Child shoots self with gun thought to be a Wiimote

[Kugyince]

LEBANON, Tenn. — A Middle Tennessee child who might have thought a loaded handgun was a video game controller has fatally shot herself.

WTVF-TV in Nashville quoted Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe, who said the 3-year-old girl picked up her stepfather's .380 caliber pistol and shot herself in the stomach Sunday night.

Ashe said the girl's mother was in the same room and the stepfather was asleep when it happened.

The mother told investigators her daughter could have thought the gun was a controller for a Nintendo Wii.

The stepfather told deputies he got out the gun because he heard a prowler, then left it on a living room end table.

The child died at a hospital. Her name wasn't immediately released.

Mother Says Girl Thought Loaded Gun Was Wii Controller - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588390,00.html)

[nikegirl2012]

A good reason why not to own guns. Sure the father heard a prowler and thought he might just leave the gun out in case the prowler broke in and didn't have a gun to attack the family with. Seriously... at least put them somewhere out of sight or where kids can't get them. Or... knowing the gun is out... keep a better look out for your kids...

[Kugyince]

Indeed. How do you forget that there's a fully loaded, unlocked firearm on the end table with the safety off? Especially with a three year old about.

I'm tempted to claim it's a cover-up to something far more intentional.

[Demon-Mask]

I'm tempted to claim it's a cover-up to something far more intentional.
Considering the circumstances, it wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the case.

[Mareeps]

Theres only one video game gun that looks like a gun

http://www.pong-picture-page.de/catalog/images/Magnavox%20Odyssey%201TL200%20Shooting%20Gallery_w ww.JPG

[Kugyince]

http://www.hypertmg.com/portals/1/Images/product_gun.gif

[Mareeps]

I never saw that before, where was it sold?

[david man45]

It has to be a cover up. Unless the family suffered from generations of incest and had mental disabilities I dont see how they could've let that happen.

[DrunkN]

the 3-year-old girl picked up her stepfather's .380 caliber pistol and shot herself in the stomach
I don't quite see it happening.

She also thought it was a video game controller? She play with it before?

[Neutral]

First of all, this fox news you're quotin' Tenser. I though you knew better.

Second, wouldn't she had tried to point it at the screen? I have never used a gun, but my first though is that the gun was to heavy for her.

Here's an other article with some more stuff which fox didn't say:

Her mother, ****, 32, told them **** had played on the games consol for days at a time.
The most logical would be that she tried to point it at the screen, which was what I thought before I found this article. Then how did she shot her self in the stomach? Maybe, as I said before, the gun was to heavy for her.

Regarding the sound the step-father heard:

He fetched his gun, which he usually kept unloaded in a cabinet and went to investigate. After failing to find anyone, he left the gun in the living room and went to bed.
He could have put it down in such a way, that when the toddler whent to pick it up, the barrel was pointed towards her and she tried to grab the handel which was further away from her. If you get my train of thoughts.

But yes, the whole story could also be a cover up.
Yeah, the article I quote does mentions their names but I censored it here. Is it Ok if I post the link anyway?

EDIT:
Here is a picture of the gun that shot her(top), and the WII-gun(bottom). It probably deflates the cover-up story.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7894/article125664108a507a00.jpg


Antisemitism is not funny. Don't do it again. -Dudebro

[Slime Slayer]

I'm tending towards the idea of something more sinister myself.
- guns are heavy, 3 year olds are weak
-emulating her parents, she wouldnt point the wii-mote at her own stomach, she'd point it at the t.v.
-guns are serious stuff, if you brought one out because you thought you heard a prowler, theres no way you'd just forget about it, unless you were highly intoxicated.

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I wouldnt be suprised either way.

[Kong]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7894/article125664108a507a00.jpg

1. Toy guns should not look like this.
2. The dad sounds like a drunk idiot.
3. The kid doesn't sound too bright either.
4. Who was playing games for days at a time? The baby? How do you let your 3 year old play with the toy gun in that picture all day every day and then set the real gun in the picture next to it.

[Mareeps]

I thought the Wii gun looked like this

http://entertothematrix.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/zapper.jpg

Where do that sell that type of accessory anyway?

[Kong]

@Brawlmaster. That's what I thought too.

[Tails]

My friend on MSN imed me about this yesterday when I got on. All I can say is I am sorry for the child, but the step father is an idiot, for lack of a more appropriate word.

[Dudebro]

3. The kid doesn't sound too bright either.
Wasn't the kid 3 years old? No offense to kids but they're all kind of dumb at that age. Both parents should be in jail if they were aware that the gun was out. I'm sure they're complete morons and this didn't seem like a problem to them at the time. We're better off punishing them so they smarten up, I'm sure they'll have more kids.

[JKool]

They should've got a PS3.

[david man45]

A 3 year couldn't pull a trigger.

[jim5cents]

I'm tempted to claim it's a cover-up to something far more intentional.

i'm tempted to claim it's a cover-up to something far more ignorant. the guy is probably a hick, liked having his toy out...he was sleeping (i.e. passed out drunk) bad situation no matter how you look at it.

probably this guy's kid

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/62/l_dac79a31901e495f8d0e473d52322e8b.jpg
A 3 year couldn't pull a trigger.

yes they can.

http://www.mydogella.com/gun.jpg

he seems to know where the trigger is.

[david man45]

I cant see the pictures and I really doubt a 3 year old girl could hold the gun backwards up to her stomache and pull the trigger.

[DrunkN]

They should've got a PS3.
That is horribly hilarious. I don't know whether to rank you up or down.

[nikegirl2012]

Well... if it was an accident... I get it, my sis, when she was 3 years old was pretty strong, and saw me playing PS3 and wanted to play too. She was better than me in Soul Calibur.... anyways... she might have gotten confused and picked up the real gun thinking it was the fake one (I thought fake guns had to have the orange thing at the end of the barrel to distinguish them from real guns) and tried to point it as the tv, obviously because of the weight she couldn't and it might have slipped and that's when she shot herself. Still very dumb parents...

[Kong]

I cant see the pictures and I really doubt a 3 year old girl could hold the gun backwards up to her stomache and pull the trigger.
Are you implying a 3 year old girl is weaker than a 3 year old boy?

[samejamesbond]

I have never seen a Wii gun like that before...

Where do they sell them?

[nikegirl2012]

no, I'm saying 3 year old's in general are strong enough to pick up guns, not strong enough to point directly at tv.

[DrunkN]

Are you implying a 3 year old girl is weaker than a 3 year old boy?
David could not see the pictures.

And I think this situation is more the fault of the parents, if not a cover up story. It's like Tenser said, you don't take your eyes off a kid long enough for them to shoot themselves in the stomach when a gun with the safety off is in their accessibility.

[lestat7902]

the 3 year old might not have realized that the gun was being held backwards and just pushed on the trigger with her thumbs. as much as i appreciate my gun owner rights i am daily reminded that people aren't also born with right to common sense. to quote House... "People are idiots."

[Kugyince]

A three-year-old is strong enough to pick up and aim a gun.

[david man45]

@Kong, I doubt at that age there isnt any difference in there strength, no.

[jim5cents]

YouTube - 3 year old learing to shoot.

YouTube - 3 year old learning to shoot

YouTube - LOL - Little Kid Shoots Gun And Falls Over

[samejamesbond]

That's really disturbing material.

[jim5cents]

the only one that i find disturbing is the last one.

in the first two, there are obvious safety precautions that are taken, and are performed under adult supervision.

in each of these cases, the parents have elected to own firearms and to expose their kids to them. in the first two examples, i think it is done correctly, maybe a little early, but at least it is done correctly.

the last kid will end up on an epic fail poster someday, i promise.

[Slime Slayer]

I'm just realising now, why the heck is anyone relating this incident to a wii-mote?
A kid took a gun and shot herself in the stomach, the wii-mote thing is nothing more than a way for the parents to take the blame off of their negligence and put it on something else.

[jim5cents]

i think someone was trying to make a connection to foulplay, implying that a 3 year old does not have the strength or dexterity to shoot themselves.

here is what happened.

pops has his gun out, he is a hick, proud of his gun, probably been drinking. passes out, kid picks up gun, shoots self, dies. parents are young, immature, ignorant, and say "oh it is an accident, it was the toy's fault...couldn't be our own fault, billy ray is an excellent father and bobbie jo is an excellent mother.

[Kong]

Yes, important point, the kid did not do this because the gun looked like a Wiimote. She did it because there was a loaded gun with the safety off within easy reach on a coffee table at her height while she was unsupervised. It could have looked like a pile of dog poop and she still probably would have put it up to her stomach and squeezed.

It is a bit more stupid of the parents if they knew their kid played with a toy that looked exactly like the real gun for 15 hours a day but ultimately that has nothing to do with it.

[jim5cents]

It could have looked like a pile of dog poop and she still probably would have put it up to her stomach and squeezed.



fail on my part, first time i read that, i pictured the kid eating the poop and i was thinking...how did she squeeze her stomach?

[Kugyince]

I like this scenerio better:

Mom and/or pops conspire to kill kid. Mom and/or pops shoots kid. Mom and/or pops blames Wiimote to make it look accidental.

[KingRanech]

I for one think this is a sign to destroy our wiis.

[Kong]

I like this scenerio better:

Mom and/or pops conspire to kill kid. Mom and/or pops shoots kid. Mom and/or pops blames Wiimote to make it look accidental.
Mom and pop sue Nintendo, make millions and don't have to feed whining kid anymore.

[nikegirl2012]

honestly, even if the kids are being taught in a "safe environment", it's still wrong. Then again I'm totally against guns and violence (except video games, yeah kinda hypocritical but it helps release frustrations), but you have to consider, some kids, even if they learn what guns are and how they work when they are little, it doesn't mean they won't have accidents(not so accidental accidents) when they grow up. If there's a gun lying around and the person goes crazy for a moment there, he could do something stupid, having or not having knowledge of the use of firearms.

[samejamesbond]

Quite the ludicrous theory Tenser.

[Kugyince]

Quite the ludicrous theory Tenser.
I hope so. But it's the only logical one.

How often do three-year-olds shoot themselves with ready-to-fire guns while their mother is in the same room with them?

[samejamesbond]

I didn't know the last part.
I can believe your theory, if that's true.

[Dudebro]

I think this is a case of two ignorant parents who never should've been allowed to breed in the first place.

[david man45]

Im leaning towards a more devious plot than ignorant parents. Whether it was an accident or an evil plan they should be imprisoned.

[Kugyince]

In a perfect world they shouldn't have been able to breed.

[samejamesbond]

A little harsh, but understandable.

[KingRanech]

"Selective Breeding" maaaay not be the best idea..

[david man45]

Thats far from what Tenser is saying. I think...

[Kugyince]

Indeed. Hence "In a perfect world".

We are very far off from a perfect world and I would never wish to see selective breeding enacted.

[david man45]

Maybe 2012 is the year not when the world ends, but when humanity does. I strongly believe soon corruption will run all of us more than it already does.

[KingRanech]

While i agree that humanity will inevitably end itself, there is no reason for it to be on 2012. Do some independent research. This isn't aimed at you, but im just so tired of people claiming that 2012 is the end of days based on NOTHING but internet rumours. Okay, so some ancient civilization's calender ends there, So what? I have a mole on my left wrist, so obviously that represents we are all descended from raptor jesus who will transform us into megazords and defeat the evil cheetahmen and reclaim the mushroom kingdom.

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Indeed. Hence "In a perfect world".

We are very far off from a perfect world and I would never wish to see selective breeding enacted.


sry lollercoster

[david man45]

Im not saying the world will end because of what the Mayans or whoevers calendar ended. Im saying that once obama gets into our heads as a good president, he will get re-elected, and do whats necessary to destroy humanity.

[samejamesbond]

What does this have to do with a kid shooting themself?

[Mareeps]

Do some independent research. This isn't aimed at you, but im just so tired of people claiming that 2012 is the end of days based on NOTHING but internet rumours.
Here's my therory;

12/31/1999
6/6/06
12/23/12

The world never ended on those dates, so why should it end on 2012?

[samejamesbond]

When was the 1980's "apocolypse" supposedly was going to happen?

[Mareeps]

When was the 1980's "apocolypse" supposedly was going to happen?
I heard it was 1984. They even made a disaster movie called 1984, not unlike the movie 2012. Its just movie directers profiting off the naive.

[david man45]

Dont forget about Y2K, and it has nothing to do with the kid, im sorry for the derailment.

[Mareeps]

Dont forget about Y2K, and it has nothing to do with the kid, im sorry for the derailment.
Y2K was mentioned in a previous post of mine, but either way, we have to get back on topic. (Its funny how a discussion about dumb parents can lead to 2012. Only on RU:cake:)

Seeing as how I have never seen a Wii gun that looked so much like a real gun, I have to wonder, what place would sell that? Wouldn't they get sued?

[Dudebro]

Back on topic I think this is a good example of why gay marriage and adoption should be legal. If hetero couples can do this kind of thing why are they held in such a high regard when it comes to family values? Bad parenting knows no gender or sexual preference.

[Kugyince]

Agreed.

Except no marriage should be acknowledged by the state, straight or gay.

[Dudebro]

Except no marriage should be acknowledged by the state, straight or gay.
Sure but we both know that's a pipe dream.

[david man45]

I think gay marrige should be illegal. Not saying my religion should be right and everyone has to follow it but I'm Christian and it clearly states in the bible, If a man lays down with another man, they are going to hell. And the country was formed because of, and on religious views.

[Kong]

My parent license idea (http://retrouprising.com/other/debate/violence-gaming-stronger-than-cigarettes-lung-cancer/t8860/#post110016) is starting to sound better now, huh?

Should these parents be penalized in any way? Jail time? Allowed to have more children?

Should they be allowed to profit off of it by suing somebody?

[david man45]

I think your right, they should have some sort of license
They should have some jail time in my opinion, for some sort of neglect or pure stupidity.
If they really cared they'd blame themselves.

[Kong]

If they really cared they'd blame themselves.It is very hard to do that especially when your baby is dead.

[david man45]

I cant imagine what it feels like but I know for sure I wouldnt blame it on something as dumb as a game controller

[Tails]

I think gay marrige should be illegal. Not saying my religion should be right and everyone has to follow it but I'm Christian and it clearly states in the bible, If a man lays down with another man, they are going to hell. And the country was formed because of, and on religious views.
If they love each other then more power to them, regardless of Gender.

[david man45]

I disagree.

[Tails]

Why? Cuz some guy in a robe told you it's wrong?

[david man45]

No, because its unnatural, nothing comes from it, and yes because I was taught that way. Nothing good comes from it.

[Tails]

but two people being happy together? Unnatural would be like 100 or so years ago, it's now the norm..

[david man45]

Unfortuanetly. Just because it makes you happy doesn't make it right.

[the_riesen]

wow i might sound all left-wingy on this... but i really hate gunz....

[david man45]

I say as long as they are put to some good reason or purpose, have as many as you want.

[samejamesbond]

And the country was formed because of, and on religious views.

Untrue.
It was based on Liberal thinkers of the Enlightenment period:


John Locke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charles de Secondat, baron de Montesquieu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Secondat,_baron_de_Montesquieu)

Voltaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Adam Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[david man45]

We came for religious freedom.

[samejamesbond]

Untrue, some did such as the Pilgrims of Plymouth Rock, but others was for a new way of life.

[Kong]

Stay on topic. Discuss gay marriage here
http://retrouprising.com/other/debate/gay-marriage-religious-topic-2-sorta/t2104/

There is also a more in depth topic on gun control
http://retrouprising.com/other/debate/pro-gun-control/t8069/

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We came for religious freedom.
More accurately they came to escape religious persecution and even that is not 100% truth. There is no one reason.

1. The country was not founded for the purpose to be a religious nation.
2. What ever the original purpose was doesn't really matter. You don't do something today because people 200 years ago wanted to do it. Make your own world; don't live in someone else's.

umm back on topic
Should these parents be penalized in any way? Jail time? Allowed to have more children?

Should they be allowed to profit off of it by suing somebody? .

[JonnyBigG]

In my state we have "Safe Gun Laws". This legislation makes it illegal to leave your guns laying around where they can be accessed by children. This is a terrible tragedy, and no doubt they parents are idiots. That said, we have a peeping tom in our neighborhood and if he gets caught, there will be a line of paople wanting to shoot him.
Guns are like any other tool. I don't sit around playing with a hammer, I only use it when I need it.

[Kugyince]

Stay on topic. Discuss gay marriage here
http://retrouprising.com/other/debate/gay-marriage-religious-topic-2-sorta/t2104/

I was just ready to point that out, thank you.

All future posts on gay marriage in this topic will be deleted.

[JKool]

Maybe the parents where fighting and left the kid alone.

[DrunkN]

Maybe the parents where fighting and left the kid alone.
I believe it's said that the parents were in separate rooms from each other.

[JKool]

I believe it's said that the parents were in separate rooms from each other.

They could be lieing.

[DrunkN]

Lying wouldn't help in the slightest.

You don't leave a kid alone with a gun and then tell the police that you weren't watching the kid while you were in the room long enough for the kid to kill herself.