Most bad ass villian?

[joz]

Ok so who's the baddest bad ass villian in RU?

[Tails]

Magus, he's not even on the list. :(

[joz]

Magus, he's not even on the list. :(


Well since he isn't really the main villian I didn't put him on here. Remember he is a controlable character. His motives are just a bit misunderstood. He is a great character though. I'd team up Crono, Magus and Robo to fight Lavos.

[jim5cents]

there has been a similar poll or topic about this before. as before, i will post the arguement for the obvious choice.

Badass of the Week: Kefka Palazzo (Cefka) (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/kefka.html)

[joz]

there has been a similar poll or topic about this before. as before, i will post the arguement for the obvious choice.

Badass of the Week: Kefka Palazzo (Cefka) (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/kefka.html)

I haven't seen a poll on this before. I got the idea to do this because of a previous poll on Kefka being epic or not.
+1 for the awsome link!

[TrakMastaTom]

Hitler. Duh.

[jim5cents]

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/godwins-law-9796.jpg

[DrunkN]

It's different if you're actually referring to Hitler and not comparing someone to him.

[joz]

I think TMT is referring to Bionic Commando's end boss. YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[Demon-Mask]

Kefka, no contest.

[jim5cents]

I think TMT is referring to Bionic Commando's end boss.

eh, but i would nominate that for best villian death, same applies to the bc:rearmed version.

[DrunkN]

I think TMT is referring to Bionic Commando's end boss.
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/452272/722945.png

[Dudebro]

It was a tough choice but I went with Shang Tsung. He's one of the evilest bastards ever created and no one can trust him, not even the evil gods of Mortal Kombat. That and he keeps dieing and coming back. I guess hell doesn't want him either.

[DrunkN]

Kefka may be awesome, but he's no Dracula.

[Kugyince]

Kefka, hands down.

The rest are just posers who tried to take over. Not only did Kefka succeed in world domination/destruction, he became God in the process.

[irishman420]

I voted For old Shang Tsung as well there , He is my favorite player and he has always consistantly lived through all of the threequels forquels and so on , plus he can steal your soul , hitler can't mess with that ! Dracula has a close second though ,...

[Dudebro]

Shang Tsung also took over the world on a couple of occasions and he ruled the outworld realm. Not to have a nerd off about it but Shang is at least equal with Kefkas accomplishments.

[samejamesbond]

You know who's an under appreciated villain?
Emperor Mateus from Final Fantasy II.

He successfully took over hell. I don't think Kefka could have done that.

[Dudebro]

If Kefka had godlike powers then it's entirely possible, imo.

[samejamesbond]

Let me correct myself,

Mateus took over Hell AND Heaven at the same time.
And proceded to take over the world of Final Fantasy II.

Only Firion stoped him. Doesn't that make Firion the manliest final fantasy character?

[Kugyince]

No, seriously. Dude became the God.

Never got how your group was able to kill God though.

[Dudebro]

Well obviously Kefka wasn't truely a god at that point. I thought it was understood that if they didn't stop him there he would become unstoppable?

[samejamesbond]

No you don't get it, Mateus' soul split in two.

He then became Satan:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/6/68/EmperorPalamecia.png

And god (like Kefka) at the same time:


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/a8/Emeror_Soul_PSP.png

Also he poisoned a country before Kefka did.

How do you do that?!?

[Slime Slayer]

No, seriously. Dude became the God.

Never got how your group was able to kill God though.
dracula is beyond god/satan's power

[Dudebro]

dracula is beyond god/satan's power
Since when? I know that he's almost immortal but how is he anywhere close to the god level?

[david man45]

My vote is for Bison. My second would be Shang Tsun though.

[Slime Slayer]

Since when? I know that he's almost immortal but how is he anywhere close to the god level?
he has no soul, in fact ive heard you can even run into satan in draculas castle

[Dudebro]

I guess we're reading different source material. I've always heard that Dracula and vampires are part of satans horde so to speak. Also I was under the impression that satan is his creator(corrupter?)and that's why he has a weakness, there's always a balance.

[Slime Slayer]

you got some bad info db, dracula is an anomaly

[Dudebro]

Where are you getting this info from? I'm not trying to debate anything I'm just curious.

[Slime Slayer]

ummm... castlevania.. duh

[Dudebro]

If that's true then what happens to him when he dies? I thought he went to hell so he could be reborn for the next game. Maybe I should read up on my Castlevania lore.

[joz]

In Bram Stoker, Dracula cursed God and sold his soul transforming into the Count Dracula. I could be a bit off but that's how I remember it. In the end it just depends on what version of Dracula you read. Some stories say he sold his soul. Others say he was born like that. He's a servant sent from Satan. The lore changes depending on who's telling it.

[Dudebro]

That's true but I've still never heard of the version Steven is talking about.

[Slime Slayer]

whats up with the shang tsung votes? he failed so miserably at being a villian the he got turned into a regular kombatant.

[Dudebro]

I just picked him because of his powers and how evil he is. There is nothing good about him or what he does.

[joz]

whats up with the shang tsung votes? he failed so miserably at being a villian the he got turned into a regular kombatant.

Shang Tsung wasn't that bad of a villian. He stole countless souls and has Scorpion and Sub Zero doing his biddings.
Yeah he did fail at fulfilling his goals, but so does everyone on the list. They all got defeated in the end.

[Dudebro]

Shang Tsung wasn't that bad of a villian. He stole countless souls and has Scorpion and Sub Zero doing his biddings.
Yeah he did fail at fulfilling his goals, but so does everyone on the list. They all got defeated in the end.
Exactly. In effect they all fail in this category. Is there any video game villain who didn't get defeated by an unassuming protagonist?

[Demon-Mask]

How about the under-represented Zeromus? He may be no Kefka, but he was still pretty bad-ass.

[jim5cents]

Exactly. In effect they all fail in this category. Is there any video game villain who didn't get defeated by an unassuming protagonist?

at least 3 times a week, some undereducated middle schooler couldn't figure out where new mexico was or what the captial of peru was and hence, carmin sandiego would get away

[Dudebro]

I mean is there a villain who never actually lost? I know there must be some famous examples but I can't think of them atm.

[Demon-Mask]

I mean is there a villain who never actually lost? I know there must be some famous examples but I can't think of them atm.
You can't think of any, because there aren't many.

[jim5cents]

i suppose you could make a halfhearted arguement for donkey kong...yeah, mario beats him on the the rivets level, but dk keeps coming back, and ultimately, the kill screen gets mario in the end...end result, victory for dk.

[Demon-Mask]

i suppose you could make a halfhearted arguement for donkey kong...yeah, mario beats him on the the rivets level, but dk keeps coming back, and ultimately, the kill screen gets mario in the end...end result, victory for dk.
A bit shaky, but it works.

[Dudebro]

Nah I don't count that since no one intended for the kill screen to be the end of the game.

[Timber Wolf]

The Kohr-Ah from Star Control II were pretty bad ass, they go around killing all like in the universe, just because they're paranoid about being enslaved again, and if you don't finish the game in time, then they do succeed in killing everything. Joshua O'Brien piloted #0, Aretha in Armored Core 4, and was pretty badass

[joz]

The Kohr-Ah from Star Control II were pretty bad ass, they go around killing all like in the universe, just because they're paranoid about being enslaved again, and if you don't finish the game in time, then they do succeed in killing everything. Joshua O'Brien piloted #0, Aretha in Armored Core 4, and was pretty badass


Sure, but if you never finish any game then the villian would in fact win against you.

[Dudebro]

Yeah exactly, the intended ending is beating them so it doesn't count in this.

I know it's kinda stupid but now I'm genuinely interested in figuring this out. I know I've read books where the antagonist wins but I can't recall any games where that happened, and I've played a lot of RPGs.

[joz]

I remember my dad telling me about some old Mexican Western where the bad guy wins at the end, then turns to look at the camera and says "I bet you didn't expect that!" in spanish of course.
What about in a game where you play the antagonist like AVP?

[Dudebro]

I just realized this was in debate, moved to the appropriate section. If anyone notices something like this please let me know and I'll take care of it.

[Belmontzar]

he has no soul, in fact ive heard you can even run into satan in draculas castle


Yeah.. Dracula has DEATH himself as his B*^(# slave.. power wise hes a mosnter as well.. you almost need the vampire killer And or to have his blood line. ((Which technically the belmonts have as well.. Seeing how Trever belmont is sonia and Alucard's son.*) all the characters to beat dracula are either related to him by blood or have the epic VK. After all, Like I said earleir, Dracy has Death as a lacky! You dont get much more bad azz then that!. Hell to finaly kill him off the had to seal his castle and soul into a bloody ECLIPSE! THen he still got reincarnated as Soma Cruz! No matter what you do Drac just WONt die...


Adn KefKa.. Even as a GOD who destroys the world and gains ultimate power.. and he STILL got his butt kicked by a couple mortals... either those guys are somethign or.. Kefka is the weakest god ever..

*see castlevania legends for that... regardless of whatever stupid time line thing Kojima does Sonia is canon, theres no way she isn't canon..

[joz]

Adn KefKa.. Even as a GOD who destroys the world and gains ultimate power.. and he STILL got his butt kicked by a couple mortals... either those guys are somethign or.. Kefka is the weakest god ever..
..

Those guys were really something.

[Kong]

Is there any video game villain who didn't get defeated by an unassuming protagonist?In Out of this World you just run away. The evil aliens continue on with their slave mastering duties. In the unofficial sequel you destroy their operation. There isn't a single villain though, just evil aliens and they fail in their task of catching you.

In Dune you can play the bad guys and win.

You could say Donkey Kong won because he went on to be his own successful protagonists in many games and jump man (the real protagonist of Donkey Kong) never had another game.

I don't think there are any games where the character you are controlling can not win. So for the villain to truly win you have to be the villain.

[joz]

Damb! Dracula is giving my boy Kefka a run for his money.

[Kugyince]

I'm trying to think of a game where even though you beat the end boss, in the final cutscenes the villains plan succeeds anyways.

[DrunkN]

I'm trying to think of a game where even though you beat the end boss, in the final cutscenes the villains plan succeeds anyways.
F.E.A.R and F.E.A.R 2 are good examples.

[Belmontzar]

You could say Donkey Kong won because he went on to be his own successful protagonists in many games and jump man (the real protagonist of Donkey Kong) never had another game.


wait.. jump man does have more games.. in DK jr hes the antagonist who has Donkey kong caged up. Plus later on he becomes Mario.. So jumpman has TONS of games Because jumpman is Mario.

[Tails]

Also Jumpman Junior.

[DrunkN]

I really think Gilgamesh(FFV) should have gotten onto this list instead of Lavos. And Jafaar(Super Prince of Persia) would cream Bloody Malth.

[joz]

I really think Gilgamesh(FFV) should have gotten onto this list instead of Lavos. And Jafaar(Super Prince of Persia) would cream Bloody Malth.

Yeah, could have put Gilgamesh in there, but then again X Death is his boss so he'd be the bigger villian of the two. I just didn't want to put two villians from the FF series so I picked baddest of the bunch.

I never played Super Prince of Persia, so I didn't even know Jafaar is the villian there. I was also trying to look for original games created villians instead of movie inspired game villians. I know Dracula was in the movie business way before the gaming industry was even imaginable. He really is that big of an iconic figure when you think of NES games in my opinion.

[fenrir1887]

As far as I'm concerned, a case could be made for Kefka. Still, I think Dracula is still far more bad ass than Kefka. At least Dracula doesn't look like a clown who took too many shots to the head.

[joz]

Yeah but Dracula can die if he gets hit by sunshine. Kefka may dress like a clown, but think of him like Homie the Clown, he just don't mess around.

[fenrir1887]

That may be, but like all good villains, everybody we discuss gets beaten in the end. Besides, Dracula hasn't been killed on a permanent basis yet. Why hasn't Kefka reappeared?

[joz]

That may be, but like all good villains, everybody we discuss gets beaten in the end. Besides, Dracula hasn't been killed on a permanent basis yet. Why hasn't Kefka reappeared?

A Final Fantasy sequel was unheard of until recently. Instead of re-using the same villian, new ones were created along with new heros and worlds and what not. I think that was great because you really didn't need a sequel to any FF game. A great story really ends when the credits roll.
Maybe Dracula needs a really bad ass hero who could actually finish the job. Does that answer your question?

[Tails]

I'm likin' this talk.

However, I feel Dracula is overused big time.

[joz]

I'm likin' this talk.

However, I feel Dracula is overused big time.


Exactly my point. He needs to pass his cape to a successor. He really needs to get some lucky chick knocked up.

[fenrir1887]

Actually it does. Another villain who tends to be rather overused would be M. Bison of the Street Fighter series. Come on, now. Nobody ever thinks of fighting game villains anymore now that games like FF VI come out.

[Tails]

Thought he had Alucard though?

[fenrir1887]

On top of that, who would replace Dracula, the ultimate vampire? He's not one who would rest on his coattails and let some wimp take over.

[Tails]

Frankenstien, Tenser, Wolfman?

[fenrir1887]

Seriously, Alucard might not be able to do it. I've played various Castlevania games. Dracula is a stubborn old bat who will not relinquish his power. A few good villains do not.

[Tails]

Eggman don't let his power of torturing creatures stop, yet he's a bumbling idiot.

[fenrir1887]

I know, but Eggman's always been Sonic's nemesis. If they let go of Eggman forever, Sonic would suck eggs, if you catch my drift.

[samejamesbond]

That may be, but like all good villains, everybody we discuss gets beaten in the end. Besides, Dracula hasn't been killed on a permanent basis yet. Why hasn't Kefka reappeared?

Dracula does get killed, by Julius Belmont before Aria of Sorrow.
(1999 in the series timeline.)

[Tails]

But he already sucks eggs o.o

[fenrir1887]

Really? Then why in the world did Castlevania bring him back in Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness?

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Eggman is still a bumbler, but I do not see anyone such as Ixis Naugas replacing him.

[Tails]

in the last few games it seems he's being replaced by random nobodies.

[samejamesbond]

Really? Then why in the world did Castlevania bring him back in Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness?

---------- Post added at 02:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:15 PM ----------

Eggman is still a bumbler, but I do not see anyone such as Ixis Naugas replacing him.

Lament of Innocence is the first game in the castlevania timeline. (1094)
While Curse of Darkness is in 1479.

Eggman is epic for creating the Pingas meme.

[fenrir1887]

I see. Still, Dracula would never let death stop him. Anyway, not many people realize that as Lord of Vampires, his influence is still far-reaching.

[joz]

Well Kefka is winning this poll as of now. I guess Dracula's influence can't reach far enough to beat Kefka.:p

[Tails]

*votes Dracula*

[samejamesbond]

I find Psycho Mantis cooler than Dracula.

[joz]

*votes Dracula*

:loser:

[Slime Slayer]

Dracula will never die!!!!

[samejamesbond]

But he does, and then Soma Cruz inherits his powers.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Dracula always gets revived by some agent of his or another though.

[joz]

Then in order to defeat Dracula, his body would have to be guarded 24/7 and kill all of his minions.

[fenrir1887]

That's not possible. We do not know who they all are.

[joz]

That's not possible. We do not know who they all are.

Then burn it all!!!YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[fenrir1887]

Right, and you'd destroy the entire gaming universe, bad guys and all.

[samejamesbond]

Dracula always gets revived by some agent of his or another though.

A cult tries to create a new dark lord, by attempting to kill Soma in Dawn of Sorrow.

[fenrir1887]

That's true. I've played Dawn of Sorrow. They don't get too far because in the end, Soma wins.

[joz]

Man I really missed out on a bunch of games from the Castlevania series...all this is new to me.

[fenrir1887]

My friend owns it and Portrait of Ruin. Another example of a minion trying to either revive Dracula or usurp his power.

[samejamesbond]

Yeah, in Portrait of Ruin, Brauner the artist vampire is trying to take draculas power
to kill mankind for killing his daughters in WWI, so he's using the death from WWII
to reconstruct draculas castle.

Portait of Ruin easily has the best final boss in the series:
It's crazy difficult, but 100% awesome.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[fenrir1887]

Richard got the recently released Castlevania: Ecclesia of Order. It's a game that centers around a woman not of the Belmont line.

[samejamesbond]

I've heard good things from friends who've played it.,
she apparantly can use Soul of Dominance like Soma.

[fenrir1887]

Yep, and it's proof Dracula will not stay dead because again, his minions try to resurrect him.

[samejamesbond]

Yeah, but it takes place in the 1800's, not 2035 like Dawn of Sorrow.

Alucard himself says Dracula is dead in Aria of Sorrow.

[fenrir1887]

That may be, but because Dracula seems to be the epicenter of these conspiracies, it stands to reason he extends his influence beyond death. Kefka couldn't inspire so many would-be Lords of Destruction, a title Dracula has held no matter if he was always beaten.

[samejamesbond]

Kefka did have a cult that worshiped him.

[joz]

Ok so who would win in a one on one fight, Dracula or Kefka? You all know who I think would win, but lets compare their powers and abilities.

Kefka has magic spells from Heal 3 to Ultima.
Dracula can transform into a bat...he throws fireballs too right?

[samejamesbond]

And he can absorb the souls of monsters, just look at him in Portrait of Ruin. (One of my previous posts.)

[joz]

Kefka has no soul.

[samejamesbond]

You speak the truth.

[Demon-Mask]

What about Liquid Ocelot?

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mgs_meme.jpg

[joz]

He's got killer abs for being that old.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah, and Liquid lives on through an arm attached to Ocelot, that's got to count for something.

[joz]

Ok he gets 10 points for having a creepy arm. No but seriously, Ocelot is a great character that brings a lot to the MG games.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah, except that meow is kind of annoying.

[samejamesbond]

Finally someone who agrees with me, his younger self isn't that cool.


(NSFW)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[joz]

Yeah that could have been taken out and Ocelot would have been that much cooler.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah, it gets really annoying when he meows right in the middle of a fight with him in MGS 3.

[joz]

Finally someone who agrees with me, his younger self isn't that cool.


One must go down the wrong path in order to realize he is on the wrong path. Good think Ocelot got his act together.

[Demon-Mask]

Finally someone who agrees with me, his younger self isn't that cool.


(NSFW)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_SsWNkRz4)

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IADyel4bnyk&feature=related)

He really isn't cool when he's young.

Nice videos, are they from the second disk of the subsistence version of MGS3.

[samejamesbond]

Yeah they are, Kojima has a good sense of humor.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[Demon-Mask]

My favorite is the 'Metal Gear Raiden' one. I have the first release of the game, so I don't want to buy the whole thing, just the second disc.

[samejamesbond]

Yeah, that one has some good laughs.

[joz]

I just didn't like the fact that I was controling Raiden...I wanted to be Snake.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah, that one has some good laughs.
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

And the disk has Metal Gear 2

[DrunkN]

I never played Super Prince of Persia, so I didn't even know Jafaar is the villian there. I was also trying to look for original games created villians instead of movie inspired game villians. I know Dracula was in the movie business way before the gaming industry was even imaginable. He really is that big of an iconic figure when you think of NES games in my opinion.
Well it is based on the Arabian Nights, and you can't have Arabian Nights without Jaffar.

IMO Jaffar has one of the best final boss fights of all time. As opposed to most bosses where the boss is much more powerful, in this case Jaffar fights you with his sword, and if you've collected a lot of health boosts, it's actually a fair fight. This is one of the few final bosses I consider to actually be a "duel". No fancy jumping or sliding is going to keep you from getting hurt, only your skill can help you.

http://i.neoseeker.com/p/Games/Super_Nintendo/Action/Adventure/prince_of_persia_profilelarge.jpg

[joz]

I'll agree with you there. A duel is the way to prove who is more skilled. Hey, Liquid and Solid Snake duke it out aswell now that I think about it.

[fenrir1887]

Come on, you'd think this debate would be settled. We're trying to solve who is more bad ass, Kefka or Dracula. Although, having Liquid and Solid Snake duel sounds interesting.

[joz]

Ok then I say Kefka would beat Dracula and make him his bitch.
Dracula has super strenght, can transform into a bat, has minions at his disposal and has some magical abilities. Granted he is immortal, but he can be defeated time after time by the Belmont clan.
Kefka has tons of spells ranging from healing to attacking spells, has plenty of minions to throw at you, unleashed a bunch of dragons and Deathgaze, and is practically a god.

Dracula was defeated by one person from the same clan every time he appears.
Kefka was defeated by a team of 14 with the help of many espers.

I'd say Kefka wins.

[fenrir1887]

No, because first off, you get the same thing in Final Fantasy VIII. I myself watched that final boss fight and that guy'd tear Kefka a new one on his own. Besides, there are bosses out there that only take one person to beat.

[samejamesbond]

I agree Ultimecia is a monster final boss, she's the most unapreciated villain in all of gaming.

She could only be defeated by the manliest FF character of course.

[fenrir1887]

Ultimecia would be someone who could KO Kefka in a fight. So the number of people it takes to ill someone is not a quality needed to be bad ass.

[joz]

fenrir1887; Ultimecia would be someone who could KO Kefka in a fight.


Yeah that's great and all, but I am only talking about villians that appear in retro games here in RU. Ultimecia comes out for playstation, so she doens't count here.


So the number of people it takes to ill kill someone is not a quality needed to be bad ass.


That's a matter of opinion. I believe its a good quality to be considered bad ass.

[fenrir1887]

I'll give you that as far as Ultimecia goes. But if the number of people it took to beat a bad guy was worth something, there'd be no real bad ass villain. I'm sure there's someone out there who took more guys to beat than Kefka.

[DrunkN]

Kefka has tons of spells ranging from healing to attacking spells, has plenty of minions to throw at you, unleashed a bunch of dragons and Deathgaze, and is practically a god.
All of his powers came from Espers and the Warring Triad. In my opinion, when you take away those abilities you're just left with a cruel and whiny general who dresses like a clown. Not to say that most villains aren't notable when you take away their power, but something should be left.

[Demon-Mask]

All of his powers came from Espers and the Warring Triad. In my opinion, when you take away those abilities you're just left with a cruel and whiny general who dresses like a clown. Not to say that most villains aren't notable when you take away their power, but something should be left.
His laugh is still pretty entertaining.

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I'll agree with you there. A duel is the way to prove who is more skilled. Hey, Liquid and Solid Snake duke it out aswell now that I think about it.
They do in MGS and MGS4.
I just didn't like the fact that I was controling Raiden...I wanted to be Snake.
Raiden was stupid, but at least he was athletic.

[Kugyince]

Please, what kind of bad ass can be shielded with a clove of garlic?

[DrunkN]

Please, what kind of bad ass can be shielded with a clove of garlic?
What kind of bad ass throws a fit when his enemies get away?

I only actually liked Kefka after he becomes a god and explains how he plans to just destroy everything out of boredom. But then I thought how essentially the same thing would happen to anyone who became a god. Still, towards the end he gets some impressive dialogue as a villain and his theme songs are great. It's kind of a halfsies feeling towards him.

[Kugyince]

What kind of bad ass throws a fit when his enemies get away?

I imagine most do. That's hardly any sort of retort. I grew to like Kefka after he wiped out Doma Castle. Loved him after he killed Gen Leo.

What kind of bad ass villian can't cross running water? Can't enter someone's home without being invited? Can be deterred by a little cross? Can be killed from a little sunburn?

Kefka could make it rain holy water. He has nothing to fear from some little peon with more weaknesses then strengths.

[Tails]

Tenser why would you invite Dracula in?

[Kugyince]

Tenser why would you invite Dracula in?

Exactly.

[joz]

All of his powers came from Espers and the Warring Triad. In my opinion, when you take away those abilities you're just left with a cruel and whiny general who dresses like a clown. Not to say that most villains aren't notable when you take away their power, but something should be left.

Doesn't really matter where he got the power from, what matters is that he does have it. Take Superman for instance, he's only powerful because of the sun the earth has. In his home planet, the sun there has no such effect. Take away the sun and he's just a wimp in glasses.

[fenrir1887]

Give me a break. All bad guys hate it when you take their power away. For your information, according to DC, there are other solar systems with the kind of suns Superman needs for his powers to work.

[Demon-Mask]

Ah, but it doesn't apply to ALL solar systems.

[fenrir1887]

That's true. Still, Superman has his wits about him most of the time. Most bad guys who don't are morons. Kefka would be one of those who would use their heads when their powers failed them.

[joz]

Give me a break. All bad guys hate it when you take their power away. For your information, according to DC, there are other solar systems with the kind of suns Superman needs for his powers to work.


that's great, but what help would Superman do us in another solar system anyways.

[fenrir1887]

Okay, I'll grant that he's no help in another solar system. Still, it's pretty sad when a bad guy with no real powers like Eggman, who HackNSlash insists on calling Robotnik, tries to compete with either Kefka or Dracula. Eggman's a loser. I'd have Kefka kill him outright.

[Slime Slayer]

Dracula takes the lead!!!!!!

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off topic: is there something on this site that prevents you from using all caps?

[fenrir1887]

Not that I'm aware of. Anyway, Dracula's persistent in the face of death. Hard to find anyone outside of Kefka who matches that determination.

[Kugyince]

@SC13: Yes.

[samejamesbond]

Kefka needed 12 people to kill him, while
Dracula is killed by 1 Belmont each time.

12 > 1

[fenrir1887]

Note you said each time. That implies a long running feud between Dracula and the Belmonts. Every time Dracula comes up a Belmont is there to stop him. Kefka dies only once.

[joz]

Ok so Dracula beat Kefka at failing multiple times. Woohoo!
One would think that he could get it right eventually, but he proves time and time again that he just doens't have what it takes to beat the Belmonts.

[fenrir1887]

jozman, the problem with that is no villain is ever allowed to win. As proof that success eludes all, let's talk about Dracula. While he gets back up, he always loses. Kefka is no different. How would it look for any good guy to lose on a permanent basis?

[joz]

It would make for a great twist in the end. I would like the bad guy to win every now and then. Keeps you wondering who will win.

[fenrir1887]

Really now. The problem is most don't understand how that formula works. The villain has a short run of success until the hero turns around, recovers from the shock, and beats him badly. Unless your bad guy was actually an anti-hero, I don't see that happening.

[joz]

Yeah I know how it works. I'm just saying that it would be cool if the villian wins from time to time. A game where there is no happy ending. Or maybe have the hero win, but in the game ending the villian comes back and kills the hero setting it up for a part two.

[Demon-Mask]

Okay, I'll grant that he's no help in another solar system. Still, it's pretty sad when a bad guy with no real powers like Eggman, who HackNSlash insists on calling Robotnik, tries to compete with either Kefka or Dracula. Eggman's a loser. I'd have Kefka kill him outright.
Ah, but keep in mind: One with no powers, cannot lose his powers.

[joz]

what if you lose your "will power?" MUST. NOT...EAT CHEETO!
http://swick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cheeto_fail.jpg

[Demon-Mask]

True, then you wouldn't fight, but that is by choice, not by inability.
I just thought of another bad ass villain:
http://www.angelfire.com/games2/sk8ergamer/mgspics/mantis.jpg
Psycho Mantis would own anyone on that list, he has mind powers and can anticipate any move to be made.

[joz]

Yeah that's an awsome power. Did you ever try to beat Mantis without using the player two controler? I hit him maybe twice.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah that's an awsome power. Did you ever try to beat Mantis without using the player two controler? I hit him maybe twice.
I got mega-raped when I tried, of course I was pretty young when I tried.

[joz]

I'm sure one can beat Mantis at his own game, but it would take lots of practice and patience with a ton of luck. I figure that if you can hit him once you c.an hit him again and again. It's just really fricking hard

[Demon-Mask]

I know, it just wouldn't be all that enjoyable though, because after hours of the same fight, you just lose all drive to win.

[fenrir1887]

Hey, Mantis might pose a difficulty, though. I suppose you'd have to work against the desire to smash your game long enough to beat him.