Squall Leonhart: Awesome or Not?

[samejamesbond]

(Before you answer the poll, look at the facts list at the bottom.)

Squall Leonhart, protagonist of Final Fantasy VIII and supporting character
of the Kingdom Hearts series, is one of the coolest and popular video game
characters known to date.

My Dissidia friends think Cloud is cooler than him, what do you think?

FACTS:

- Can cast the most powerful spell in FF history. YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
- and the most powerful summon: YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
- and the most powerful Limit Break: YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
- Squall facepalmed before it was ever popular: Squall - Facepalm by ~Cookie-HedgehogFTW on deviantART (http://cookie-hedgehogftw.deviantart.com/art/Squall-Facepalm-131289257)
- Could pull of the "Whatever..."
- He has an army of mercenaries at his disposal.
- He can drive a car, and was one of two main characters in Chocobo Racing. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Chocobo_Squall.jpg
- He defeated the Warrior of Light in Dissidia. (Not even Sephiroth could do that.)
- He's the first non-FF7 character to fight Sephiroth.
- He was willing to fight Exdeath for Bartz.
- He never lost a fight in Dissidia.
- Almost every one in Dissidia call him the Lion.
- Sephiroth calls him a beast.
- He's one of the few people who can wield a gunblade.
- He actually defeated Sora in Kingdom Hearts.
- He led the army against the heartless.
- Both he and Cloud have held responsibility of watching over Aerith, only in his case (Kingdom Hearts) she lived.
- In fact while Cloud couldn't save Aerith once, Squall saved Rinoa 4 times.
- He can eat his enemies alive: Devour - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Devour)
- He makes money Legally.
- He was impailed by an ice spell then tortured and shook it off like it was nothing.
- Squall is the first FF character to get a female character themed on him: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/3/31/Paine_Art.PNG
- Renzokuken (24 hits) > Omnislash (15 hits)
- Squall can carry an 1000 foot tall sword. (Blasting Zone) YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
- He forgave Seifer after he: bullied him, cut his face, dated his girl before him,
tortured him, joined the evil side, tried to destroy his home, tried to kill him and all
of his friends, killed Odin, kidnapped his girl and gave her to Adel, etc. While
Cloud was the one asking for forgiveness in Advent Children.
- In most stories, students fall in love with their teacher. But in his case Quistis fell for him.
- He's defeated not 1, not 2, but 3 evil sourceresses.
- He finished Ultimecia before she could finish her evil speech, and she stayed dead.
- When told by a mysterious voice to leave the area, he not only ignores it, but then
proceeds to defeat two dragons, and answer a cryptic question with a
wise response, and he then destroys the king of dragons, and makes him his pet.
- Has a 3 headed dog for a pet, and a demon.
- Has been in space.


What do you think, is Squall awesome or not?

[Tails]

Overhyped characters I have the tendency to not like. So he isn't awesome.

[samejamesbond]

But is he cooler than Cloud in your mind?

[Tails]

I don't like either, but I guess.

[joz]

sorry man, I just didn't like the character and the game was ok in my opinion.

[ZedIsDead]

Gunblade = Awesome.

Squall = Not so awesome.

His personality sucks.

[samejamesbond]

I should have said his combat capabilities, not his attitude.

[joz]

Squall's attitude stinks soo bad I disliked his character even with all his awsome combat capabilities and accomplishments. Captain Falcon is more awsome compared to Squall by simply telling him "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!!" Then he goes "hmmf" and Falcon Punches him before he can use his limit break.

[Dudebro]

So what's the goal of this topic? Do you actually intend to debate the pros and cons or is this just an attempt to prove how awesome you think he is?

If you're not willing to give ground on any of this then it's not a debate. I don't see how you can have a serious discussion about which fictional character is better, it's all bias and opinion, none of it is facts. Well, they are factual events in a fictional story but it's still impossible to compare them with other works of fiction unless they are directly linked(FF7 and 8 are not).

Unless this goes in a debate direction I'll move it next time I check it.

[samejamesbond]

@jozman: I'll agree the Falcon trumps all, and Squall in FFVIII is a loser. Squall just has some awesome attacks and abillities.

@ Dudebro: It's fine to move the topic (The facts are true btw).

[joz]

Agreed, Squall is an awsome fighter.

[Demon-Mask]

Squall is pretty awesome, I mean at least he's better than emo-kid Cloud.

[ZedIsDead]

Aren't they both emo?

[Demon-Mask]

Aren't they both emo?
Squall is less emo than Cloud at least. And Squall has a better weapon and cooler hair.

[Dudebro]

@ Dudebro: It's fine to move the topic (The facts are true btw).
Man you don't give up:lol: Yes they're true but only in that reality. Can Squall kill Galactus(No.)? We may never know because they don't exist in the same reality. We can make wild guesses but it will go in circles every time.

I don't want you to get the wrong idea about why I would move this. It is a debate but it's not a serious one with controversial opinions. It's nothing personal against you or Squall.:p

Btw I voted in favor of Squall this time. I may not like him but I can recognize that Square made him into a good character that a lot of people like. He just needs to lose the fur lined half coat. Maybe that's ok in Japan but that wouldn't go over well in America.

[Demon-Mask]

Btw I voted in favor of Squall this time. I may not like him but I can recognize that Square made him into a good character that a lot of people like. He just needs to lose the fur lined half coat. Maybe that's ok in Japan but that wouldn't go over well in America.
He does need to lose the coat, and maybe get one without fur that fits him.

[samejamesbond]

Nomura gave Squall a fur coat because he wanted to give the cutscene animators a tough time.
Isn't that nice of him?

@Dudebro: I honestly though you were just giving me a hard time.

[Tails]

He always gives people a hard time.

[Demon-Mask]

Nomura gave Squall a fur coat because he wanted to give the cutscene animators a tough time.
Isn't that nice of him?

@Dudebro: I honestly though you were just giving me a hard time.
I understand the fur, it is the size that bugs me most.

Many artists try to give the animators troubles.

[Dudebro]

He always gives people a hard time.
You say it like it's a bad thing.

[joz]

Hehehe! You said HARD! http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/images/beavis-butthead.jpeg

[Tails]

You say it like it's a bad thing.
At times it is.

[samejamesbond]

It can be very irritating.

---------- Post added at 08:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:36 PM ----------

I was bored today and I decided to see who was the greatest Dissidia hero based on who they defeat/get defeated by.

Based on the story this is how is ends up:

1. Squall Leonhart
2 or 3. Warrior of Light
2 or 3. Cecil Harvey
4. Bartz Klauser
5. Onion Knight
6. Terra Bradsford
7 or 8. Cloud Strife
7 or 8. Zidane Tribal
9. Firion
10. Tidus

It proves Squall's epicness.

I don't wish to go into detail, but I'll explain if I have to.

Edit: Should I do the villains too?

[joz]

yes you have to explain it and yes please do the villians aswell.

[samejamesbond]

Ok it goes like this (it's lengthy):

I started with Squall since he is the only person not to lose/tie a fight in Dissidia.

-Squall defeats Kuja, Warrior of Light and Ultimecia (Sq > Ku,Wol,Ulti)

-Warrior of Light defeats Garland, Sephiroth, Emperor, and Ultimecia but loses to Squall. Sephiroth in turn defeats Firion. (Sq > Wol > Fir)

-Firion defeats Jecht and the Emperor and ties with Ultimecia, but Tidus loses to the Emperor (Sq > Wol > Fir > Tid) Since Squall and WoL defeated Ultimecia but he ties, it proves hes lower.

-Cloud defeats Firion and Sephiroth but loses to Terra. (Ter > Cld > Fir > Tid)

-Terra defeats Cloud and Kefka (not after tieing with him), but loses to Onion Knight.

-Onion Knight defeats Terra and Cloud of Darkness but loses to Exdeath, who Bartz defeats. He also ties with Kefka. (Brtz > OK > Ter > Cld > Fir > Tid)

-Bartz defeats Exdeath but ties with Golbez, who Cecil defeats. (Ccl > Brtz > OK > Ter > Cld> Fir > Tid)

-Cecil defeats both Exdeath and ties with Golbez once and a second time defeats. But nothing conclusively labels him better than the WoL.

-Zidane defeats Kuja and Garland, but ties with Kefka. Zidane is lower than Terra but has no specific area.

-Tidus only defeats Jecht, but loses to the Emperor (who Firion defeated).

I'll do the villains next.

[joz]

I really have to play this game! What system is this for again?

[samejamesbond]

PSP.

The villans are much harder, because only two villans fight one another: Jecht and the Emperor.

[Dudebro]

At times it is.
It can be very irritating.
Well if you guys know I always give people a hard time, why do you let it bother you so much? If I'm really trying to be a dickhead you'll know.

[Kugyince]

DB, I'm surprised you voted for Squall with your distaste for the game.

[samejamesbond]

Reality is, if you look past his FF8 personality (not Kingdom Hearts or other spin-offs)
he has an awesome arsonal, and despite having a loser of a father, still is on top.

[Kugyince]

You have bad taste in protagonists.

[samejamesbond]

Hey I don't base things on personalities, just on their abilities. (In case you didn't notice.)

But if I had to chose a person based on character it would easily be Zack Fair,
no Final Fantasy character comes close to his compasionate personality.

Maybe Laguna, but he's a total clutz.

[Dudebro]

DB, I'm surprised you voted for Squall with your distaste for the game.
Btw I voted in favor of Squall this time. I may not like him but I can recognize that Square made him into a good character that a lot of people like. He just needs to lose the fur lined half coat. Maybe that's ok in Japan but that wouldn't go over well in America.
I guess it's more like I conceded that many other people think he's awesome. I should've voted not but I feel I owe Squall a vote for the trash I be talkin'.

[Belmontzar]

Squall is like most RPG heroes. Hes the 'good guy' and most good guys in rpg games, specifically main character hero types, gain some rediculus powers later on. Im not sure if this is true for ff8, but I kno that in FF7, if you have cloud, he has to be in your party at all times.. as a result, you end up with one character who will ALWAYS be the strongest character, while tryign to help other characters catch up.
Epic boss batle begins: first attack whipes out msot of the party, Cloud takes 0 damage.. My reaction: o.o

I haven't voted in the poll, nor have I played very far in his game, WHEN I had access to it.. Nor have I played dissidia, so this is all the reaction I have for him. In Kh he was awesome. FF8 I never got attached to him due to not playing the game for very long.

(and im not going to vote a character as awesome just due to some cameo rolls and a boss fight in a few games..)

[Dudebro]

I did play the majority of FF8 and Squall isn't that bad really. When it comes to why I dislike the game he's only a minor consideration. My main beef was the junctioning system. I thought it sucked hard and ruined the experience.

[Belmontzar]

I did play the majority of FF8 and Squall isn't that bad really. When it comes to why I dislike the game he's only a minor consideration. My main beef was the junctioning system. I thought it sucked hard and ruined the experience.
oh you mena the whole.. you dont LEARN spells.. you steal spells from enemies thing? Yeah I thought that was kinda stupid..

[Dudebro]

Yeah I think it wasn't well thought out and it ended up being a boring time sink.

[Belmontzar]

"dammit! come on quistis cast Cure! .... waht do you mean you 'Ran out'? Oh CRAP!' -deaded XP-

[Kugyince]

Squall is like most RPG heroes. Hes the 'good guy' and most good guys in rpg games, specifically main character hero types, gain some rediculus powers later on. Im not sure if this is true for ff8, but I kno that in FF7, if you have cloud, he has to be in your party at all times.. as a result, you end up with one character who will ALWAYS be the strongest character, while tryign to help other characters catch up.
Epic boss batle begins: first attack whipes out msot of the party, Cloud takes 0 damage.. My reaction: o.o
Another reason why FF6 is cooler.

[Tails]

Disgaea is cooler!

[fenrir1887]

Squall has his detractors and I'm not one of them. I feel Squall is a good character with just a few traits that people hate. I couldn't tell you what exactly since I didn't get too far in the game.

[Midsummer]

Hey, OP, thanks for posting these facts about the guy (even the Dissidia ones - and on that note, I'm really glad they stayed true to the source material and let what was evident to be his top priority in life [combat] shine in his story interactions). I voted him as an awesome hero, and I would do so if the poll was either about his sheer combative skills, or his personality. I know that's a controversial thought, so I'll explain it:

If you examine his actions logically and objectively you'll find that in many senses, he was a terrifically rational good guy. I know a lot of people call him "emo" - which was [a poorly defined colloquial term and was] basically an idea of a whiner, complainer, and someone who was too negatively emotional - but Squall actually didn't complain or voice his emotions much at all. Even his thoughts weren't all "woe is me, this sucks, he's so mean, wah wah." He turned his experience with Seifer into a good thing, saying he felt like he could take on anything even it if fought dirty, thanks to Seifer. Though Squall would call stupid actions stupid, like Laguna's awkward klutzy episodes. (I like Laguna, but when he acted like a moron, Squall reasonably called it like it was. And it's annoying for some ppl to have to watch stuff like that the way Ellone would make them, so it's understandable that someone would vent [the truth]) And if you wanted to call him away from a chick who asked him to dance at his one an only Graduation Ceremony, whom he was actually interested in, (like Quistis did) so that you can personally chat with him about your problems and depressing stuff that he knows he can't do anything about, he'll tell you "go talk to a wall." I mean, it's kind of inconsiderate to use your instructor's privileges to force someone away from their activities so that you can unload your issues on them, isn't it?

People also call him a "jerk," but a jerk is someone who picks problems with people (like Seifer), not someone who minds his own business or wants to be left alone. Btw, if you need help, or accidentally bump into him, his first choice (as per the game) is actually to help you. Take time out of his day to bring you to guidance terminal and digitally give you a tour of the academy (isn't that right, Selphie). Someone's in danger on the road in the Dollet's SeeD exam? First guy to rush up and grab the victim's hand to help him is Squall. Again, he's helpful dude and unarguably a good guy, but people just don't like how "unfriendly" he was, it usually seems. And that's one virtue he did not have - he was not "friendly in an outgoing way." Didn't shake Zell's hand when he...wiped it off on his pants after planting his hands on the hall floor after cutting a couple flips... Ahem, but yeah, he could have been way more friendly - but I don't demand that of someone for me to like them, and won't call them inaccurate insults if they're not nice enough for me. You have the right to be introverted - that's okay. More importantly, imo, he was always trying to do the right thing, honor contracts, assess situations properly. That was awesome. He was just, logical, and dedicated to being powerful enough to make a positive difference in the world. And those are points galore - in his world, when individual ppl can amass the kind of power that a sorceress or a strong soldier can, it is a fantastically efficient idea to prioritize attaining high levels of power if you're in the war business. And instead of hanging out and socializing and being a more well-rounded guy, Squall apparently trained much of his time. More than any of his 5 teammates, and Quistis made a comment about how above the cut he was in the Fire Cave Exam, commenting that he and Seifer were truly in a league of their own. I'm sorry the guy kind of lost his head over Rinoa after she went comatose (boy, he loved that girl), but even still, that dedicated dude was a fighter to the core - a lion-hearted, coldly calculating, determined beast of balanced swordsman and his efforts proved worthwhile. That powerrrr! He was dedicated to being unstoppable (gave the finger to bloody Time Compression!), and his vicious attacks and style said more about his psychology than he ever voiced. Vicious, man - he used the blade, infused energy/explosions to his physical attacks, could use any magic masterfully, continued to do so even in Dissidia, led his team with effective strategies even though he never wanted to rule over/be better than people, knew that "you're born alone, you die alone, and that a wise person depends most on him/herself," learned that allies/friends are still a great thing to have and appreciate in life... I loved it. Still love him - I rock that Sleeping Lion keyblade on my car keys. Well that's my long-winded opinion, everyone has a right to their own. I love dem facts, again, though. :]

[Dudebro]

You must really feel strongly about Squall. Welcome to RU.

Rereading this topic made me smile.

[samejamesbond]

I like this guy, he knows the good things in life.