 years long. When they get to the end of an age they start a new one. Similar to how when we get to 1,999 we flip over to 2,000. If you were driving in your car and noticed the odometer read all 9s would you think if you drove one more mile the car would blow up or simply flip to all zeros and continue on?

1. Starting a calender over at zero is no big deal.
2. EVEN THEY DID NOT THINK IT WAS A BIG DEAL.
3. This will be the 14th time it has happened. We are nearing the end of their 13th 5,000 year clusters.
4. Mayans would celebrate the end of an age, not fear it.
5. Even if it were true that the Mayans thought the world would end in 2012 (which it is not), do you think that would be an adequate reason to worry?

So if the Mayans did not think the world would end in 2012 then why do we think they thought that?

1. In the 1960's Michael D. Coe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Coe) wrote a book called The Mayas. In it he said the the Mayans thought the world would end when the calender flipped to zero again. He just made it up and everyone jumped on board and went with it. This was the first time doomsday had been attached to the Mayans and 2012. He invented it.
2. Terence McKenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, a philosopher who is famous for doing a lot of psychedelic drugs, came up with a theory in the 70s (while on drugs) called Novelty Theory. It was a very ridiculous crackpot theory that concluded the world would end in November 2012. He claimed that the I Ching agreed with him so his theory would sound more solid by attaching it to ancient "wise men", but he just made that up. Later he read that Mr. Coe said the Mayans predicted the world would end 12/21/12 so McKenna changed his predicted date to match Coe's date. He simply changed his BS prediction to match someone else's BS prediction thereby making it seem that there was two independent and separate predictions of the same date. To me if you can change your prediction around that easily then it was not that good to begin with.

And that is what started this urban legend. The rest is just repeating of those two assumptions.

[fenrir1887]

I say this is a bunch of nonsense. There's no way we humans can lock down when the world really will end. We're not omniscient.

[DrunkN]

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb25/cheffdonty/2012.jpg

This confirms it.

P.S. Happy 30th anniversary to Star Wars V.

[RU Joe]

So are we supposed to put a paper bag on our heads and then lie down on the ground, or something?

I maintain that the biggest thing to worry about concerning the whole 2012 scare is people freaking out about it!
It seems to me that as long as we keep our heads, and watch out for those people who do not, it should pass over just the same as the Y2K thing.

Remember that?
How the World was supposed to end when all the computers crashed?

http://bigjournalism.com/files/2010/01/y2k.jpg
http://ediscoveryinfo.bburney.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/j0414035.jpghttp://xf6.xanga.com/d31f674a00435261381679/z208273826.jpg
:lying:

[Demon-Mask]

If the Mayans supposedly predicted the exact date the word will end, why coldn't they fortell their own demise as a civilization?

They probably had more important things to worry about making a calender, like the fact that they were constantly at war.

[fenrir1887]

They thought the ones who would conquer them were gods, that's why they didn't foretell their own doom.

[Demon-Mask]

Yet they still foretold the demise of Earth? Wouldn't they still be conquered if the world came to an end?

[fungusman]

Maybe a man made war or something but I don't think the planets are going to align to make some portal.

[Demon-Mask]

The demise of man, will be created by man himself; the demise of the Earth, will be caused by the Sun.

[fenrir1887]

Man as a whole species made war. Only one primate can truly go to war on the scale this world has seen twice and that is man.

[Dudebro]

Man as a whole species made war.Other primates have been known to wage war. Insects do it all the time. I'm sure there's other examples too. Humans did not make it but we sure perfected it.

[fenrir1887]

Not true at all. Only man can make the tools needed to create war as we now know it and only man can destroy himself.

[RU Joe]

You forgot about the looming threat of
{Dun - dun - dun}
KILLER BEES!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jlv/lowres/jlvn52l.jpg

I remember hearing a talk radio show where some guy called in saying how we'd all be killed by them in about 5 years or so.
Can't remember the name of the show, but the host's name was Laslo.

[Dudebro]

Not true at all. Only man can make the tools needed to create war as we now know it and only man can destroy himself.
War as we know it is not the only war that exists. The fact is animals that live in communities can and do go to war sometimes. Humans are just smarter and able to kill more efficiently.

[Demon-Mask]

Damn it... those killer bees are going to get me.
How can I stop them?

We, the Terrans Humans, are not as smart as we think. We just rely more on tools to do our work. I think animals are smarter due to their ability to not only survive, but thrive in nature, without machines to do their work.

[fenrir1887]

I was just reading up on the subject not long ago. Most primates other than humans are incapable of the damage we can do to each other. Humans are the only primates who can commit genocide. You can't tell me a chimp can build something as complex as a missile and take out other chimps with it.

[samejamesbond]

They can use things such as rocks and knives for weapons.
They can fight, but not wage war.

[Dudebro]

It doesn't matter what weapons or damage can be done. If humans lost all technology and tools we'd still be waging war.

Humans are the only primates who can commit genocide. You can't tell me a chimp can build something as complex as a missile and take out other chimps with it.
Other primates will go to war and kill in ways similar to a genocide. They kill the males, take the females and kill any offspring and replace them with their own. That isn't considered genocide? The weapons or level of technology doesn't matter.

[oasis]

I just caught up in this post from page 1.


Well if the world ends as predicted you better hope whatever being you believe in exists. Sucks for all those atheists huh? :lol:


Sucks for everyone

Damn it... those killer bees are going to get me.
How can I stop them?

We, the Terrans Humans, are not as smart as we think. We just rely more on tools to do our work. I think animals are smarter due to their ability to not only survive, but thrive in nature, without machines to do their work.

Humans do a verioty of tasks. and we are not physically cappable to do the job.
ants can lift something like 10 times there own weight. but we can build a huge crane to lift tons.

[Dudebro]

Sucks for everyone
Not for the believers if their version comes true.

[samejamesbond]

What if some divine being is our destruction?
That'd be ironic.

[Demon-Mask]

Humans do a verioty of tasks. and we are not physically cappable to do the job.
ants can lift something like 10 times there own weight. but we can build a huge crane to lift tons.
And other animals use tools, given time they could learn to do everything we can, but they have better instincts, and more physical capabilities than us, and they are satisfied with what they can do, and understand that if they were meant to do something, they'd be able to do it themselves.

[RU Joe]

And other animals use tools, given time they could learn to do everything we can, but they have better instincts, and more physical capabilities than us, and they are satisfied with what they can do, and understand that if they were meant to do something, they'd be able to do it themselves.
So, we shouldn't be using a computer unless it's a natural part of our own bodily functions?
Or are you saying that animals will one day make their own computers?

[Demon-Mask]

Or are you saying that animals will one day make their own computers?
Yes, they could make their own computers some day.

[samejamesbond]

I just had a thought, you know how everyone loves Chuck Norris?

I bet after we dies off some future sentient life will find our stuff about him and Begin worshiping
him because they think he's really a god.

[Demon-Mask]

I just had a thought, you know how everyone loves Chuck Norris?

I bet after we dies off some future sentient life will find our stuff about him and Begin worshiping
him because they think he's really a god.
Some sentient beings of our own kind already do this.

[Dudebro]

Why would they worship an icon from a dead civilization?

[Demon-Mask]

Ever heard of religion, logic doesn't apply, just blind faith.

[samejamesbond]

People still follow Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the dead Byzantine Empire.

Edit: Thank's Demon-Mask for speaking the truth.
Edit: Edit: We don't worship Chuck, we joke about it, but future life may take it seriously.

[RU Joe]

I just had a thought, you know how everyone loves Chuck Norris?

I bet after we dies off some future sentient life will find our stuff about him and Begin worshiping
him because they think he's really a god.
No, they will probably think that Ronald McDonald was our god, and his little brother was the King of Burger.

Together, they ruled over the Human race who worshiped them daily.

[Demon-Mask]

Joe, that seems very likely, he does look like humanity's god.

[Dudebro]

You guys aren't talking about the same thing. Discovering a dead civilization and worshiping a part of it you don't fully understand is retarded. It's nothing like how human religions have grown and spread.

I +1ed JG because his scenario is more likely and funny.

[samejamesbond]

No, they will probably think that Ronald McDonald was our god, and his little brother was the King of Burger.

Together, they ruled over the Human race who worshiped them daily.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Parahnus/Omg.png



But yeah, I'd believe that after watching the scene in Super-Size Me with the kids and who they know.

Edit: +1

[Demon-Mask]

You guys aren't talking about the same thing. Discovering a dead civilization and worshiping a part of it you don't fully understand is retarded. It's nothing like how human religions have grown and spread.

Don't you mean species for the way you speak of civilization?

Human religion has spread through living remnants of the civilizations, not through the finding of pictures on walls and what have you.

[samejamesbond]

People still worship ancient Greek gods:
Hellenic Polytheistic Reconstructionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Demon-Mask]

And they never stopped, living remnants of the initial civilization spread, the Romans just changed some names and the fact that they had almost all of Europe led to their religion spreading further, and families worshiped those gods still, and eventually it gained enough support to warrant an established church.

[RU Joe]

DB:
It's nothing like how human religions have grown and spread.

You mean through terror and force?:

'You shall worship _____ , and if you do not, you shall die'
{please don't kill me, I promise to worship faithfully}

'Good. Now name three others we can convert'

ANIMALS would never do this to one another.

[samejamesbond]

But animals never formed religions.

[Demon-Mask]

We don't know that.

[samejamesbond]

True, True...