President!

[Stupid Flanders]

The Democratic nomination was decided a few days ago, and the presidential race has begun! This is for anyone who would like to comment about the presidency or politics in general.

[Tails]

they are both idiots.

[oasis]

well you cant just say they both are idiots you have to say why... but none of these people will be very good but on the other hand the president does not do much he still has to answer to congress... unless you belive in conspericys.

[Tails]

well you cant just say they both are idiots you have to say why... but none of these people will be very good but on the other hand the president does not do much he still has to answer to congress... unless you belive in conspericys.
obama wants to give the lazy people of america soemthing for nothing and punish the peopel who try. 40% of your salary is taxes and it goes to africa? PLEEEEEEEEASE.

Maccain.. is Mcsame. aka same as bush.

[david man45]

Mccain=Skeletor
I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.

[Tails]

Mccain=Skeletor
I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.
and he got some bedtime with luinski!

[Dudebro]

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.

[Tails]

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.
who cares about race Obama is not read yet.

[Dudebro]

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.
who cares about race Obama is not read yet.

I assume you mean ready. But yeah, he's inexperienced. BUT, cmon, look at our current president. Can't go much lower than that.
And, alot of people care about race. Otherwise Obama would've be as big a deal as he is. Right?

[Tails]

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.
who cares about race Obama is not read yet.

I assume you mean ready. But yeah, he's inexperienced. BUT, cmon, look at our current president. Can't go much lower than that.
And, alot of people care about race. Otherwise Obama would've be as big a deal as he is. Right?
id rather have a war-vertern than an inexperienced guy.

[TrakMastaTom]

What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government? I don't find any relationship. We have had tons of presidents that didn't fight in wars.

[Tails]

What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government? I don't find any relationship. We have had tons of presidents that didn't fight in wars.
well we are in a war so he would know what to do instead of just withdrawing.

when have actually had a decent president? Bush cr.?

[TrakMastaTom]

There is alot more to running a country than knowing what to do in time of war. Also, just because someone has fought in a war doesn't mean they know how to handle troop management and all that.

[Tails]

There is alot more to running a country than knowing what to do in time of war. Also, just because someone has fought in a war doesn't mean they know how to handle troop management and all that.


very true but its either obama or mccain and Mccain atleast has to know some knowledge to get Republican nomination, the only thing i have doubts in is his age. I know we won't have a good president for a long time, but i dont want free health care we have to wait months to go to the doctor, i dont want our paychecks to be drained less and sent to a country when we need it our selves. we need to hel[p ourselves not anyone else right now.

[Dudebro]

As a person I like McCain but some of the stuff he Pretends to stand for during the election piss me off. He caters too much to religious nut jobs. The same people who got Bush elected will surely vote for McCain and that's good enough proof for me that he shouldn't be President.

Honestly I doubt Obama has a chance of winning though. Most of the people who vote all the time are people who wanna push their agendas. Those people are mainly older, religious people and a good majority are racist. Simple as that. I'm not trying to say they're all racist but it's not hard to imagine the majority are. That and the whole "OMG he's black and Muslim!!!1!". The propaganda people have been pushing that as much as possible while McCain is painted as the all american (don't forget old and white) war hero. Makes me angry.

Sorry to rant but politics piss me off. :-[

[mj23]

and he got some bedtime with luinski!
[/quote]

only reason she ran was for revenge

[Tails]

and he got some bedtime with luinski!


only reason she ran was for revenge
[/quote]luinski didn't run?

[Kong]

I have given up on politics. I don't care. They are all bought and paid for by the same people. There is no real/meaningful difference between any of them. I think Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/) is an exception. I think he is running because he wants to make things better. The others have selfish agendas. It makes me feel like my vote is worthless because there is no real choice.

Anyways because I have given up on politics I do not know much about any of this.

they are both idiots.I imagine all of the candidates are extremely intelligent. I know Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That is a very prestigious scholarship. I doubt he would marry an idiot.

40% of your salary is taxes and it goes to africa?There is not a flat tax in America. Meaning everyone pays a different % rate. Most people that pay close to 40% are probably upper middle class. Sabby would be able to answer that better than me though.

1. All of our taxes do not go to Africa.
2. I assume you are implying that our taxes go to Africa as aid. USA donates a lower percentage of our GDP than any other industrialized nation. Although since our GDP is the highest we are still the largest foreign aid contributor.
3. Most (over 50%) of our taxes fund our foreign policy (war).
4. You shouldn't make generalizations. It undermines your point.


I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.
1. We were in debt under Clinton. Not as much as we are now but we were in debt and he had the Internet Bubble to help him.
2. Andrew Jackson in 1835 is the only US president to ever have zero debt and it was only for a portion of his term.
3. I have a problem with electing relatives of former presidents. It sounds too much like monarchies. Have we really come to the point where the most important part of a presidential resume is have you ever called a ex-president daddy. There is a presidential term limit for a very good reason. Having your son or wife run seems like cheating the system.
4. Nothing is stopping Bill from giving anyone else the same tips he could give Hillary.

Current World Debtors and Creditors (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html)


What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government?Nothing. It is irrelevant. Except if you are going to have the power to send teenagers to war then people like to think you have been there yourself.

[Tails]

I imagine all of the candidates are extremely intelligent. I know Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That is a very prestigious scholarship. I doubt he would marry an idiot.Well what i meant was all of these presidents view to me is idiotic. Bush might of been a scholar but he was an idiot for the scandal.

There is not a flat tax in America. Meaning everyone pays a different % rate. Most people that pay close to 40% are probably upper middle class. Sabby would be able to answer that better than me though.

1. All of our taxes do not go to Africa.
2. I assume you are implying that our taxes go to Africa as aid. USA donates a lower percentage of our GDP than any other industrialized nation. Although since our GDP is the highest we are still the largest foreign aid contributor.
3. Most (over 50%) of our taxes fund our foreign policy (war).
4. You shouldn't make generalizations. It undermines your point.obama said when he is president he wants to give the poor people more money (for doing nothing) which i do not like and tax the working people 40% of their salary and give it to africa to fight aids.
3. see that shouldn't happen we are bad right now we need to help ourselves.
4. what generalizations?

[Kugyince]

Bush might of been a scholar but he was an idiot for the scandal.
We're all humans. We've all made mistakes. Some little, some big.

obama said when he is president he wants to give the poor people more money (for doing nothing) which i do not like and tax the working people 40% of their salary and give it to africa to fight aids.
3. see that shouldn't happen we are bad right now we need to help ourselves.
4. what generalizations?

Instead of just saying that's what he wants to do you need to back it up with a source of reference. If you can't back up such a ridiculous statement then don't bother saying it.

You're genralizing that; a)the poor don't work b)those who have money, do work c)all taxes will go to Africa d)all taxes that do go to Africa are to fight Aids e)that we are worse off than others

I enjoy politics and would love to discuss this like a mature adult if you're capable of doing so without painting, broad, sweeping accusations that you've imagined. The fact is no presidential candidate would make that statement if they still wished to be elected.

[Dudebro]

Tails if no one helps the helpless we just let them die. Not everyone who needs aid is doing nothing. My family was very poor growing up and at one point we got government aid. Are you saying we didn't deserve the food the government sent us? Yeah it was pretty embarrassing to have to use food stamps as a kid but I think it opened my eyes about how bad some people have it.

If anything we need to spend more money helping people who have no money and spend less on war and keeping rich people rich.

Obama(or any canidate) would never wanna give money to people milking the system. But it happens.
In my opinion McCain is just gonna cave to the rich religious groups and screw us poor people over.

[Tails]

Tails if no one helps the helpless we just let them die. Not everyone who needs aid is doing nothing. My family was very poor growing up and at one point we got government aid. Are you saying we didn't deserve the food the government sent us? Yeah it was pretty embarrassing to have to use food stamps as a kid but I think it opened my eyes about how bad some people have it.

If anything we need to spend more money helping people who have no money and spend less on war and keeping rich people rich.

Obama(or any canidate) would never wanna give money to people milking the system. But it happens.
In my opinion McCain is just gonna cave to the rich religious groups and screw us poor people over.
i am not saying that they shouldn't get nothing dudebro, i just feel that if people who are lower income get more handouts they won't try to get anything. I experience this first hand, my mom is divorced my dad is on disability when he don't need it, and if the government gives that to those people they will just take it from others who need it, thus everything stays chaotic.

I guess where i am coming from is that my mom is considered poor yet i don't feel poor, we don't have food stamps, we have stuff we need, i just say that everyone shouldn't get handouts and still become lazy, my mom works hard while people in section 8 get money for sitting on their asses? thats what i don't want happen, when its rich people like football players or any sports players they shouldn't get that kind of money.. that corrupt.

@Tenser:

yes we are all human.. but getting it on in the white house of all places really sends a bad message to the children of America.
I never ment the poor do not work, like i said obove some work hard (like my mother) and some do not. the ones that do not should not get a penny. I never ment either all of our taxes will go to africa i ment a big portion of our paychecks (if you know Bill cunningham thats where i got it from) We are worse off than ten years ago, look at gas prices, heck it made me not even want to get a car because of it.

[count100]

how come its all about Republican and Democrat why not blow them both out of the water and elect a independent on it, if the country does not like McCain or Obama just forget them both and get someone who people like and not just for the 2 main political parties that are in the spotlight..

[TrakMastaTom]

@Tails - If you don't like either candidate, who are you going to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Who is your "lesser of two evils"?

[Tails]

@Tails - If you don't like either candidate, who are you going to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Who is your "lesser of two evils"?
Well, i was gonna vote McCain since he would at least have war experiences, but reading what you said (i was originally going by Cunningham and my mom)i need to rethink it or choose the anonymous party.

[Kugyince]

@Tenser:

yes we are all human.. but getting it on in the white house of all places really sends a bad message to the children of America.
I never ment the poor do not work, like i said obove some work hard (like my mother) and some do not. the ones that do not should not get a penny. I never ment either all of our taxes will go to africa i ment a big portion of our paychecks (if you know Bill cunningham thats where i got it from) We are worse off than ten years ago, look at gas prices, heck it made me not even want to get a car because of it.

That might not be what you meant to say but that's what you did say. This is what Kong was saying about generalizations.

The fact is that most of the lower class works quite hard to strive and eke out as much living as they possibly can. Do not let your vision of this be skewed by a small minority of people who wish to take advantage of the system.

Also, in my mind, I'd like to help out five system abusers and one single parent who really needs it than none of them at all. It's kind of like how the justice system, is suppose to work, it's better that a guilty man go free than an innocent one get sent to jail.

[Stupid Flanders]

how come its all about Republican and Democrat why not blow them both out of the water and elect a independent on it, if the country does not like McCain or Obama just forget them both and get someone who people like and not just for the 2 main political parties that are in the spotlight..


in general, its hard for independents and the like to actually win big elections, for many reasons. people don't vote independent because they think they won't win anyways (a self fulfilling prophecy). also, our country has gone on the longest with 2 political parties throughout history, so its hard to break tradition, especially since politics is, for the most part, extremely influenced by our parents/family. finally, both of the 2 major parties don't like competition, so they'll either destroy/absorb most large independents.

[count100]

but maybe its time tradition is broken and we go into a new era where it dosent matter what party you are and we just vote for who is the best person to do the job, but untill that happens i guess that we will have to deal with the fact that most people will have to vote for who we hate the least. but that is just my opinion lol..

[TrakMastaTom]

Speaking of breaking the two-party system, even though it could be seen as a waste of my vote, if I see Ron Paul on my ballot I will probably vote for him. My father said the same thing.

And let me tell you guys, that is a beautiful thing, because he is a "right-wing nut job" and I am a "bleeding heart liberal". We don't disagree on much, but we both like Ron Paul for lots of reasons, a big one being we want the two-system party to break.

Edit: and speaking of Ron Paul, I heard some guys talking while I was at a record store. There was a guy holding a sign supporting Ron Paul and one of them asked "Who is Ron Paul?" and the other said "Some fag who's running for governor or somethin'." It was the quote of the decade.

[Kugyince]

Don't feel bad Tommy. My step-dad is a member of the Christian Coalition and I'm a Socialist. ;D

[Kong]

Quick summery of who Ron Paul is - He wants to follow the constitution and the intent of the founding fathers as closely as possible. He has very radical/unconventional ideas that probably sound nutty to the mainstream population. He wants to remove bloat from the federal government. Move most power, decisions and laws from the federal level to to the state levels. He is the only Republican/Democrat candidate to want to admit a mistake and end the Iraq war. He wants to do away with most of our foreign policy. These are all values that I feel strongly for. When I heard about his policies I felt hope for our political system for the first time in my life. When I realized he did not have a chance I felt sad about the situation. Helpless.

Ron Paul does not want to run as an independent. He is still a current republican candidate. At this point he is not trying to win (he doesn't think he can) but he is still running with the hope of spreading his ideas.
McCain has the nominal number ... but if you're in a campaign for only gaining power, that is one thing; if you're in a campaign to influence ideas and the future of the country, it's never over.

If you vote for people like Ron Paul and other independents they will be voting for people who can not win. But they will NOT be "throwing away" their vote. When good people get votes it makes it easier in the next election for their ideas and values to get more mass media attention and eventually have a chance to win. Plus with information distribution switching from expensive TV commercials to the free Internet, I think change is closer than most expect.

I think voting for a Republican/Democrat is throwing your vote away. Vote for change. Vote for someone who can't win, yet.

IMO The old ways - media conglomerates owning all news and info distributions, big budget Hollywood movies pumping out American Pie IV, tight gripped music and book publishers strangling artists, and manipulative advertisements telling you what it takes to be happy, healthy and fulfilled - are going to be wiped away by the Internet. The signs have been there for a decade and those companies could have choose to work with the Internet but instead they tried even harder to keep their strangle hold over media and information. I think the old ways include buying elections and all of the old ways are still there. But they have cracks. They will crumble. Eventually.

[TrakMastaTom]

Viva la revolution, homie. 8)

[Kugyince]

I'm still writing in Hugo Chavez.

Yes I understand foreign born persons can not be elected president of the U.S. but I can still write him in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez

[TrakMastaTom]

They should stop putting names on the ballot, and just have a piece of paper that you write who you want to be president on.

But then maybe everyone would vote for themself...like in O Brother, Where Art Thou.

Pete: Wait a minute. Who elected you leader of this outfit?
Ulysses Everett McGill: Well Pete, I figured it should be the one with the capacity for abstract thought. But if that ain't the consensus view, then hell, let's put it to a vote.
Pete: Suits me. I'm voting for yours truly.
Ulysses Everett McGill: Well I'm voting for yours truly too.
[Everett and Pete look at Delmar for the deciding vote]
Delmar O'Donnell: Okay... I'm with you fellas.

[rambo]

I don't really like either candidate. I don't think it'll make a huge difference who is elected for president. i don't believe that anyone who would say pretty much anything just to get elected is going to be a strong enough person to make their own decisions and rely on THEMSELVES to make decisions. I think they will be told what to do by powerful people and follow the advice without a whole lot of thought. I think we should be run by someone who will listen to what the American people want and follow through with the actions necessary to make what we want a reality. I don't think we would do too bad of a job making most decisions, and if we screw up at least we have no one to blame right?

[Timber Wolf]

I'm suprised I didn't find this earier! I love to hate politic's.
I'm glad Hilary didn't make the Democratic nomination, her husband wasn't as good of a president as the media make's it sound, I think if she would of been elected a lot of the mistakes would've been repeated (such as cutting our military strength to the bone[1/3 of what it was before hand, if my number's are right], He's could've stopped 9/11, they knew Osama Bin Laden was going to do something, he's been threatening for YEARS and we had the chance to shoot the bastard multiple time's but Bill told them not to take the shot, ect.)
My main complaint about Obama at the moment is an interview i read in Air Force Times about his plans for the military
McCain isnt such a peachy canidate either, but right now, he's got my vote(though technically i cant)
But this country need's to abolish Polititian's, and have these slot's as an honor(as in the past), not as a job just for the money, most, if not all polititian's are corrupt and liars, and that we need a lot of restructuring internally, but eventually it wll get bad enough that some sort of reform will have to happen, or the govt. will collapse because those driven by greed will not let go of the power
and

I'll edit this and put more later, because I can't remember all I thought of, my think so much faster than my hands can keep up with :-[

Personal Note:I wouldn't mind seeing Arnie(yep, Schwarzenegger) as president(i know it wont happen)

[ZedIsDead]

Just so you know, it was 9/11, not 9/22.

[Tails]

« Last Edit: Today at 03:19:54 PM by Timber Wolf, Reason: sorry, i was in a hurry, it\'s 9/22 not 9/22 i know »

Lmao

[DarknessMush0323]

To me they both suck. But I'm voting Democrat. So I'm going with Obama.

[Tails]

To me they both suck. But I'm voting Democrat. So I'm going with Obama.
If they both suck.. why vote for someone who sucks?

[DarknessMush0323]

Because I want a Democrat for President. If I Republican is in office again there won;'t be a world left. So that is why I'm voting for Obama.

[Tails]

Mush, I think thats stupid. If you don't like then don't vote for him, vote for someone you like not what party they represent.

[rambo]

Mush, I think thats stupid. If you don't like then don't vote for him, vote for someone you like not what party they represent.

I disagree with this because presidents get to pick their own cabinets and usually stick fairly close with the party they represent. There are more people in the party you like to make decisions.

[Timber Wolf]

Because I want a Democrat for President. If I Republican is in office again there won;'t be a world left. So that is why I'm voting for Obama.

I tend to disagree, political action doesn't show full effect for 10-15 years, I think a bit of what's going on in the economy is Bill's fault, and some of what he's praised for was the President before him, and what they're accredited for is actually the action's of their predecessor, and so on so forth

[mignelli]

Obama FTW. I hardly follow american politics, but I sincerely want Obama to win, I think he is a very good person on the inside. But speaking for a presidential candidate, thats pretty damn vague isnt it?

[Timber Wolf]

Yes, quite so..., you should keep up on politics, just so you know the direction the country is heading, even though it will change after theyre elected, because polititian's are untrustworthy SOBs!

[Dudebro]

I think the bottomline is, McCain gets elected be prepared for four more years of the same old thing. Also be ready for more religious agenda BS.

Obama gets elected be ready for a possible assassination attempt. Besides that I think it would be a good change for the country. Not to mention our current "enemies" will probably be more agreeable if we have a black president who has small muslim ties.

Anyone else gets elected, like Ron Paul, people will be in shock. :P

OBAMA FTW.

[Metricus]

I'd rather Obama then Hilary, but I still don't like him. The demacrats are just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and trying to blame all our country's problems on the war and big business. I would have prefered Mit Romney over McCain because they say you age three times as fast in the Whitehouse, and I just don't think McCain can handle it, but he'd still be a better choice them then Obama.

[Dudebro]

I'd rather Obama then Hilary, but I still don't like him. The demacrats are just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and trying to blame all our country's problems on the war and big business. I would have prefered Mit Romney over McCain because they say you age three times as fast in the Whitehouse, and I just don't think McCain can handle it, but he'd still be a better choice them then Obama.

So you'd rather have Romney? Tell me you're not serious. Besides the fact that he believes in a joke of a religion(which you can bet he'd let influence his decisions) he's just a stuffed shirt spewing lies to get elected. Before you say I shouldn't judge him on his religion, you judged McCain on his age. Both are stuff we shouldn't be looking at but honestly, we all do.

The demacrats are just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes, and trying to blame all our country's problems on the war and big business.
This is unfair. Are you trying to say the republicans don't do this kind of thing? Both sides lie and use whatever they can to get elected. You can't single out one over the other. Besides, I believe alot of our problems are the fault of a war we probably shouldn't be in and huge greedy businesses that could care less who they hurt.

[rambo]

The demacrats are just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes...

It's not just the democrats buddy, it's nearly everyone. I don't think I've seen a candidate for ANY position who says things they won't do just so they can get elected. There's probably some, but i don't know where they are hiding...

[Metricus]

I never said the Replublicans don't do it to. Saying that only one parties does something like that is about as far off from the truth as possible. But seriously the war isn't the problem its the way it been handled up to this point, and I'm just hopeful that McCain will do a better job with that then Bush. Obama just wants to quit and pull all our troops out which isn't the answer. As for Mit Romney of course I don't like his religion, but I don't think he would let that influence the Whitehouse as much as you think, plus he's more conservative then McCain, and Obama is flat out liberal. Sure he's got some good points like taxs going to companys that are moving over seas which is a problem, but his and all the demacrat's ideas about the war are way off.

[oasis]

@tails you did not have an anyone but McCain option.

I did not read this whole thread so I will just give you my opinion and sorry if its been said but as dudebro said if we get McCain it is just going to be the same old thing again old white guy who loves war and Christianity that guy firmly believes that the government needs more say in religion and everyone should be a Christian. If he gets elected it will be a huge step backwards in the two things I firmly believe in 1. Freedom of Speech and 2. Freedom of Religion.

Also he was quoted to have said "The woman’s rightful place is in the kitchen and should not be a part of the work force."

I will have to find the source for that quote but I know I read that somewhere.

So if I did vote I would vote for anyone but him.

(And don’t even think about saying if I don't vote I don't get to complain because I have every right to complain it is my choice to vote or not. I say I have the right to complain because even if I did vote my vote would not count because a person can win the popular vote (the peoples vote) but if he loses the electoral college (the senators votes) then that person loses the election so what that means is that the EC is the only vote that counts so the senators pick the president not the people. There is no need for a popular vote in the current election system)

[Kong]

Currently we have a two party system. Few people will ever vote for anyone except a Democrat or a Republican. That is a monopoly and it goes against our free market ideals. So vote for a new system. The third party candidates are steadily getting more and more votes and attention. They still don't have a chance of winning, yet. But if we keep voting for them then eventually they will have a chance and we will have a new system that is not monopolized by the Democrats and Republicans. Vote for change. Vote for someone that is different.

[rambo]

Currently we have a two party system. Few people will ever vote for anyone except a Democrat or a Republican. That is a monopoly and it goes against our free market ideals. So vote for a new system. The third party candidates are steadily getting more and more votes and attention. They still don't have a chance of winning, yet. But if we keep voting for them then eventually they will have a chance and we will have a new system that is not monopolized by the Democrats and Republicans. Vote for change. Vote for someone that is different.

Nicely put Kong, and I totally agree.

[Kong]

Currently we have a two party system. Few people will ever vote for anyone except a Democrat or a Republican. That is a monopoly and it goes against our free market ideals. So vote for a new system. The third party candidates are steadily getting more and more votes and attention. They still don't have a chance of winning, yet. But if we keep voting for them then eventually they will have a chance and we will have a new system that is not monopolized by the Democrats and Republicans. Vote for change. Vote for someone that is different.

Also show the Democrats and Republicans that they have to earn your vote. If they do not think you are willing to vote outside of your party then they do not have to care about your vote; it is just an easy freebie. They are only be held accountable when they can lose your vote.

I think this is a very crucial part of our system that has been lost. Anyone ever seen Brewster's Millions? "Vote none of the above!"

[oasis]

awesome movie and excellent point

But my point is still valid you vote does not count no matter what party you vote for

the electoral college is what votes in the president

[Billy Hoyle]

I voted for Nader in '00 and '04.

That man would have changed things.

[Kong]

I didn't know much about Nader when he was running but I watched the documentary "An Unreasonable Man" which was about him recently. He is pretty cool.

A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.