Twingalaxies down

[d3scride]

Looks like the site may have been purchased by the-1up (note the redirect). If this is true this is GREAT news.

Twin Galaxies will be back (http://www.twingalaxies.com)

[Slime Slayer]

I hate those turds at 1up though... I listen to all their podcasts, and enjoy hearing their opinions. They seem like nice people... maybe I'm just jealous.

Why do you think this is good news? Just because TG wasn't all that healthy as of late?

[Seahawk]

we would like to assure you that the company has been returned to a group of people that actually embrace “Arcade Culture”, and wish to return integrity back to the organization.

What happened here?

[bearhawk72]

What happened here?
I think I read on here somewhere that someone was claiming that certain people got into power and wouldn't even bother checking record submissions that challenged scores they owned or of other people they knew.

Something about scores not being looked at would be my guess.

[Winnebagel]

I think I read on here somewhere that someone was claiming that certain people got into power and wouldn't even bother checking record submissions that challenged scores they owned or of other people they knew.

Something about scores not being looked at would be my guess.

I have heard this as well many times. In fact if you do just a bit of searching there are alot of accusations of this. People would beat a world record, but allegedly TG would not allow the game to be challenged because the score was held by one of their buddies, or they put a moratium on certain games ever being challenged at all. This is what I have heard, but I haven't experienced this myself.

I just want to say, one thing I love about RU is the integrity the Kongger has tried to inject into the site. In all my years here, I have never seen any case of favoritism towards someone regarding someone challenging a score. Everything is fair game, and I believe that is one of the things that makes RU such a nice and competitive place.

I respect the place that TG had in gaming history, but I believe RU offers far more for the future of retro gaming.

Thank you for your time. God bless you and God bless America!!!

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[elrod21]

I echo WB's statement about the integrity here.

I think it is sad when someone let's pride get in the way of the greater good and it seems that it what is being alleged about Twin Galaxies.

If a score of yours get's beaten try and improve. If you can't beat it back it's not the end of the world.

For me at the end of the day what I love about this site is no matter how many scores I eventually lose, (It's inevitable) It is very easy and accessible for me to try and get them back and if I don't, that's OK. I get the opportunity to compete against some awesome players, and there is no shame in losing to a better player.

Long Live RU!

[Barra]

Great news for TG. I was almost beginning to give up, but Ill stick around for a bit longer now and support the change.
They have a long way to go.

[D.B. Cooper]

My fear is that the new ownership will put making money as their #1 priority. A change was certainly needed so I'll hope that things get better but it seems that the people buying are also the same people who like to hold these "world records" and that could become a conflict of interest real quick.

[Slime Slayer]

@WB and Elrod
I can't speak for everyone here, but it seems that, at least the vast majority, of the community actually enjoy loosing scores as much as they enjoy setting them. It's astounding how great a group we are.

[Winnebagel]

My fear is that the new ownership will put making money as their #1 priority. A change was certainly needed so I'll hope that things get better but it seems that the people buying are also the same people who like to hold these "world records" and that could become a conflict of interest real quick.

Hopefully, that won't happen. I don't think trying for world records is a bad thing in itself, but if a site, refs, or whatever become a secretive cadre of ruffians it can make things fall apart. It should be the same rules for all people across the board. I have always believed that.

TG, sadly has acquired an reputation in recent years for not recognizing scores in certain games if the record was one they didn't wish to be challenged. Discounting the events seen in King of Kong where score acceptance was not only random (i.e. Some people could send in tapes. Others could not.), but I have heard that people were discouraged or outright ignored when trying to set new highs in games like Missile Command among others. Another great thing about RU is it's all out in the open. There is no secret electronic trash bin where unwanted scores go. If a score is legitimately set, it is straight up recognized. I love RU!

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@WB and Elrod
I can't speak for everyone here, but it seems that, at least the vast majority, of the community actually enjoy loosing scores as much as they enjoy setting them. It's astounding how great a group we are.

Essie, I think for me anyway, RU is also greatly about the camaraderie between members and players. That speaks strongly of the guys like Kongger, Tenser, Dudebro, and Sabby who for years (way before Jozzer and I were SM's) diligently worked to make sure the forums were an orderly, but fun place to thrive with your RU friends. Compare RU to somewhere like 4-chan and the difference is immediately apparent. RU feels like a safe place, and I think that spirit carries over to the gaming for the most part as well.

I can't think of another site I have ever been apart of where the fellow members not only cheer one another on to be the best they can be in gaming, but also just hang out with one another. It's pretty cool. This is the only site I can think of where there are people on here I would one day actually want to meet in real life.

Anyway, I hope the new owners will help make TG a better place so the site can get back on its feet. No hard feelings there, but maybe it will be a lesson in what can happen when people in charge become corrupt. Hopefully, they can get better in the future.

[samejamesbond]

Essie, I think for me anyway, RU is also greatly about the camaraderie between members and players. That speaks strongly of the guys like Kongger, Tenser, Dudebro, and Sabby who for years (way before Jozzer and I were SM's) diligently worked to make sure the forums were an orderly, but fun place to thrive with your RU friends. Compare RU to somewhere like 4-chan and the difference is immediately apparent. RU feels like a safe place, and I think that spirit carries over to the gaming for the most part as well.

I can't think of another site I have ever been apart of where the fellow members not only cheer one another on to be the best they can be in gaming, but also just hang out with one another. It's pretty cool. This is the only site I can think of where there are people on here I would one day actually want to meet in real life.

Anyway, I hope the new owners will help make TG a better place so the site can get back on its feet. No hard feelings there, but maybe it will be a lesson in what can happen when people in charge become corrupt. Hopefully, they can get better in the future.

I think you nailed it on the spot WB, RU really is a unique spot.
As someone that doesn't play games anymore here, I keep coming
back because of the awesome community here and talk about
basically anything because of this close group we have.

I'm glad I found RU, you guys here are some of the most awesome
people I've met, and that's what this site is really about, being
a gaming community.

[Dudebro]

@WB- You trying to win an emmy or something? ;)


@About TG- I wonder if they'll suffer fools as much as before? I was so turned off by how they just had no spine about problem users. You can only warn people so many times and have them ignore you before you have to do something about it.

[Winnebagel]

@WB- You trying to win an emmy or something? ;)


They like me! They really like me! :D Nah. I think my recent long absence from RU really reminded me what a great and unique place RU is.

It's about the people from the users, to the GMs (that constantly work to keep the gaming show running behind the scenes), to every body that makes RU such a party every day! :party:

I should probably reiterate too that I'm not anti-TG. I have an account over there that I have done some with, but there's no place like RU. RU has the gaming, the integreity, the people, and the good times. Long may it live!

[D.B. Cooper]

This is my guess as to what might be in store. I may be putting too much importance on the words "Arcade Culture" but TG was started for the purpose of keeping track of Arcade game scores and I think they are going to focus on that. Wether they totally get out of console game tracking is a good question but I really think the new management is going to encourage people to get back out to the arcades to set World Records on actual arcade games played in public.

I also don't think that RU and TG really are in the same market. Sure both keep track of video game scores but that's where the comparison ends. Just recently, TG decided that MAME would be the only emulation they would accept. And from what I know of the new TG ownership, they aren't even fans of MAME and think all gaming should be done on original hardware. RU is all emulation all the time. There are a number of people that for one reason or another will never accept competitive gaming using emulation.

For myself, I love emulation and I love how easy it is to play games and submit scores here. I can't see myself ever recording my gampley on a VHS tape and spending time and money to send it in the mail again. I may however visit one of my local arcades someday to attempt a WR on an arcade game depending on how the new TG works out.

[Winnebagel]

This is my guess as to what might be in store. I may be putting too much importance on the words "Arcade Culture" but TG was started for the purpose of keeping track of Arcade game scores and I think they are going to focus on that. Wether they totally get out of console game tracking is a good question but I really think the new management is going to encourage people to get back out to the arcades to set World Records on actual arcade games played in public.

I also don't think that RU and TG really are in the same market. Sure both keep track of video game scores but that's where the comparison ends. Just recently, TG decided that MAME would be the only emulation they would accept. And from what I know of the new TG ownership, they aren't even fans of MAME and think all gaming should be done on original hardware. RU is all emulation all the time. There are a number of people that for one reason or another will never accept competitive gaming using emulation.

For myself, I love emulation and I love how easy it is to play games and submit scores here. I can't see myself ever recording my gampley on a VHS tape and spending time and money to send it in the mail again. I may however visit one of my local arcades someday to attempt a WR on an arcade game depending on how the new TG works out.

Those are all good points DBC. My point would be, if TG does get back to just accepting scores played live in Arcades, then they are going to quickly become more irrelevant than they already are becoming.

I agree with you that emulation is the way to go. We don't live in a world anymore where people can easily access arcades, and with technology being what it is, most people probably don't see the need. For example, where I live in FL, I would literally have to drive 100 miles to get to an arcade. Even if I did that, there is no way I will be able to challenge for the World Record in Boxy Boy or something similarily obscure. I would probably have to fly to some dude's house in Japan to have a shot at it. This seems beyond crazy to me, and would eliminate thousands of games from competition.

Also, in the era we live in when console Retro Gaming has come back in such a big way (just take a look at all the preloaded emulator consoles people can get now), I think it would be a misstep to ignore WR's for console games as they are so popular.

I guess time will tell what TG does, but it will be interesting to see.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Indeed WB, but what i think TG needs to realize is that not many people still have the original consoles (IE Atari, Sega Genesis, etc) so itd be hard trying to send in scores for them knowing that they are rare to find, which is why i believe emulation is the future for retro gaming to date

[D.B. Cooper]

WB-I didn't mean to suggest that they would stop allowing people to do scores at home and send in video for WR's. What I predict is that they will open at least one (probably the 1 up in Denver) and maybe many more arcades under the name of Twin Galaxies where they will have electronic scoreboards that are linked (similar to what Aurcade is doing). They will have official refs at all of these locations and they will allow a person to set a score on location under view of the ref and no video will be required. I also think they will hold tournaments that will encourage people to travel to their Arcades.

Only time will tell. I think there are a ton of alternatives for people who want to compete on console games but there is only one place that tracks Arcade records. I really think if TG wants to survive, they need to stick with what they started and concentrate on Arcade records because most of todays gamers have no interest in going through all the hassle that TG requires to get a score posted on a console game.

Bummer to hear about the lack of arcades in your area. I thought Florida had a ton. I'm lucky. I live in Salem Oregon and there are two arcades in Portland that are less than an hour's drive, Ground Kontrol and Strykers Arcade, and one that just shut down but still opens on occasion, Envisions Arcade. Then there is Level Up Arcade south of me in Eugene about an hour away and the icing on the cake. The guy I purchased my Asteroids and Omega Race from is opening an Arcade right here in Salem that will be within walking distance of my work, The Coin Jam.

[Seahawk]

I wonder what they mean with the term "arcade culture" anyways. Do they mean the atmosphere around 80s arcades or the 90s fighter scene? Do they mean the rather detrimental arcade PCB collector/hoarder scene?

There are a number of people that for one reason or another will never accept competitive gaming using emulation.

A big problem for this is verification. If you get a replay file from someone on the internet, it's impossible to tell whether it is a genuine run or tool assisted.

Another problem is just the nature of hardware vs. emulators. With hardware you can be sure that everyone playing the game is getting the same game experience, the same game input timings. With the number of emulators that exists (and none of them 100% accurate, many are pretty bad) it is difficult to judge them all equally.

[Winnebagel]

Indeed WB, but what i think TG needs to realize is that not many people still have the original consoles (IE Atari, Sega Genesis, etc) so itd be hard trying to send in scores for them knowing that they are rare to find, which is why i believe emulation is the future for retro gaming to date

Good point SFF. That's another reason why a place like RU is where the action is at. It's all right here. :D

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WB-I didn't mean to suggest that they would stop allowing people to do scores at home and send in video for WR's.

I think that is what some of TG's past contoversy was over. They would only allow certain people to submit via tape (and others were not recognized). This opened the door to alot of problems over fairness.

What I predict is that they will open at least one (probably the 1 up in Denver) and maybe many more arcades under the name of Twin Galaxies where they will have electronic scoreboards that are linked (similar to what Aurcade is doing). They will have official refs at all of these locations and they will allow a person to set a score on location under view of the ref and no video will be required. I also think they will hold tournaments that will encourage people to travel to their Arcades.

That could be, but I don't see too many people who will travel just to do this. I'm sure some will, but it could hurt their overall popularity if this were to happen.

Only time will tell. I think there are a ton of alternatives for people who want to compete on console games but there is only one place that tracks Arcade records. I really think if TG wants to survive, they need to stick with what they started and concentrate on Arcade records because most of todays gamers have no interest in going through all the hassle that TG requires to get a score posted on a console game.

What do you mean, only one place that tracks arcade records? I can think of at least one other site besides TG that tracks this type of thing. Do you mean records submitted in person?

Bummer to hear about the lack of arcades in your area. I thought Florida had a ton. I'm lucky. I live in Salem Oregon and there are two arcades in Portland that are less than an hour's drive, Ground Kontrol and Strykers Arcade, and one that just shut down but still opens on occasion, Envisions Arcade. Then there is Level Up Arcade south of me in Eugene about an hour away and the icing on the cake. The guy I purchased my Asteroids and Omega Race from is opening an Arcade right here in Salem that will be within walking distance of my work, The Coin Jam.

Yeah. It's a bummer. There are some in big cities like Orlando and probably Miami, but they are few and far between everywhere else. Even Orlando doesn't have what they used to. :(

That's cool that you have a bunch. My city used to have 3, but most of those closed in the late 90's. You would think it would be popular since there are many students here, but sadly no.

Time will tell indeed, but I think the format of TG is very outdated. I can understand how in person verification was possible in the 80's (when arcades were everywhere), but I just don't see that again becoming a reality when this isn't the case anymore.

[SMASH]

I really hope they keep it going. A lot of people put a lot of time in that organization for it to just get erased.

[Gamenguru]

I was away from RU for most of the last year or so. During that time I visited places like TG and a few others. But I missed hanging out here so much that I had to try and re-prioritize some things to make more time in my schedule for it.

What WB said about the camaraderie here on RU is absolutely true. I've personally never been apart of an online community where I could say that there are people I genuinely like to call friends... that is until I joined RU about 3 1/2 years ago. The admins of this site have created an atmosphere where there is mutual respect, a lack of trash-talking and harassment as well as deep, intelligent discussion. Mix that with the level of gaming skills commonly displayed by the world-class (and in most cases, humble) players that frequent this site and you have a combination that is very rare indeed.

Long Live RU! :victory:

[Kong]

Thanks for all of the compliments!

I have a copy of all Twin Galaxy scores before they went down and I had already started working on a new site that will list all TG, MARP, RU etc scores in one list.

It will have an emulator score board, a hardware score board and a combined board.

I started it because I thought there was a gap to fill because TG was sucking. Now that it has new owners I will wait a while to see what they will do.

I doubt this will happen, but in the worst case scenario, if the new owners reset all the scores or delete emulator scores or do anything that continues to degrade TG, there is a back up.

[Gamenguru]

...And that is why you are the Kongger! :D

[gastrainga]

TG was dying a slow death with ownership that didn't really care about gaming. At least this gets things back in the hands of people who actually care a lot about arcade gaming. I suspect there will be a return to a strong emphasis on gaming on actual arcade hardware and a de-emphasis on consoles and MAME. Personally I don't really care about the consoles, and I think other sites do MAME better anyway.

Note that "Arcade Culture" is also the name of the podcast/web broadcast of Richie Knucklez, and Richie is clearly involved with the acquisition. Richie was the organizer of the Kong Off and is working with 1UP arcade on the Kong Off 2. Richie has also shown pretty much open derision and hostility to MAME in the past, so I suspect MAME will not be a major focus going forward.

Regardless, I'm cautiously optimistic this will be good for the arcade scene. I only hope it doesn't result in favoritism for particular arcades or get used primarily to market just certain personalities and games.

-George

[Barra]

Well put George.
I hope they dont rid of MAME altogether, it would remove my interest in the organisation completely (I cant remember the last time I saw an original cab). Having said that, I can understand why if that were to happen. Its pleasing to know that TG is now in good and capable hands, whatever path they happen to take.

[d3scride]

Well put George.
I hope they dont rid of MAME altogether, it would remove my interest in the organisation completely (I cant remember the last time I saw an original cab). Having said that, I can understand why if that were to happen. Its pleasing to know that TG is now in good and capable hands, whatever path they happen to take.

This. I would have to drive 10+ hours to even have a chance to find any semblance of an arcade near me and machines here are basically non existant. MAME is the the only thing that allows me to play and compete on Arcade titles. I would never say Arcade and MAME submissions are equal and should be treated as such, but I believe MAME definitely has its place.

I'm excited to see what the new ownership will mean for TGI and us gamers.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Personally, i dont think TwinGalaxies is the greatest record keeper. RU Is definitely a lot better and more pinpoint precise at how the scores are observed. If TwinGalaxies gets rid of the scores, RU will definitely be the greatest place to set records for now, forever and into the millenium beyond!

[warghoul]

Personally, i dont think TwinGalaxies is the greatest record keeper. RU Is definitely a lot better and more pinpoint precise at how the scores are observed. If TwinGalaxies gets rid of the scores, RU will definitely be the greatest place to set records for now, forever and into the millenium beyond!

The millennium beyond forever?

[Rocky Rose]

TG is a joke and always have been,I dont know why guinness always considered TG the main authority on Video Game scores.When I joined refs had there fav players and freinds and if you beat one of thier scores YOU became a target for getting banned from the site or getting your scores removed or NOT verifeid.There was a top 10 world record holders page and a ref had the top spot with over 6,000 world records on games he prob never even played just that he wrote in scores for himself LOL.Even though ive pretty much retired from gameing If I ever set any records ILL be coming to RetroUprising to do so.

[thetedster]

I think it would be an awesome possibility if TG Worked with Retro Uprising to be able to allow world records and feats that were done here to be transferred there.

In todays day and age, it gets harder and harder to acquire an arcade machine or even lets say a regular nintendo, where I would possibly be able to go for the mario bros 2 speed run record on here, and have the World Record transfer to there.

It couldn't be that difficult to verify.... But that would be my dream.

Ted

[d3scride]

I think it would be an awesome possibility if TG Worked with Retro Uprising to be able to allow world records and feats that were done here to be transferred there.

In todays day and age, it gets harder and harder to acquire an arcade machine or even lets say a regular nintendo, where I would possibly be able to go for the mario bros 2 speed run record on here, and have the World Record transfer to there.

It couldn't be that difficult to verify.... But that would be my dream.

Ted

NES are really easy to find still. Emulation and original hardware most likely would never be tracked together as there can be significant differences in emulation versus the original hardware ports.

I'm really hoping that we will be able to use Youtube and twitch.tv as verification methods for scores.

[Winnebagel]

TG is a joke and always have been,I dont know why guinness always considered TG the main authority on Video Game scores.When I joined refs had there fav players and freinds and if you beat one of thier scores YOU became a target for getting banned from the site or getting your scores removed or NOT verifeid.There was a top 10 world record holders page and a ref had the top spot with over 6,000 world records on games he prob never even played just that he wrote in scores for himself LOL.Even though ive pretty much retired from gameing If I ever set any records ILL be coming to RetroUprising to do so.

From what I have seen, this type of thing is what has give TG a bad reputation over the last several years. I have heard of this type of thing happening over and over again on various games. It's pretty sad when you consider that TG was once the standard for scores.

The thing I like about RU, is everything is 100% fair and verifiable. There is no cloak and dagger behind the curtain. It's all out there on the table.

[Mary McManus]

I think I read on here somewhere that someone was claiming that certain people got into power and wouldn't even bother checking record submissions that challenged scores they owned or of other people they knew.

Something about scores not being looked at would be my guess.

The whole King of Kong film was a contribed documentary. Twin Galaxies stood back and let movie producers lie and discredit a legitamate score so they could profit from the same subject material while disenfranchising the gamer that was originaly apart of the material. So Much for Twin Galaxys being a fair and honest source for arcade scores and record keeping. Just watch a couple of the underground DOCs by Dwayne Richards and a lot of facts and corruption are uncovered.

[Barra]

As d3sride said, emulation and original hardware will and should NEVER be tracked as one.

Also about the "niche" that Rocky Rose and Seahawk are talking about, rememeber that most (if not all) of the staff members that could have been (we dont have any proof, do we???) involved in this are long gone from the organisation. New (decent) owners are going to give TG a fresh start and it would be nice if we could all give them that opportunity before making our minds up.

[Winnebagel]

I'm not down on TG. I hope it finds its feet. However, I also believe that the days of actual arcade gaming are mostly long in the past. If for some reason TG does go back to just a focus on only that (which is speculation at this point), I think they will very quickly disappear altogether.

I believe online is really where it's at, and will probably become the main standard in the not too distant future. Just look at TG. Before its seemingly recent demise, I would dare say the majority of scores set were in an emulator or on a console. This is only practical, and for the majority of games, I think this is the only way for most people to play them. I just don't see live playing with referees as a format that can survive much longer due to logistical challenges. It's an interesting concept, but not a practical one in my view.

[Barra]

Completely agree WB. Ill be very disappointed if they skip MAME altogether (at this point I couldnt care less about console tracking). However its a possibility that this may happen as Richie Knucklez (one of the new owners) has expressed his despise for MAME in the CAGDC forums in the past.
Its great that the 1up and barcade and others are trying to bring back the old days of arcade gaming, but as you say in most places its long gone and not feasible at all. As I stated earlier, I cant remember the last time I saw an original cab.

Check these two threads for more information:

What's happening at TG? (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,5062.0.html)
So I think The-1up Bought TwinGalaxies - Page 5 - IAM/KLOV Coin-op Videogame, Pinball, Slot Machine, and EM Machine Forums (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=251993&highlight=twin+galaxies&page=5)

[Dudebro]

There's still a couple arcades in my area, even the one I went to as a kid, but they all have new games. They don't seem to wanna waste space on games for old cranks like us when they can charge a dollar a game for racing or FPS stuff.

[Kugyince]

I have one arcade left around me but its almost completely ticket redemption machines.

[Winnebagel]

I have one arcade left around me but its almost completely ticket redemption machines.

I have a pizza place in town that has a few of those, but that's all. Other than that, there are a few movie theaters that have a few newer machines, but no actual arcade unfortunately.

[Barra]

EXCLUSIVE - The New Twin Galaxies - PatrickScottPatterson(dot)Com (http://patrickscottpatterson.com/CultureTwinGalaxies)

PatrickScottPatterson.com brings you the exclusive first photograph of the first meeting of the new Twin Galaxies ownership! From left to right: Jourdan Adler, Richie Knucklez, Jon "Exidy" Jamshid and Walter Day.

This website will be getting the first OFFICIAL news from these meetings. Don't guess, don't speculate, come here for the ONLY official word on this development, direct from the source!

Here is the first official statement from the new Twin Galaxies, received at 7:34pm Central Time on Tuesday, October 9:

"It is a time of re-birth for Twin Galaxies, as we re-confirm our commitment to serve the worldwide video game industry as its official scorekeeper and contest adjudicator.

Now under new leadership, Twin Galaxies is returning to its roots as a 'live' event organizer, which will continue to support all games and all game systems. Starting with the Kong-Off 2 in November, Twin Galaxies will launch an extensive calendar of monthly 'live' events that will crown the champions of both classic and modern gaming beginning in 2013.

And, as the official scorekeeper for the world of competitive gaming, we will continue to accept and verify world record scores submitted by champion gamers on all platforms.

We thank you for your support and patience as we re-create Twin Galaxies and bring the world of competitive gaming back to life."


Good news. Sounds as though they are going to keep MAME submissions

[Winnebagel]

Walter Day is still there? How can anything change with his still at the reins? I'm confused. What actually changed?

Is this maybe another publicity stunt like the staged King of Kong documentary?

[D.B. Cooper]

Walter Day has not been part of TG for a few years now as he sold the business. Sounds like he was able to talk some others into buying it back for him.

Anyways, this is great news and I've always said that if video game players want to be taken serioiusly, live events are what's needed. Even though my family situation will likely prevent me from participating, I look forward to the possibility of having the chance to watch some of the greatest gamers compete in live events.

[Kong]

When it said 1up bought Twin Galaxies I thought that meant 1UP.com: Video Game Reviews, Cheats, and More (http://www.1up.com/) and IGN not The 1Up - Arcade * Bar * Eats - 1925 Blake Street, Denver CO 80202 (http://the-1up.com/) Good news. Sounds as though they are going to keep MAME submissionsIt didn't mention MAME or emulators.

[D.B. Cooper]

This is cut and paste from another forum that I thought others might find interesting.

October 2, 2012
"Phoenix Dynasty: Twin Galaxies Third Renaissance" by Triforce
THE THRID RENAISSANCE

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On Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012; final talks for a new owner to purchase Twin Galaxies had concluded. Representing Twin Galaxies International solely was Pete Bouvier along with Jourdan Adler; owner of the The 1up Barcade in Dever Colorado and his partner and business associate Richie Knucklez of Arcade Culture. Several hours after their discussion, an agreement was made and official documents of ownership for Twin Galaxies International now resides with Jourdan Adler and Richie Knucklez.




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Patrick Scott Patterson of Denton, TX wrote:

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Here is a huge reason why I'm thrilled at the concept of the new Twin Galaxies doing more LIVE events.

Here is USA Today coverage of an event at E3 in 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujHqGV4km4

G4 came to me wanting to do this, but I literally had to fight the now-previous owner to be "allowed" to set this up. Somehow won that fight, perhaps the last I won against him while part of the organization, and got turned loose on it with a very long leash.

I was a background player in this one... Walter and David were on camera, though I got caught a few times on there myself. In this clip you can see me scratching my damn nose toward the end...heh. That's also my DK machine, shipped out to L.A. from it's place here near my work desk.

The result of this event saw record traffic numbers to the website, huge amounts of media attention, a live crowd that allowed me to learn my "work the crowd" tricks from wrestling can work anywhere, and drama when a power strip under the platform blew and killed power to the machine on live television. I found the problem and the crew got us back up and running with 2 hours, 34 minutes left on air. Steve got a killscreen on live TV with just minutes to spare.

We came away from this event feeling like we'd just turned the corner, and now held the prototype for doing this kind of stuff for a new generation, potentially benefitting and celebrating numerous gamers who could have an opportunity to do almost this exact same thing.

So, of course, I was told we'd never do it again. And we didn't. I wasn't allowed to run with this sort of thing ever again. And this stunning moment in time... a world record attempt on live primetime television... was forgotten almost as quickly as the events that led to it happening.

The new ownership and management "gets it" in terms of why THIS sort of thing is, and has been, the way to go.

Oh... Paul Dean also makes a cameo in this vid...heh. (holding Wiebe sign)


---------- Post added at 07:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:26 AM ----------

For those that don't know, Patrick Scott Patterson is a former head referee for TG.

[Slime Slayer]

TG really needs to adjust their priorities for what scores they accept, nobody cares about anyone's speed run to 300 in Wii Sports bowling.

I think they should be more selective and cut out eligibility for 90% of their scores. Stuff like this is just retarded:

Turtles in Time (ARC): Points
Turtles in Time (ARC): Fastest Completion
Turtles in Time (ARC): Points with 30 man cheat
Turtles in Time (ARC): Fastest Completion with 30 man cheat
Turtles in Time (MAME): Points
Turtles in Time (MAME): Fastest Completion
Turtles in Time (MAME): Points with 30 man cheat
Turtles in Time (Mame): Fastest Completion with 30 man cheat

Boil it down to something much more basic and run a much tighter ship, maybe even get rid of games that are less contested.

[Barra]

@Kong - In the article it says:
"And, as the official scorekeeper for the world of competitive gaming, we will continue to accept and verify world record scores submitted by champion gamers on all platforms"
I assume they will continue with console and MAME tracking, but focus more heavily on the arcade side of things.

[d3scride]

New Twingalaxies update:



News Update - October 17, 2012

The latest news release update from the new Twin Galaxies ownership. Previous news updates below.

"While there is rampant speculation about the future of Twin Galaxies, we want you to rest assured that there has been no downtime on this end."

"It is our intention to announce a concrete plan for 2013 during The Kong Off 2 coming up November 16th, 17th and 18th 2012 in Denver, Colorado USA."

"We do have a few things that we would like to update you on right now."

"The website, forum and score database should be up and running by the end of November. The site needs to be rebuilt to become more user-friendly, and we want to make sure that the information is properly stored to reduce or negate downtime."

"There will be an entirely new score submission process put into place and that will be announced during The Kong Off 2 as well. We can tell you that we plan to accept records set on all platforms moving forward."

"Beginning in 2013 there will be 7 'Twin Galaxies Verified Locations' that gamers will be able to play LIVE for verified Twin Galaxies Records. It is our hope that other arcades and gaming venues will reach out to us to become 'verified locations' as well."

"In addition to the verified locations the 'Twin Galaxies Masters Tournament' will begin in February and conclude in November of 2013. The 'TGMT' will be a series of 6 events that will be conducted in six different states that will crown a true North American Champion of Arcade and Classic Console gaming."

"Again we ask you for your patience as we are rebuilding and putting everything back in place. We want to re-launch Twin Galaxies with attainable and executable goals."

"Thank you so much for your continued interest in Twin Galaxies and we are so excited to share with you our plans for 2013."

GAME ON!!!

[Kugyince]

Seems like they're trying to revitalize the arcade scene in place of MAME. While I'm sure we're all for a stronger arcade culture worldwide, I don't think that should be at the cost of MAME itself.

[Kong]

I tried contacting Twin Galaxies last year to see if they would like to use our system for their emulator scores. I never received a response.

If anyone can contact the new owners you should see if they are interested.

[Seahawk]

Seems like they're trying to revitalize the arcade scene in place of MAME. While I'm sure we're all for a stronger arcade culture worldwide, I don't think that should be at the cost of MAME itself.

Agreed, if it weren't for MAME, SO MANY games would be lost, either all dysfunctional, or hoarded by collectors. The 'arcade scene' would be even less than it is now, for the sole fact that nobody other than PCB owners would be able to play the games.

[Barra]

I tried contacting Twin Galaxies last year to see if they would like to use our system for their emulator scores. I never received a response.

If anyone can contact the new owners you should see if they are interested.

Dont be disheartened about the non-response. As far as Im aware no-one received a response about anything from the old owners

As for the new owners its a totally different story. As unclechicken has said they dislike MAME and Im sure if they could hand if off to RU, they would.
I wouldnt try contacting them yet but wait until everything is set in place (say the end of the year)

I look forward to what the future holds for both RU and TG

[Slime Slayer]

I must say I'm pretty stunned, an operation that isn't run well is one thing, but these guys sound down right pathetic. I'd like to hear their side of the story.

[Josephjo]

From d3scride's update spoiler "There will be an entirely new score submission process put into place and that will be announced during The Kong Off 2 as well. We can tell you that we plan to accept records set on all platforms moving forward."

I'm presuming that includes M.A.M.E.

I'd like to hope he sees the significant effect of the emulation side of things - despite (as a purist) not liking it. Richie Knucklez has always struck me as quite a smart guy when it comes to this hobby. I wouldn't worry too much about the future of M.A.M.E. gaming @ T.G.

[Kong]

To me saying "all platforms" doesn't mean they will or will not support emulators. Just means all consoles IMO.

Sounds like they are pushing for referees at designated US locations as their primary verification method.

[Winnebagel]

To me saying "all platforms" doesn't mean they will or will not support emulators. Just means all consoles IMO.

I agree. They were never friendly about console scores submitted via emulation, so from what they are saying, I don't see why that would dramatically.

[knt]

I just don't see live playing with referees as a format that can survive much longer due to logistical challenges.view.



word of the year!

[Dudebro]

Which word?

[Slime Slayer]

Which word?
Change?

[Josephjo]

From the horse's mouth last night on his Arcade Culture webshow (http://www.twitch.tv/richieknucklez/b/337139047)

MAME will be included.

They're looking into ways to compensate refs
for their time, whether we pay or not.

It's going to take a while for the website,
but they are making sure it comes out right.

Yes, live scores will be emphasized more than
home/tape ones.

International people won't be left out.

console games will be included.

[Barra]

Thanks for the rundown JoJo! I was watching most of the time, but must have missed your name on chat!
Im very intrigued by whats happening and look forward to seeing what they do with it.

---------- Post added 10-29-2012 at 10:33 PM ---------- Previous post was 10-28-2012 at 11:52 PM ----------

Update on http://twingalaxies.com

" October 17th 2012
While there is rampant speculation about the future of Twin Galaxies, we want you to rest assured that there has been no downtime on this end.
It is our intention to announce a concrete plan for 2013 during “The Kong Off 2 (http://thekongoff.com/)” coming up November 16th, 17th and 18th 2012 in Denver, Colorado USA.
We do have a few things that we would like to update you on right now.
The website, forum and score database should be up and running by the end of November. The site needs to be rebuilt to become more user-friendly, and we want to make sure that the information is properly stored to reduce or negate downtime.
There will be an entirely new score submission process put into place and that will be announced during The Kong Off 2 as well. We can tell you that we plan to accept records set on all platforms moving forward.
Beginning in 2013 there will be “7” “Twin Galaxies Verified Locations” that gamers will be able to play “LIVE” for verified Twin Galaxies Records. It is our hope that other arcades and gaming venues will reach out to us to become “verified locations” as well.
In addition to the verified locations the “Twin Galaxies Masters Tournament” will begin in February and conclude in November of 2013. The “TGMT” will be a series of 6 events that will be conducted in six different states that will crown a true North American Champion of Arcade and Classic Console gaming.
Again we ask you for your patients as we are rebuilding and putting everything back in place. We want to re-launch Twin Galaxies with attainable and executable goals.
Thank you so much for your continued interest in Twin Galaxies and we are so excited to share with you our plans for 2013.
GAME ON!!!"

[Josephjo]

I reckon there going to do a monthly subscription to the site, with prices starting low for 1 or 2 submissions, going up in price scale.

Whilst I agree with you, I really can't see this helping to promote T.G. one bit. The bottom line is why pay for something when you get the same for free elsewhere?

If they make us pay anything to submit MAME scores, I think i'll stick with this site. I don't care about getting in the Guinness book again after being in it once,. so i'll stay here trying to beat others on Shmups..

Errr. Hello? Do tell. What game was it for?

[ARedLetterDay]

I never liked Twin Galaxies to begin with.

[RevJ]

Wow, I don't know what to say. Their entire business is going to shrink down to the equivalent of a chalk board listing arcade top scores? The list won't change much so they will be able to use 1 jpg for their whole website. :face:

[Dudebro]

Sounds like the nail in coffin for them.

[Slime Slayer]

I can't believe that they are asking people to pay to submit scores, this new TG is doomed.

[SMASH]

That is quite a change from what they use to be. They will lose about 90% of their traffic if all they accept arcade scores. I will just go down to the local arcade, oh wait there are no more arcades. GL TG, RIP.

[ARedLetterDay]

^ There are quite a few arcades. There's one in Moreno Valley, CA, called Round One.

[Barra]

This will get rid of most international players but to be honest I can see where they are coming from with the new business model.
Having no forums is really disappointing. Sure they were mainly used for people to rant and rave, but thats because there was stuff to rant and rave about. If the website, scoreboard and company are going well then the forums would be filled with praise, suggestions and constructive criticism.
Also by the sounds of it we will have to send MAME scores in the mail, along with the appropriate paperwork.

I will still support TG but dont think Ill ever submit again.

[Barra]

At the start I dont believe they will get many submissions, and they will probably never get many mailed submissions in general. They will make their money from live arcade and console verificiations.

[StarfoxFan2009]

Thats kind of ridiculous. I'll never support TwinGalaxies with the way they're going

[Mary McManus]

This is the "future"?,............. with current plans like these there won't be much of a future for Twin Galaxies. Its a shame that money and profit are valued than legit scores.
This is the legacy TG has set since 2007 when TG disgraced itself as a score keeping istitution and knowingly allowed a legit Donkey Kong score to be purposely neglected, a legit player to be disenfranchised so Steve and Billy and Walter all could profit from the subject material they claim as a documentay to the niave public.

I will not allow TG to exploit me so thier insider crownies can profit....NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Why play politics with Twin Galaxies when one can just play right here?

[jim5cents]

Sounds like hubris, a little too much belief in the TG name.

However, the problem is when Guiness World Records, which recognizes world records only posted by TG. Therefore, if you want to have the offical world record, then you have to go through TG or it isn't going to be recognized.

I see two possible outcomes. 1. Status Quo or 2. You will see another authority rise and you will have what has happened to the sport of boxing. You will have several governing bodies and thus, several different world records for the same thing.

[Mary McManus]

Watchthe documentaries by Dwayne Richards they expose what a coruppt scm and insider cronies Twin Galaxies really is! Billy Mitchel swindled Rick Frothgill from the firstperfect pac-man and then Seth Gordon and Ed Cuntinghan along with Steve Wiebie cheated Tim Sczerby from his Donkey Kong score from years ago!

Dwayne ( an very accomplished arcade gamer himself) has exposed the lies and corruption and cronie capitalisim that is and always will be "TWIN GALAXIES"

[Jack Bando]

What a joke. I'm completely stunned.

[Mary McManus]

Yes I agree Twin Galaxies will always be a "JOKE"..........they discredit a legit Donkey Kong Score in favor of selling out so Bill, Steve, Walter could make a nice penny for themselves while disenfranchising my mentor who "NEVER" recieved a single dime from the subject material that was stolen from him!


All the while Steve and Billy and Walter ride the wave off of an event in time someone else earned...........and recieved nothing! how do these sleeze bags sleep at night ? oh I forgot........ on top of a big pile of money. TG can go to hell. Dont worry, they will put themselves out of business very quickly with thier " new rules"...............Again Dwayne Richards unlocks many interesting behind the scenes facts reguarding KOK and the first perfect pac man. Worth watching. Check out "King of Kong lies" on youtube!

[Josephjo]

With it's new "Arcade Only" stance it has been quite sweet that the winner and runner up in the Kong Off 2012 were M.A.M.E players!

Kong Off 2012 Results (http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/kong-off-2-final-results.html)

Will this alter their blueprint for the future?

Unlikely

[Jack Bando]

To expand on my remark,

I've subbed on TG for 1-2 years plus once about 12 years ago. One VHS tape, quite a few DVDs and some digi subs. My first sub I was 16 and I'm 28 now. If this money thing would have been in place I wouldn't have 600+ records on TG I'd have 0.

Once I watched the video where one of the guys running the new TG said about the whole charging thing I stood up, walked over to my entertainment center, unplugged the SNES which was there for TG records, took it into my room with the NES/N64/GC/GB, opened the box they are in, and dumped the SNES in there. Won't need it anymore I guess.

And whoever the dude is in the middle during the video is a complete doofus.

[Mary McManus]

With it's new "Arcade Only" stance it has been quite sweet that the winner and runner up in the Kong Off 2012 were M.A.M.E players!

Kong Off 2012 Results (http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/kong-off-2-final-results.html)

Will this alter their blueprint for the future?

Unlikely
Id say I did quite well,..........I ranked 6th out of all of them and didnt have to spend a couple thousands ofdollars and TSAgerope downs/rapes at the airports..........my mentor is impressed....( would've been better if I had a pultrray 15k on thatcrook Wiebie).Again the only people to actually priofit from this "Kong Off are Billy ( who must've had two broken arms as I average his score every time I play) Steve ( who stole the subject material from my mentor, and walter who does nothing but wear a referee shirt and pretend to be fair! Oh yea and brian Kuh who also got a contract from KOK who did nothing but lie about his DK record! Watchthe Dwayne Richards Videos.they are eye openoing as to how TG is actually run..."Twin Galaxies...a score keeping scam since 2007!"...........I put that on god!

[Kong]

Mary McManus's score this weekend submitted here.
http://www.third.arcadeox.com/g/users/22/22469/coin-op_scores/dkong-1353198306.png

---------- Post added at 12:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:35 AM ----------

I have felt Twin Galaxies was failing for a while. I was making a replacement site for them before they went offline.

Then they announced that they had new owners and were going to turn all of their problems around so I put my project on hold.

But their new plans will break it even more. Very few people can or will pay $10-40 to submit a score or fly to special arcade just to have their score submitted. Introducing money and location into the equation means you are not competing against the world's best players, just the players with the most disposable income and that are near a major US city.

So I will continue to work on my project.

It is not even beta yet. No need to give feedback or test at this early stage but here it is chamPOW - Main Menu (http://www.champow.com)

Some of the scores are currently inaccurate but they will be fixed and made public even if TG decides to trash all non-first place scores.

[Mary McManus]

100% right, I ranked very well without having to spend thousands to do so.Especially in an economy thats in a depression.YES DEPRESSION! Why do you think game prices have fallen? Anyone still got $2500 to spend for a Dragon's Lair, Donkey Kong Tempest Space Ace Quantum Major Havoc or Robotron game? No I think not!..NOt Even Half that! If not much Less.
The New Twin Galaxy will soon price themselves out of business with these rules.I hate to think how much Rick Carter would spend to have his Nibbler score verified.....what a scam!


Dwayne Richards Videos are out there ( just go look) they are based on fact (not fiction like the perfect pac man or King Of Kong) These videos from Dwayne richrds expose what a shame competitive arcade gamming really is...places like this are the wave of the future.Twing Galaxies has signed its own death warrant with its new rules and restrictions ouline....RIP TG

[ARedLetterDay]

Game prices have fallen? They're still 60 dollars over here. 40 for collections, HD rereleases and fighting games.

[Mary McManus]

I mean the purchase of a classic arcade game unit silly :)

A classic arcade game unit such as Tempest is worth less than half (if not more) of what it was worth 8-10 years ago.............same goes for all classic arcade game machines............just watch and see what ones are sold for than what they are shilled for on shilling fourms like ebay. I know sone one who recently sold very nice preseverd examples of Dragon's Lair, dedicated Space Ace and and Donkey Kong arcade game units for $1100 for all 3 arcade units...........just a year and a half ago! Eveb then he had to wait fot the right buyerto come along.but dealers will say a dedicated Space Ace is $3000+ alone.(bologna) just like Twin Galaxies and thier score keeping!

[Slime Slayer]

Lol Steve Sanders is still going strong.

[Mary McManus]

Don't forget to add Tim Sczerbys 8/16/200o 879,200 Donkey Kong Score that edges by Billy Mitchelles 874,xxx 1982 score.............a full 3+ years before anyone knew who Steve Wiebie was. Just a little over sight the KoK producers forgot to look into and the staff at Twin Galaxies forgot when enough money was shoved infront of thier faces to look the other way.

[Slime Slayer]

King Of Kong Lies! - YouTube

[Mary McManus]

Yes Don King funded "BOth " sides of the boxing match " ehhh....hmmm.....Billy and Steve"......catch my drift.....eventually the idiot public caught on to this scam.................therfore no more pay perview boxing. The general public is a little slow but not entirly stupid. KOK= scam+ disenfranchisment x 9Billy Steve Walkter)+ legitimate player = Twin Galaxies!
see............ a simple equasion.

[Jack Bando]

Kong, that ChampPOW site is boss

---------- Post added at 09:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:54 AM ----------

I was just in the Kong Off 2 chatroom, when richie knucklez came in saying basically that...

"If you don't support Twin Galaxies, we will fail and you will have to go to another website".

"If Twin Galaxies doesn't support the gamers, it will fail and you will have to go to another website"-Me

[Dudebro]

I think the intentional lack of a forum is a good sign of the direction they're going in. Our way or the highway. I think the highway is gonna be bumper to bumper soon.

[Jack Bando]

I think the intentional lack of a forum is a good sign of the direction they're going in. Our way or the highway. I think the highway is gonna be bumper to bumper soon.

At least the previous owners had a forum. True, they never listened to any complaints and didn't even post, but they had a forum

[Slime Slayer]

In TG's defense, I would guess that the sheer number of submissions they receive would be overwhelming, most likely a situation where they simply did/do not have the man to power to review them all.

[jim5cents]

I will reiterate what I posted earlier. The key to TG is the Guiness Book of World Records, which only recognizes world records posted on TG. It is almost like they have a monopoly on the video game records business because any record that is put up will not be offical recognized by the authority on world records unless through TG. That is their ace in the hole.

The key to killing TG is severing that link.

[Slime Slayer]

I will reiterate what I posted earlier. The key to TG is the Guiness Book of World Records, which only recognizes world records posted on TG. It is almost like they have a monopoly on the video game records business because any record that is put up will not be offical recognized by the authority on world records unless through TG. That is their ace in the hole.

The key to killing TG is severing that link.

That's not the way I see it, I think that what they are doing is going to kill both their credibility, as well as the Guinness' credibility as well. It will essentially turn the Guinness scores into the world record version of the Spike VGA's.

[jim5cents]

That's not the way I see it, I think that what they are doing is going to kill both their credibility, as well as the Guinness' credibility as well. It will essentially turn the Guinness scores into the world record version of the Spike VGA's.

I really think that is wishful thinking on your part. Guinness is the recognized authority on world records. There is a gold standard seal of approval when it comes to it.

[Slime Slayer]

I really think that is wishful thinking on your part. Guinness is the recognized authority on world records. There is a gold standard seal of approval when it comes to it.

Anyone who is interested in high-scores will write off whatever is listed in the GBWR's, because they know that there are most likely scores that are higher, because the gamer didn't want to pay the ridiculous fee, or TG didn't accept it because they didn't feel like it or whatever. To the general public, it will still be taken at face value, but anyone who is actually interested the GBWR's will be a joke.

[Jack Bando]

In TG's defense, I would guess that the sheer number of submissions they receive would be overwhelming, most likely a situation where they simply did/do not have the man to power to review them all.

This site gets a lot of scores and it's not in trouble man power wise (I hope. Love to help if I'm wrong). Here's an idea of what TG should do to verify scores

Step 0)Make subs online a major thing. Get most if not all of the scores to be subbed online through Mediafire or youtube type deals.

Step 1)Train a few refs, we'll call them Senior Refs. (There are 3 refs in my system, Jr-Regular-Sr)

Step 2)Anyone who wants can be a Junior Ref. A junior ref just watches any online sub and says if there's no cheating they see and if it's legit.

Step 3)Any video a Jr watches gets kicked up to a regular or Senior. A Reg/Sr can give a video an official stamp and a Sr can overrule a regular. A reg/Sr can also have any video ignore step 2.

Step 4)Any Jr refs that do very well in giving their opinion gets promoted to regular.

You now have a ton of refs for free. You now have a ton of submissions for free. You now have a ton of verified scores fast

[Winnebagel]

This is such a bad business decision it's laughable. It's everything I feared they would do, but it's horrifically out of touch. I see TG crashing before long.

Long live RU!!!

[Jack Bando]

Apparently with their current contract with Guinness WR's they have to submit to them 350 WR's per year for the book.

And after Richie/Jourdan stating they are only accepting Arcade scores in 2013.

When in the video did they say Arc only?

[Barra]

I didnt see where they said that. What I got from it was they will HAVE TO accept console and MAME scores due to their 350 score-a-year contract with guinness. They admit that they only want arcade scores but the contract forces them to accept the others.

I cant understand why they would only accept WR scores. How about top 5, or even top 10? I DO understand they dont want to verify 100th place scores, but 2nd, 3rd and 4th are significant achievements too. Even 10th place on DK will soon require a score over a million. Are they saying this isnt good enough to be on their scoreboard?

[Jack Bando]

I cant understand why they would only accept WR scores. How about top 5, or even top 10? I DO understand they dont want to verify 100th place scores, but 2nd, 3rd and 4th are significant achievements too. Even 10th place on DK will soon require a score over a million. Are they saying this isnt good enough to be on their scoreboard?

It sounded more like they'll only keep WR's on the list. (If I beat Chien for DK we'll both be on the list, if someone beats me it'll show all 3 of us)

[Barra]

It sounded more like they'll only keep WR's on the list. (If I beat Chien for DK we'll both be on the list, if someone beats me it'll show all 3 of us)

I mean going forward. Under the new ruling, if someone gets a DK score 100pts behind Hanks current record, it wouldnt be accepted by them since its not a "world record". Seems a bit silly if you ask me.

[thetedster]

Pardon my french, but I'll never spend 40 dollars to be "A Part of History"... they're out of their minds.

I play a lot of professional magic: The Gathering, and I could spend 40 dollars on a legitimate Pro Tour Qualifier, not on a world record that needs to have, at most, 30-45 minutes of time done watching the video to verify; then placed into html code onto a web site.

At that rate, can I make a web site called "Big numbers game"? You send me a dollar, and a number, from 1 to 2 billion. I take that number, use a "Hidden formula" and place it on the wall. who knows who will have the bigger number, but if you do, it'll have bright shiny lights around the number and your name!

I'm sorry, but people who make no business sense blow my mind. (I'm a business major with a marketing minor)

[Jack Bando]

The more I think about the two parts I dislike (no forum and $), both can be salvaged perhaps

No forum-An unofficial one will probably pop up and everyone will let people know where it is. Not as good as an official one though

$-Since it's $15 for an hour and $25 for anything longer it means that the price is not tied to an hourly fee. So first I'm hoping it's not per record cost but per disc. (If I send in a disc with 10 records 6 minutes each I give them $15. If I give them $150...hahahahah..no.)

If it is per disc and you can request no certificate the fee goes to about 8 and 17 respectively. 17 for sending in a full disc doesn't sound terrible, and maybe they can drop it further.

I hope.

[Mary McManus]

Don't forget, even if one does follow the rules for submitting scores to TG and the score is verified by TG, officials can always latter lie and say the score was "constantly disputed" and impossible to verify" if a player with connections in the movie business shove enough cash under thier noses. If movie producers (ahhh...hmmm. Seth Gordon, Ed Cuntingham and "thier boy" Steve Wiebie) wish to disenfranchise the player out the accomplish ment. Yes, TG has done this and the con job that has become KOK is a prime example of lies and disenfranchisement by TG. This is all documented fact! Noone can offer any response against.

If anyone doent believe this the I dare anyone to ask Steve at one of these public events he attends who actually had The DK record before him and see what he tells you.....then ask him how much money he and his cronies made off the disenfranchisement......then ask how he sleeps at night!~

[thetedster]

you realize you would be paying money for something that should be celebrated by gamers automatically right?

It would be like if Michael Jordan had to pay to play basketball, how much sense does that make.

EDIT: What I should say is Michael Jordan Paying to show others his replays and paying for his own awards

[Jack Bando]

True Ted. The problem from what I understand is when Walter sold TG it was no longer a non-profit, making it almost impossible to have volunteers on staff, which means they need to be paid, I was hoping 1Up/Richie would just eat the costs or sell a lot of shirts, but that looks unlikely.

[Mary McManus]

theperfectfraudman (http://www.theperfectfraudman.com/) Informative info here! Step into the reality behind some of gamings greatest controversies and cover-ups here.

[SMASH]

Dwayne is just mad that billy broke his gentlemens agreement and got a perfect pacman score before the rest.

[Barra]

From TGI's Facebook:


I would like to thank the gaming community for coming together and being a part of such an incredible weekend. The Kong Off 2 ended up with national news coverage, and it was well deserved. It will be remembered as a monumental weekend that was much larger than just a Donkey Kong Competition. It is the hope of our organization to continue to bring the community together, and we plan to do that through multiple live events in 2013.

The Twin Galaxies Masters Tournament will begin this coming February and Conclude in September of 2013. There will be a full rundown on the format of this Tournament/Series when the TG website launches.

I am pleased to announce a few changes to my statements made this past Saturday on “Arcade Culture”.

The Kong Off 3 will take place the weekend of November 15th-17th 2013 at The 1up in Denver, Colorado.

Regarding the submission process:

I have been following the numerous threads and have done my best to take everyone’s opinions into consideration.

The cost per submission to Twin Galaxies will be $15 no matter what the length/duration is.

I would like to breakdown the cost per submission:

As of January 1st 2013 Colorado “Minimum Wage” is $7.78 per hour. There is the cost of the certificate, and in addition to that, each certificate will be returned in a USPS Priority Mail Envelope, with Delivery Confirmation at a cost of $5.75. Once the score is verified, there is still time that must be spent updating the database, and ultimately a fee associated with processing the transaction.

We hope that you can see that the fee associated with each submission is to help us offset the cost associated with verifying each record. There is simply no way to effectively verify submissions in a timely manner without having a fee associated with it.

We will no longer be accepting online/uploaded submissions as in the past the paperwork required for each submission would never arrive or correspond with the uploaded content. All submission must be mailed to Twin Galaxies headquarters in Denver Colorado.

We will begin verifying/accepting submissions as of Monday December 3rd 2012.

We will be accepting “Top Ten” submissions for the “Arcade” platform only.

Due to the amount of console platforms, the number of games available for each, and in some cases the number of games/records available for each game; the only way to properly verify console scores is to accept record breaking/setting submissions only. This is our position for now, and we hope to expand this to mirror the Arcade platform as our organization grows.

We will “Not” be dropping any platforms that have been a part of the Twin Galaxies Database.

Again I would like to thank everyone for their patience, and please know that we are diligently working to get the scoreboard and Twin Galaxies back online.

J-O

Some good news. Glad they will now include top 10 for arcade and I can understand where they are coming from with the consoles.

[Mary McManus]

Finaly glad to hear someone admit! Thank You. Yea Billy just broke a gentelmans aggreement and cheated Rich Fothergill out of the opprutunity, Walter was in on it to. So what are you saying its ok for these score keeping officials to conduct business like that and turn a profit at the expense of cheating others. If one persons scores are not safe than neither is yours....

---------- Post added 11-21-2012 at 12:47 AM ---------- Previous post was 11-20-2012 at 09:17 PM ----------

Why not have people set up to play right here via RU for the next kong off? Not everyone who would like to participate can afford the travel and lodging expense.
Some of us like to play for fun and friendly competition, the only ones allowed to exploit KOK for monetary profit are Steve and Billy anyway (I saw thier newline cinema contracts) .not like anyone else will profit from it anyhow..no matterhow good they are.

A seperate designation for those at RU would be nice................this will eliminate unaffordable travel expenses, TSA grope downs/rapes at the airports, not having to go through radiation maches at the airport and I can avoid having my possessions stolen out of my luggage from the same TSA goons that enjoy the power trip of groping the air travelers and radiating them in microwave ovens...........on second though even if I had the money I wouldn't fly anyway.


Again a catagory for RU would be nice next time.

[Jack Bando]

Barra, they also said there will be a reduced rate if someone doesn't want a certificate

[Barra]

Yeah just read that on facebook.
Thats good news to me (if I ever deciide to submit) as there would have likely been an increase in rate since Im international.
Like it or hate it, these guys are far better than the last lot already.

[SMASH]

Well, long live RU. Kong and you all you admins that verify scores are under appreciated. Thanks for all your volunteer time.

---------- Post added 11-26-2012 at 06:47 AM ---------- Previous post was 11-21-2012 at 10:19 AM ----------

From TG's FB page

Thank you all so much for taking your time to post on our Facebook Page. I will be the first one to admit that someone’s (my own) idea is not always the best idea. Twin Galaxies is a very near and dear organization to many people and it is our goal to be as accommodating as possible.

When we purchased the company we were assured by the prior owners that scoring was current to within a couple of months, and in addition we were told that there were no outstanding obligations such as certificates, posters and other financial items.

In addition to the above not being the case, we knew that there were flaws in the scoring/submission process. Please understand that the prior ownership was running a for profit business by using volunteer labor to service the core of the business, which is the scoreboard. When you leave something so serious to the community, up to a volunteer group, it’s only a matter of time before there are flaws associated with it, which devalue the brand. While there only may have been just a few rouge referees or volunteers working under the prior ownership, their actions were enough to devalue the company to just a name, and the legacy of Walter Day.

Without Walter Day, who was not even a part of the prior ownership or a volunteer in any form or fashion, there wouldn’t be much left to the Twin Galaxies name. Walter’s Trading Card project is the only thing that has kept the legacy of Twin Galaxies and the history of Competitive Gaming in the public eye. We are really thankful to be working with Walter on a day-to-day basis to return Twin Galaxies to what it once was.

We really enjoy reading everyone’s feedback online no matter if its positive or negative. The positive helps us shape our vision as we do not have all of the answers, and all of the negative feedback we hope has become as comedic to you, as it has for us.

Now that a week has past since announcing the initial submission/scoring process, we would like to update you on where we stand for now. We know that together we will get to a model that is viewed as fair for the community and also sound from a business perspective. It is our hope that the scoring system is at least a “break even” for Twin Galaxies.

We want to be able to supply the community with a service that is fairly priced, has a fast turnaround, and is honestly scored. There is no way to do this without associating a fee with it. The fee associated with each submission will be $15 USD. This is a flat fee no matter what place, platform or length of the submission for a single game title.

We will be accepting ALL SCORES (no matter what place) on EVERY PLATFORM. Record breaking scores will receive a “World Record Certificate” returned to the player, which is included in the submission fee.

For titles in which a player can achieve multiple scores/records we will be allowing players to submit as many scores/records on the same title that fit into “1-hour” of content for the single $15 USD submission fee.

When we begin to accept submissions we ask that all submissions be sent by snail-mail for the first 30-days. At the beginning of 2013 we will open up for online submissions. The online submission process will allow us to accept MAME scores, International scores and traditional scores at a lower cost to the player.

Once a new “World Record” is verified, a snippet of that submission will be made available so people can share their achievements with the community via social media. If the past/prior record holder and “other competitors” within the current rankings of that specific title challenge a record, the submission will become public domain to be refereed by the community. If a competitor is found to be cheating he will be banned from the TG rankings and all prior score submissions will be revoked.

The scoreboard as of October 3rd, 2012 is grandfathered in. We would also like you to know that all of the media associated with the submissions documented on the scoreboard as of that date were not transferred from the prior ownership of Twin Galaxies. Therefore records set prior to October 3rd, 2012 may not be challenged.

Beginning in 2013 you will see some changes to “Mature Scores”. Every score that is currently part of the database WILL remain a part of the database as it is a part of gaming history, but there may be new requirements for titles so we can get new scoring associated along side “Mature Records”. A good example of this is “Turbo” by Sega. There are the OLD/EASY requirements and then those scores, while the still exist on the scoreboard, have been abandoned for the NEW/HARD settings. I tried to pick as non-controversial an example as I could.

Please know that everything above is where we are "at this time".

We hope to have all of this information up shortly on the Twin Galaxies website, and everything will be covered in greater detail.

Again I would like to thank you for your input and patience.

J-O

[Kong]

When you leave something so serious to the community, up to a volunteer group, it’s only a matter of time before there are flaws associated with it, which devalue the brand.
I would like to thank our mods for proving that is not always true.

We would also like you to know that all of the media associated with the submissions documented on the scoreboard as of that date were not transferred from the prior ownership of Twin Galaxies. Therefore records set prior to October 3rd, 2012 may not be challenged.
Twin Galaxies' screenshots, INP, and videos prior to June 2012 will be made available on chamPOW.com and you may challenge them from there.

[Fellowroot]

We all know that Twin Galaxies has been down for a while now. Apparently it is because it now has new owners. I understand that.

Now, what I do not understand is that Twin Galaxies on their Facebook page said that they would have the site back up in early December. In fact they stated that it should be back by December 3th. Now, I don't have a problem with delays and I know that sometimes when you make plans for something to happen there are of course delays and setbacks, but why the heck is their Facebook page down too?

I really don't understand this. Their site goes down and now their Facebook page is down too! What the hell is happening? Are they trying to avoid talking to the community about what's going on? Can somebody fill me in? Where is my damn Twin Galaxies?!?!!?

[Slime Slayer]

We all know that Twin Galaxies has been down for a while now. Apparently it is because it now has new owners. I understand that.

Now, what I do not understand is that Twin Galaxies on their Facebook page said that they would have the site back up in early December. In fact they stated that it should be back by December 3th. Now, I don't have a problem with delays and I know that sometimes when you make plans for something to happen there are of course delays and setbacks, but why the heck is their Facebook page down too?

I really don't understand this. Their site goes down and now their Facebook page is down too! What the hell is happening? Are they trying to avoid talking to the community about what's going on? Can somebody fill me in? Where is my damn Twin Galaxies?!?!!?
Why don't you just make Retrouprising your new home? I find it better in every way. Sorry I don't have an answer to your question though.

[Dudebro]

We have no affiliation with TG. Some of our members also post/play there but that's it, as far as I'm aware. We know as much as you do.

[Fellowroot]

Why don't you just make Retrouprising your new home? I find it better in every way. Sorry I don't have an answer to your question though.

Yes, this is a totally cool site and I love it. I could play and set scores all day, but there is only one thing that I care about and that is setting official world records.

If its not official then what is it worth?

[D.B. Cooper]

You think just because TG calls something a World Record that it really is? Sad:face:

[Slime Slayer]

Yes, this is a totally cool site and I love it. I could play and set scores all day, but there is only one thing that I care about and that is setting official world records.

If its not official then what is it worth?
Believe me, you'll find plenty of wold class scores here.

[Fellowroot]

$15 out of your hard earned cash per score according to Twin Galaxies when you submit

Here at Retrouprising, its $0.00

I can see where I will be setting scores in the future.

I've been telling everyone I know about Kongs champow.com site, when that site gets really going it will be better than any other multi platform gaming record site.

I wish Kong every success in champow.com and hope it takes off and becomes more recognized as the site to go to for records.

P.S. Its Free

---------- Post added at 05:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 AM ----------

Also, the twingalaxies.com site STILL has old news from October 17th.

I found twin galaxies after watching The King of Kong, probably like most newcomers. Imagine you watched the film in the last 2 weeks, got interested, and read that information on Twin Galaxies website. Waited till the end of November, still the same information.

Its now the middle of December, still the same information. You would find elsewhere to play games and submit scores. If that happened when I watched KoK years ago, I wouldn't have bothered.

Regarding the 15 dollar fee. This is what I've been told or read from Twin Galaxies.

The $15 dollars you have to pay includes up to 1 hour of video footage. Meaning that if you have a score that is 10 minutes in length you could send it in for a fee of $15 dollars or if you had several submissions that were 10 mins in length then you could send in 6 scores that were 10 mins each for a grand total of $15. Basically you cram as many submissions as you can into a 1 hour time slot for a $15 charge.

Also if you have a tape that is 5 hours then is the price 15(5) = $75? Apparently no! The price is $15 for an hour and if your run is many hours its still just $15.

So what you do is just wait until you have an hours worth of footage then you send it in for $15 and if you happen to have a really long marathon run then its still just $15 dollars.

Also on their podcast they said that the $15 includes a certificate and if you don't want a certificate then the price could even be less than $15.

All this information came from their facebook account and the podcast that was at the Kong Off 2. Now whether the info still reflects their current practice or not, well, we will have to wait and see.

[bearhawk72]

I don't see the point in world records anyways. Why? Because it involves not playing the game the way it is designed, but more exploiting the game system for points and playing as long as you can. Sounds rather boring and tedious to me.

[Fellowroot]

$15 is still $15 more than nearly every other "send us your record" site charges.

I'll be using RetroUprising, MARP, Retroarcademagazine, aurcade, recordsetter, and any other site that lets me upload my score rather than a site that isn't currently working since October 17th. The only advantage TG has over all these sites is that you can get your name in the Guinness book, and that will go if TG doesn't get the scores they need (300 new records/year) is what I understand.

For 2013, with the downtime and the lack of a website from when it went down, I think that would be quite impressive if they pulled it off...

They are concentrating more and more on live Arcade scores, which means people outside of the USA have to spend at least $1500 to attempt to get a score on an obscure arcade title. Good luck with that.

And I really do hope that Donkey Kong gets maxed out soon, I am sick of hearing about that game on the gaming news sites.

If you have watched the King of Kong, you will eventually realise that every single person on there only specialises on ONE GAME.

Billy Mitchell, Steve Wiebe - Donkey Kong / Donkey Kong Jr
Greg Bond - Mappy
Billy Mitchell - Pac Man
Mark Alpiger - Crystal Castles
Robert Mruczak - Star Wars

They are all (nearly) one game people, too much publicity gets shown for one game, the new TG needs to change this. There are loads of people on here (RU) that play a lot of different games and hold WR's, we need more people that are not a "one trick pony", and that prove themselves on different games, not just one "well known" game.

Well I certainly will agree with you in the fact that Twin Galaxies needs to expand to promote other players other than like for example the ones you listed.

Tom Votava is an excellent player.

Peter Gatland seems to have to excellent scores.

Rodrigo Lopes seems to have his name littered all over the MAME scoreboards.


And Saulo Bastos is pretty excellent as well.

Yet you hardly ever hear anything about these guys in the form of news media.

[/URL]

---------- Post added 12-16-2012 at 03:20 PM ---------- Previous post was 12-15-2012 at 02:59 PM ----------

See normally you just go here.

http://www.facebook.com/twingalaxies (http://champow.com/index.php?player=saulo%20n.p%20bastos)

and that should get you to the their facebook page.

but when you try to go there you get his

[url]http://www.facebook.com/home.php

as if their pages doesn't even exist.

Why the heck did they take it down?

Facebook isn't down! There should be no reason why Twin Galaxies has their facebook page down.

[Dudebro]

From the sound of things they're restructuring from the ground up and changing everything. They probably have to change their facebook to reflect the new pay to post model.

[Fellowroot]

Or the asshat(s) that hacked the old site have been messing around again.

If thats so,. I hope they leave them alone at least till they get their site back up again.

Yeah, I remember when the Twin Galaxies forums got hacked and then there was a follow up post stating to change your password and such.

And if they are going to completely redo the Twin Galaxies facebook page then I would at least expect a temporary page setup that states that they are in the process of rebuilding the site and the facebook page from the ground up and give some kind of expected finish date.

You can't just disappear off the planet and leave thousands of players hanging.

---------- Post added at 03:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 AM ----------

Hold the Phone!

Okay, so I was reading about how to play the games on your site just because I might well maybe set a new high score on a game and I read the following in the rules section.

"If you do not log in at least once every 2 years then your account along with your scores and save states might be deleted."

Wait a minute, for some reason this doesn't make any sense to me. If I don't log in during a certain time frame then all my scores could be deleted! What?

I know a lot of people here are saying that this place is a lot better than Twin Galaxies and all, but I don't really see why anyone's scores should be deleted simply because they are inactive for a while.

At Twin Galaxies I can set a score in the 80's and forget about it and then what do you know, its still there now in 2012!

To me that's the whole point of setting world records. When you set a record it should be there forever! No one should be able to take it away from you.

[Slime Slayer]

Yeah, I remember when the Twin Galaxies forums got hacked and then there was a follow up post stating to change your password and such.

And if they are going to completely redo the Twin Galaxies facebook page then I would at least expect a temporary page setup that states that they are in the process of rebuilding the site and the facebook page from the ground up and give some kind of expected finish date.

You can't just disappear off the planet and leave thousands of players hanging.

---------- Post added at 03:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 AM ----------

Hold the Phone!

Okay, so I was reading about how to play the games on your site just because I might well maybe set a new high score on a game and I read the following in the rules section.

"If you do not log in at least once every 2 years then your account along with your scores and save states might be deleted."

Wait a minute, for some reason this doesn't make any sense to me. If I don't log in during a certain time frame then all my scores could be deleted! What?

I know a lot of people here are saying that this place is a lot better than Twin Galaxies and all, but I don't really see why anyone's scores should be deleted simply because they are inactive for a while.

At Twin Galaxies I can set a score in the 80's and forget about it and then what do you know, its still there now in 2012!

To me that's the whole point of setting world records. When you set a record it should be there forever! No one should be able to take it away from you.
I don't think that is the case anymore, and the rules need to be updated. Pretty sure anyway.

[Fellowroot]

So many days keep on going by and STILL no word from Twin Galaxies.

This is crazy. What the heck man!!!

[Fellowroot]

In last Saturdays Arcade Culture webcast, Richie Knucklez stated that the new website the people were working on for him turned out to be a steaming pile of dung. The website will now not be live for at least another couple of months, probably Feb/Mar 2013.

Thanks for the news man.

You know they better get their act together and do this thing right when the reopen.

[Barra]

Yeah but as far as I'm aware David Nelson was all good. Wonder if MAME will be included under the arcade TG

[Barra]

Timmell = Michael sroka

I could agree if he was coming back under the same management but since it has changed anything can happen.
I resigned my management retail job coz the executives were a bunch of loonies, now that the reigns have been taken over I would consider going back.

They better have MAME.

[Fellowroot]

If they don't have MAME......... VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN!!!

[Fellowroot]

you realize you would be paying money for something that should be celebrated by gamers automatically right?

It would be like if Michael Jordan had to pay to play basketball, how much sense does that make.

EDIT: What I should say is Michael Jordan Paying to show others his replays and paying for his own awards

This is a GREAT analogy of whats really happening!

However, millions of people will watch a game of basketball. Millions of people don't care to watch a video game performance.

[Les Martin]

Interesting. This means if I submit a score for a game like say Super PacMan I will have to pay TG over $1,500. Then someone will have to try and accept the fact, after they have the money.......if I've read correctly that what they are viewing is true and possible. That is .... messed up. For Jr PacMan it would cost over $1,000. Ok. So cool I have two records and I am out $2500. I thought the record holders, in other competitive venues, made money......
Sometimes watching a recording is easier to accept than watching it in person. If my math is right Rick Carter would hve to come up with $3000 to submit his Nibbler record.
That is messed up.
That is like Albert Pujols, or Josh Hamilton in MLB paying the MLB Commissioner $1000 to hit home runs each and every time.
That is messed up.
Sounds like TG just wants to collect money and then say perhaps, hey your score is so high and so unbelievable we don;t accept it. But we keep your money.
That is messed up.
We all may have to support this new web site
http://www.twingalaxiesismessedup.com

[Jack Bando]

They said they'd have mame a while ago

[Fellowroot]

So I still don't see the Twin Galaxies website up??!!?!

WAT THE HEELLLLLLL---OOWW!

[Fellowroot]

Agreed, if it weren't for MAME, SO MANY games would be lost, either all dysfunctional, or hoarded by collectors. The 'arcade scene' would be even less than it is now, for the sole fact that nobody other than PCB owners would be able to play the games.

MAME is the modern way to play video game arcade machines just as e-mail is the modern way to mail a letter.

[d3scride]

Richie posted another update today:

"While we continue to work towards a brand new experience for our fans and the gaming industry, we do have some fantastic announcements to make!

As we all wait frustrated for the database to return online, do not think for a second that we are at a standstill. Originally we hired a professional web design firm to finally bring the Twin Galaxies web experience to the modern era. After months of waiting on pins and needles for even a quote, a few days ago we were sticker shocked by a price tag more than what we paid for the company. That coupled with at least a 6 to 8 week turn around, really hit Jourdan and I hard.
The very same day I found a new web design firm,
(Comprised of all Gamers!)
who were more than stoked to tackle our project.
Today “1/10/2013” marks day one that they have the entire historical archives as it was on the day it went dark. Join me in prayer to the Arcade Gods that this is the answer to this debacle.
WE WILL NOT take over Twin Galaxies and just rehash the same garbage that has been passed off as the “leaders of the industry”.
I feel we must start with brick one and rebuild so that your respect is earned. I promise you no platform will be abandoned. I am also proud to announce that legendary gamer Pat Laffaye has joined our staff as my right hand man utilizing his “Live Contest Scoring System”
Pat also expressed interest in heading up the MAME division since he has had such a big role in the success of MARP."

[Fellowroot]

There better be MAME!

I have spent too many hours getting these scores for someone to just get rid of them.

Some of my best video game accomplishment are some of my MAME WR's.

[RevJ]

I'm feeling pretty bummed about the forums - everything GONE!

All those blogs, all those stories about various WR attempts, all that cheap thrift-shop eye candy, tips on obscure games, the friendly banter of the TG community, all those contributions, even the controversial stuff and the wacky chaps having their say, all TG history ... GONE

:pissed-off:

[Dudebro]

That sounds like what happened with Xbox.com. They updated the site and destroyed the old one. This caused lots of regulars to leave because all their efforts were slashed and burned for no apparent reason. Now the forum is a wasteland of bitter people arguing. It used to be vibrant and fun. I bet something similar with happen with TG if what I'm reading is all true.

[d3scride]

I'm feeling pretty bummed about the forums - everything GONE!

All those blogs, all those stories about various WR attempts, all that cheap thrift-shop eye candy, tips on obscure games, the friendly banter of the TG community, all those contributions, even the controversial stuff and the wacky chaps having their say, all TG history ... GONE

:pissed-off:

From what I heard, the old forums will supposedly be archived. Hopefully that is the case so all that history is not lost.

[Fellowroot]

Yeah, remember that Home Alone NES WR score. Rudy challenged Marc's score and nobody took him seriously and then WOW he was right. LOL That's got to be archived.

Hey guys I got a question. Does anyone have a link to the official TG approved MAME emulator? I want to start working on setting a MAME score, but I deleted my emulator off my computer because get this " I was trying to kick the addiction of video games by removing them off my computer " anyway I don't think that I can avoid playing these games now so yeah and the link that I used to use in the forums doesn't exist because the forums no longer exist.

Actually this whole thing just really pisses me off.

1.) The TG website and forums should have NEVER been taken down. The only time the site should be going down is when they are uploading the new one.

2.) They didn't even leave the settings and stuff up so that current people and still set records during the Christmas break. I'm a student and the only times that I really get a change to sit down and take my records seriously are when I'm not in school.

Normally this ENTIRE Christmas break would have been spent setting records, but NOOOOOOO since the settings aren't up I wouldn't even know if I were playing the games on the correct settings or not.

3.) This whole new TG thing just has put a big unpleasant dent in my usual score setting attitude that I normally have.

4.) I actually bought myself a REAL arcade machine for my x-mas present to myself. Its a Street Fighter 2 and now since the site is down. I can't even see what the current SF score is!

I'm just pissed off at a lot of stuff.

Don't take the site down until you have a new one to put up.

[d3scride]

Yeah, remember that Home Alone NES WR score. Rudy challenged Marc's score and nobody took him seriously and then WOW he was right. LOL That's got to be archived.

Hey guys I got a question. Does anyone have a link to the official TG approved MAME emulator? I want to start working on setting a MAME score, but I deleted my emulator off my computer because get this " I was trying to kick the addiction of video games by removing them off my computer " anyway I don't think that I can avoid playing these games now so yeah and the link that I used to use in the forums doesn't exist because the forums no longer exist.

Actually this whole thing just really pisses me off.

1.) The TG website and forums should have NEVER been taken down. The only time the site should be going down is when they are uploading the new one.

2.) They didn't even leave the settings and stuff up so that current people and still set records during the Christmas break. I'm a student and the only times that I really get a change to sit down and take my records seriously are when I'm not in school.

Normally this ENTIRE Christmas break would have been spent setting records, but NOOOOOOO since the settings aren't up I wouldn't even know if I were playing the games on the correct settings or not.

3.) This whole new TG thing just has put a big unpleasant dent in my usual score setting attitude that I normally have.

4.) I actually bought myself a REAL arcade machine for my x-mas present to myself. Its a Street Fighter 2 and now since the site is down. I can't even see what the current SF score is!

I'm just pissed off at a lot.

Don't take the site down until you have a new one to put up.

Database with ALL of TGs scores including settings:

http://www.arcadedj.com/base.php
http://www.champow.com/

You're welcome :)

[Fellowroot]

Database with ALL of TGs scores including settings:

ChamPOW - Main Menu (http://www.arcadedj.com/base.php)
chamPOW - Main Menu (http://www.champow.com/)

You're welcome :)

d3scride thank you so much man! Why didn't I think about asking eairler? I didn't know that there was a backup.

But I still don't know what version of MAME that we used to use because that link is missing in the forums.

I believe its wolf MAME 1.06 correct me if I'm wrong.

Now I don't have to worry about not being able to set records!

As soon as Twin Galaxies opens up, there are going to be suprised by me.;)

[Barra]

It's not a backup by TG.
WolfMAME 0.106 is what we use. If you needed I can send you the file.

[gastrainga]

You can download the version of WolfMAME that was required by Twin Galaxies (WolfMAME .106) from Index of / (http://wolfmame.marpirc.net/)

A direct link to the self-extracting zip file for WolfMAME .106 is http://wolfmame.marpirc.net/wolfmameplus-0106.exe

Note that WolfMAME is actually written and maintained by a MARP editor for MARP, and Twin Galaxies just decided to start using it as well.

-George

[Fellowroot]

It's not a backup by TG.
WolfMAME 0.106 is what we use. If you needed I can send you the file.

Got it! Thanks man.

FYI I found a MAME game that I now realize that I can marathon.

I believe that I can take this score on this game to new heights that have never been achieved before.

I have the top score on TG, but the MARP record is way higher and currently beats me.

Buw I know how to blow away the MARP score!

This just may be the longest marathon score I have ever set. It may well be over 24 hours!

I'm basically just going to play until I passout. You will see it when the new Twin Galaxies comes back.

Hheheheheheheh

[Winnebagel]

Got it! Thanks man.

FYI I found a MAME game that I now realize that I can marathon.

I believe that I can take this score on this game to new heights that have never been achieved before.

I have the top score on TG, but the MARP record is way higher and currently beats me.

Buw I know how to blow away the MARP score!

This just may be the longest marathon score I have ever set. It may well be over 24 hours!

I'm basically just going to play until I passout. You will see it when the new Twin Galaxies comes back.

Hheheheheheheh

Have you tried to set the record on RU? You should be able to set that right away and go ahead and get the record in place. Why wait? :party:

[Kong]

ChamPOW is the site I am working on to track all official game scores. It will not be limited to just Twin Galaxy scores. It is still in early stages.

Hopefully Twin Galaxies will use a newer version of MAME when they return. Freezing at .106 is stupid.

[Fellowroot]

Have you tried to set the record on RU? You should be able to set that right away and go ahead and get the record in place. Why wait? :party:

Thanks, but sadly this is one of those games where Twin Galaxies tracks it, yet it's not listed in your database.

[Winnebagel]

Thanks, but sadly this is one of those games where Twin Galaxies tracks it, yet it's not listed in your database.

Are you sure? Is the game not on RU at all, or is it one that just hasn't been score enabled yet? Do you want to tell us the game? We might be able to activate it so you can set the record. If you don't want to say publicly, you could private message me or another mod. Most games on RU can be played for scores and records and everything is on the level (unlike some of TG's site has been at times in the past no offense meant). We would be happy to check it out if you would like. Just let us know.

[Fellowroot]

ChamPOW is the site I am working on to track all official game scores. It will not be limited to just Twin Galaxy scores. It is still in early stages.

Hopefully Twin Galaxies will use a newer version of MAME when they return. Freezing at .106 is stupid.

I really happy that someone decided to make a back up copy of the scores.

You know I really having a place where all of the official scores are listed because sometimes if you just look at TG and MARP you can miss out on even higher scores that people are not aware of.

For example there is this game where I have the highest score on TG and MARP, but I then found some Japanese site where someone even scored higher than me and I saw in inp so I'm pretty sure its legit, but I had to really search far and wide on the internet to find it.

I as a record setter would really like to know who really has the highest score on a game. You can't call yourself a champion unless you really know that you are on top.

Anyway, I think the biggest challenge with a site like yours it keeping it up to date and making sure that the scores from the various sites are all played under the same settings.

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Are you sure? Is the game not on RU at all, or is it one that just hasn't been score enabled yet? Do you want to tell us the game? We might be able to activate it so you can set the record. If you don't want to say publicly, you could private message me or another mod. Most games on RU can be played for scores and records and everything is on the level (unlike some of TG's site has been at times in the past no offense meant). We would be happy to check it out if you would like. Just let us know.

Ok, are you ready for this.

I'm going to be super honest here.

This site, Retrouprising is freaking awesome!

You can play all the games here live without ever having to download the games and such. Its pretty much hassle free. If you are ever stuck someplace and bored all you have to do is come here and have some fun. This place is definitely cool.

Now, here is the thing. Lets say that I do a huge marathon score here at Retrouprising. Okay great I did it now what? Can I now also submit that score to Twin Galaxies for verification? Are you guys using the same version of MAME as TG does? If I set a record here where can I find my inp file? I only ask this because when you do a crazy marathon that lasts like forever and is really taxing on your body you want it to of course count as an official world record right? I don't want to do that type of score twice. Anyways.......

I'll let everyone know the name of the game when I set the score.

[d3scride]

Another update from Richie K. on CAGnet:

"I pulled the trigger with the new web design firm;

Due to financial constraints the new website will be (Rick) rolled out in phases.

Phase 1
Complete database back up online with new up to date faster search methods.
Ability to start adding new scores to the database and accepting new submissions.
For now a Word Press blog to post latest news and information.
users can login with their facebook account to post comments, like and share blog posts.
No log in is needed to search database, look up scores, see game settings etc...
join mailing list feature


target completion estimate; 30 days from today"

[Kong]

I'm going to be super honest here.

This site, Retrouprising is freaking awesome!Thanks :)


Lets say that I do a huge marathon score here at Retrouprising.You can set marathon scores here but I do not think we are the absolute best outlet for this. Live, arcade performances and twitch.tv could be better for marathons. But you can set marathon scores here. I suggest talking to a mod first to make sure you understand all rules for the particular game in question. When doing so let us know of any tricks you plan on using.

We have not fully hashed out our rules for marathoning so try to talk to a mod at least a few days before you plan to play.

Can I now also submit that score to Twin Galaxies for verification? Are you guys using the same version of MAME as TG does?No and no. Hopefully they will change their rules after reopening.

However your score will automatically be submitted to ChamPOW which will have more accurate world records since it will be pulling from multiple sources.

If I set a record here where can I find my inp file?Replays (INPs) of all scores are available to all donors.

[gastrainga]

Hopefully Twin Galaxies will use a newer version of MAME when they return. Freezing at .106 is stupid.
Agreed. .106 came out in 2006. You don't have to use a "retro" version of MAME to do retrogaming. MAME has had a ton of fixes and new games added since 2006.

Unfortunately, I doubt TG will move away from .106 any time soon.

-George

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Replays (INPs) of all scores are available to all donors.
Kong, is there a way to get "raw" inp files from RU submissions that would be compatible with a "standalone" version of MAME, or are things customized enough at the file/MAME level on RU as to make that technically difficult?

The reason I ask is that while TG uses a different MAME version, MARP allows submissions using any version of MAME, provided it isn't for 1st place on the game (1st place requires a version of WolfMAME). If the raw inp was available and it worked in a standalone version of MAME, those of us that play at both RU and MARP could take our RU submission and also submit it to MARP.

Thanks,
George

[Kong]

It might be possible to submit RU INPs to MARP, or with a few tweaks it would be. I will look into it later. If I haven't mentioned anything by the time I announce ChamPOW is finished then remind me again.

[gastrainga]

It might be possible to submit RU INPs to MARP, or with a few tweaks it would be. I will look into it later. If I haven't mentioned anything by the time I announce ChamPOW is finished then remind me again.
Thanks Kong!

[Kong]

I have made a big update to chamPOW - Main Menu (http://champow.com).

It is still beta but is fairly usable now. All Twin Galaxy scores up to June 2012 are listed - unless there was some reason for me to remove them - such as a score of zero or the score was never verified in the first place or there was no name associated with the score etc.

Still no need to comment on usability. I know several things that need to be fixed. I just released it early since I know several people are anxious to see the old scores and rules.

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If you see anything wrong with the data, let me know. Such as a wrong score or name etc. I think I have fixed all of that but it is a lot of date to normalize and had a lot of errors to begin with.

[Fellowroot]

I have made a big update to chamPOW - Main Menu (http://champow.com).

It is still beta but is fairly usable now. All Twin Galaxy scores up to June 2012 are listed - unless there was some reason for me to remove them - such as a score of zero or the score was never verified in the first place or there was no name associated with the score etc.

Still no need to comment on usability. I know several things that need to be fixed. I just released it early since I know several people are anxious to see the old scores and rules.

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If you see anything wrong with the data, let me know. Such as a wrong score or name etc. I think I have fixed all of that but it is a lot of date to normalize and had a lot of errors to begin with.

I think its awesome what your are doing, but really just how are you going to keep up with another scoreboard?

Everytime Twin Galaxies enters in a new score you will have to document that. Without some type of automation program or something you will be doing countless hours of book keeping.

And also you have to do additional research on the scores you enter. Some scores that were in the TG data base have been challenged and or removed or changed. There was this one score for a MAME game that I pointed out to a TG referee that it was actually for another game and that it was mistakenly placed in the wrong category. I was able to tell that it wasn't the right game by looking at the inp by the way. There are some scores which may not even be credible like those crazy 1980's arcade marathon scores. I myself am willing to bet money that the top Robotron arcade score that supposedly took 3 days of playing the game without it accidentally resetting on itself is a bogus score.

Last but not least. There are some scores which are just badly tracked. I finally got the NES Back to the Future scores grandfathered due to poorly set up rules by TG. I myself would have a hard time making a site like yours simply because I would want to be 100% sure that the scores are legit. When I go to some sites and just see a score with no inp who really knows if its real or not.

Anyway just ranting and raving or whatever.

[Fellowroot]

It looks like Twin Galaxies is getting ready to get back up and running. If you read the new update on the site they "claim" that by around Feb 23 ish the database should be back up and running.

Who really knows when it will be, but at least its something to hope for.

[d3scride]

New update:

2/15/13 Welcome to Twin Galaxies!

I just got back from my meeting with websignia.net and was blown away. The database is finished and searchable. The layout design and functionality were amazing. We are now in the administrative user phase (where we can access the database and add the new scores)
I was outvoted on unleashing this beast until a few more tweaks were completed. “ANXIETY”

[Barra]

Sounds promising

[Barra]

NEW Twingalaxies website is up. Still in beta phase but search options are available! Looks great so far.
About | Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com/about/)

[Fellowroot]

NEW Twingalaxies website is up. Still in beta phase but search options are available! Looks great so far.
About | Twin Galaxies (http://www.twingalaxies.com/about/)

Yeah, I just went to the TG website and saw the new look. Then I came here to post about it and BAM you beat me to it Barra!

Now I can get the Street Fighter 2 dip switch settings and set a NEW WORLD RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Barra]

For some reason i get a 404 not found error message when I try to go to their new page.

[Kong]

Over all I like it. Hands down way way easier to use than the old site.

Here is some constructive feedback in case any TG people are reading this.

The only way to view the scores is to search for a game name. There should be a browse menu and search by system, player, date, genre etc.

There is no way to see recently added scores. Probably because they are not accepting new scores yet.

Search works quick and easy but the search box should always be visible in the top right corner - to the right of the ghosts. No need to toggle it off.

The search result page lists all games regardless of port - which is good but not clear. They should be listed in alphabetical order and should have system icons that show you which platform the game is on. Example if you are searching for the the Virtual Console version of Donkey Kong. All you can search by is game name so you search for Donkey Kong. That gives you an unsorted list of about 35 games. If you were unaware that the Virtual Console version was called Donkey Kong: Original Edition then you would have to click on several of those and then hit the back button and start over several times before you found the VC port. Easier to just list a icon for each system on the first game search page.

After selecting the game, the platform page works great - except if there is just one platform available then it should skip this page and take you directly to the variation page.

Variation page should be alphabetized and if there is only one choice skip the page and automatically take you to the score board.

The final score board page should show the verification method (referee, recording, inp etc) and it should provide a link to screen shots and recordings if available. Nice to see they changed there mind about only listing the top score.

The gold and blue ribbons give it a nice 80s feel. Personally I think text on top of a graphic background is a mistake - the galaxy image makes it too busy.

Looks like they removed all MAME scores which is sad. Hopefully they come back.

Over all, nice job. A few small tweaks and it can be an excellent job.

[kernzy]

i get nothing.
no tg here....
;(

[Emerald Warrior]

Was thinking about joining then I read you have to pay a fee if you want to submit you're score.

[Permafrostrick]

I saw mame scores.... enter a game in the search like q*bert then select q*bert and you will see mame listed among the platforms...same for other games. it might be 100% of the database is not online(?)...not sure there.

suggestions mostly are being made at the CAGDC forums so if you already are a member there just suggest over there. Richie reads and participates in this forum regularly and already has replied to several suggestions made since site is up. some stuff they already are aware of but where it was not 100% working right in the beta so they deactivated that part until it's fixed to put back...like searching via player name.

date issues seem to be the other main issue...if a player set a score in 1984...but then beat it 2012...it lists the new score but the original date...the date doesn't seem to be properly linked with the score in the database. they are working on a fix for that.

[kernzy]

i've already got a challenge for a score on there.
i was number 1 in 88 games 100 meters. 8 seconds odd. my score got beaten with another 8 second time.
i immediately beat it the same day with a 7.8 or thereabouts.
i got an email from russell archey telling me the score was achieved by possibly using the "run like hell "cheat. on WOLFMAME?
anyway, the top score now is 6 seconds, which was not there when the site went down. it has magically appeared today.
6 seconds is achievable but 7.9 is cheating?
hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...!!!!

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ok, heres a relative quote from cagdc:
"My guess would be that scores that were "removed" from the old TG were not deleted as such from the database, but were somehow flagged with a field in the database to say that the score has been disqualified. Looks as though the new site may not be picking this up. Anyone else who knows of games where scores were in and then later disqualified/removed can probably verify this."
solves my dilemma!!!

[Fellowroot]

Over all I like it. Hands down way way easier to use than the old site.

Here is some constructive feedback in case any TG people are reading this.

The only way to view the scores is to search for a game name. There should be a browse menu and search by system, player, date, genre etc.

There is no way to see recently added scores. Probably because they are not accepting new scores yet.

Search works quick and easy but the search box should always be visible in the top right corner - to the right of the ghosts. No need to toggle it off.

The search result page lists all games regardless of port - which is good but not clear. They should be listed in alphabetical order and should have system icons that show you which platform the game is on. Example if you are searching for the the Virtual Console version of Donkey Kong. All you can search by is game name so you search for Donkey Kong. That gives you an unsorted list of about 35 games. If you were unaware that the Virtual Console version was called Donkey Kong: Original Edition then you would have to click on several of those and then hit the back button and start over several times before you found the VC port. Easier to just list a icon for each system on the first game search page.

After selecting the game, the platform page works great - except if there is just one platform available then it should skip this page and take you directly to the variation page.

Variation page should be alphabetized and if there is only one choice skip the page and automatically take you to the score board.

The final score board page should show the verification method (referee, recording, inp etc) and it should provide a link to screen shots and recordings if available. Nice to see they changed there mind about only listing the top score.

The gold and blue ribbons give it a nice 80s feel. Personally I think text on top of a graphic background is a mistake - the galaxy image makes it too busy.

Looks like they removed all MAME scores which is sad. Hopefully they come back.

Over all, nice job. A few small tweaks and it can be an excellent job.

I also agree Kong. It would be really nice to also search by the system of the game and see an alphabetical list of all the games for a desired system of interest.

And small system icons would help tremendously! Many games have so many different versions on various platforms that its hard to find the one you want like for example Donkey Kong.

Also did you get my PM Kong? I want to know what you think about adding An Super Mario World Central Production, a Super Mario World Hack to the list of games you host here for speed runs or game completion.

I have been wanting to see people play this game and attempt to beat it for a long time. I want to see the game play of people runs. I know that you have to be a donor to see the recordings. If you put this game on your list then I will only be forced to donate to your site an order to watch the recordings which means more money for your site and for you. Please add this game Kong!

Thanks.

[Barra]

"My guess would be that scores that were "removed" from the old TG were not deleted as such from the database, but were somehow flagged with a field in the database to say that the score has been disqualified. Looks as though the new site may not be picking this up. Anyone else who knows of games where scores were in and then later disqualified/removed can probably verify this."


I think this sounds likely. I've noticed a couple of scores that were DQ'd are listed as #1 or wherever they would have been.

[Kong]

Have you done that? Noticed many differences?

[Wolf]

i think i was there wolfman24

[Kong]

At the very least you should have a unique and strong password for your email and your bank.

You should never ever use your email pass anywhere else. If your email pass matches say TG and someone steals your TG pass then they have your email pass then they can reset all your other passes and access everything you have. Your email pass is your most important pass, the gatekeeper pass.

[Wolf]

i took care of all my passwords

[RevJ]

Thanks Unclechicken!

Luckily I had a TG password not like anything used elsewhere.

I'm wondering though if it is possible to even log into the current TG website?

[Barra]

Thanks Unclechicken!

Luckily I had a TG password not like anything used elsewhere.

I'm wondering though if it is possible to even log into the current TG website?

Not as of yet, Id say it wont be possible until they start accepting submissions again. (mid-april?)

[Dudebro]

I've been doing some digging around on hacking forums
I'm surprised no one asked this yet, why?

[Jack Bando]

Q: What does it cost to submit a score to Twin Galaxies?
A: Players may purchase Twin Galaxies score submissions based on three tiers:
- $25.00 – One (1) score submission or up to Two (2) hours of recording
....... - $60.00 – Three (3) score submission or up to Six (6) hours of recording
....... - $75.00 – Five (5) score submission or up to Twelve (12) hours of recording




RIP

[Dudebro]

What a scam.

[d3scride]

Q: What does it cost to submit a score to Twin Galaxies?
A: Players may purchase Twin Galaxies score submissions based on three tiers:
- $25.00 – One (1) score submission or up to Two (2) hours of recording
....... - $60.00 – Three (3) score submission or up to Six (6) hours of recording
....... - $75.00 – Five (5) score submission or up to Twelve (12) hours of recording




RIP

Sadly QFT. It's even more expensive then they originally stated and even then it was way too much.

[Tails]

should pathe the way for RU.

[D.B. Cooper]

Q: What does it cost to submit a score to Twin Galaxies?
A: Players may purchase Twin Galaxies score submissions based on three tiers:
- $25.00 – One (1) score submission or up to Two (2) hours of recording
- $60.00 – Three (3) score submission or up to Six (6) hours of recording
- $75.00 – Five (5) score submission or up to Twelve (12) hours of recording




RIP

I wonder how much they'll charge that dude who played Qbert for 60+ hours? Oh ya, he's one of thier buddies so they probably won't make him pay at all.

It will be interesting to see how many people will actually pay to have a score put up on a scoreboard. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would ever submit a score for a console game at these prices, especially the newer ones that already have their own scoreboards. I know this cuts me out of the picture. I had considered doing a record run on Timber but I was planning on playing over 12 hours and there is no way I'm paying $75+ just to say I have an arcade record when I can do it in MAME and submit to MARP or here. Add in the fact that this Cat person is now an employee and I don't see myself giving a crap about TG ever again. My prediction is that in a few months to a year, they'll figure out this isn't working and try and change again but it will be too late as most of their customers will have moved on to other things.

[Seahawk]

I hate the be the one naysayer this time around, but I don't really see the issue.

Say you have a 12 hour video. At the highest tier you're basically paying someone $6.25 an hour just to watch your video and do nothing else.
That's less than USA minimum wage ($7.25 currently).

I mean, sure, having to pay for it does bring up that whole "pay for high score" feeling, but I don't see how you could run such a big organization for free. I can't imagine how they managed it before.

If I'm missing an important element in this, please enlighten me.

[D.B. Cooper]

I hate the be the one naysayer this time around, but I don't really see the issue.

Say you have a 12 hour video. At the highest tier you're basically paying someone $6.25 an hour just to watch your video and do nothing else.
That's less than USA minimum wage ($7.25 currently).

I mean, sure, having to pay for it does bring up that whole "pay for high score" feeling, but I don't see how you could run such a big organization for free. I can't imagine how they managed it before.

If I'm missing an important element in this, please enlighten me.

They managed it before the same as RU. Volunteers and donations.

Are you going to be willing to pay these prices to have your name on the TG website? You can justify them charging these prices all you want but I think the majority opinion is there's no market for it. There are many alternatives to TG that don't charge anything so why pay for something you can get for free? Sure, there will be a few that will be duped into thinking that when you have the high score at TG it's a "World Record" and will pay for that honor but will it be enough to keep them in business? I don't think so but it's just my opinion. Only time will tell.

[Seahawk]

They managed it before the same as RU. Volunteers and donations.

That's not a fair comparison at all. RU has a very small number of users. TG handles submissions from all over the world, with recordings that can be days long. There are logistics issues (receive/send out shipments), manufacturing (awards/memorabilia/what not), as well as organizing events. This is far far beyond the scope of a volunteer force. Without some sort of volunteer certification you run the risk of cheats and favoritism like before.

Maybe it's just me, but I certainly would not want to sit for days on end watching joystick movements, button presses, and game video feed watching for cheats, at no charge.

Are you going to be willing to pay these prices to have your name on the TG website?

No, not ever.

Fair disclosure, I am pretty biased against the idea of world records in general. All it comes down to is an entry in a database and maybe a sheet of paper with a congratulatory note.

You can justify them charging these prices all you want but I think the majority opinion is there's no market for it. There are many alternatives to TG that don't charge anything so why pay for something you can get for free? Sure, there will be a few that will be duped into thinking that when you have the high score at TG it's a "World Record" and will pay for that honor but will it be enough to keep them in business? I don't think so but it's just my opinion. Only time will tell.

I'm not trying to justify them. I have no interest in their organization or world records, and if they disappeared for good I would not care at all.

I guess I just don't get the outrage over them charging for what is a very luxury concept in the first place: proving/saying you have the high score.

I do agree that there might not be any market at all for such a service if you have to pay for it. Time will tell indeed.

[Permafrostrick]

DB, why I don't like the fees also...live performances at sanctioned venues or events like Richie's arcade do not have any fee for submission.

TG actually wants to encourage live performance at these venues or events so these fees definitely will give those close to venues a big advantage for submission on games at these venues. It also discourages using mame since if at a sanctioned venue you likely are playing on a real machine, not a mame one.

I agree if they are unwilling to partner up with sites like RU, aurcade, MARP, etc. then most playing mame at least likely are to submit to these other scoreboards.

[D.B. Cooper]

@ Seahawk. Not sure if the comment was even directed at me but I'm not outraged by this at all. Just stating my opinion that I don't think it's going to work. The fact is I'm having a lot more fun being part of RU than I ever did playing at TG and even if the service was free, I was never again going to record my play on VHS (or DVD) and send in the mail. Might have submitted some more scores in MAME and some arcade scores but really no big deal. For me, gaming is all about having fun and enjoying myself and I have no ambitions to get famous or have my picture on a trading card.

I wasn't comparing TG to RU. I was just stating a fact. Before the buyout, TG was entirely run by volunteers.

[Kong]

There are logistics issues (receive/send out shipments)Shipping costs would be paid by the player either way. I think they should charge a small flat handling fee for physical media - VHS, DVD etc. They should have a free digital submission option.

manufacturing (awards/memorabilia/what not)Charging a little for these would be reasonable but I think giving them away for free would be smart advertising. The free advertising you get when someone hangs it in their office would totally pay for the low cost of printing a high quality certificate.

as well as organizing events.Events should pay for themselves. If you do the event right it should be profitable, not a money loss.

Without some sort of volunteer certification you run the risk of cheats and favoritism like before.Charging the player does nothing to fix this problem.

Maybe it's just me, but I certainly would not want to sit for days on end watching joystick movements, button presses, and game video feed watching for cheats, at no charge.
I am guessing $5/hr wouldn't do much to change your mind.

Options
1. Charge the player. New TG style.
2. Volunteer refs. RU style.
3. P2P refs. MARP style.
4. A combination of 2 & 3.
5. Generate money from other sources - donations, advertisement, events, merchandiser, etc. - use that money to hire refs.

Option 1 is by far the worst choice.

I think a combination of 4 and 5 would be best. Generate some cash from external sources, use that to hire dedicated refs, then release all files to the public so anyone can double check and make sure no mistakes were made.

My prediction is that in a few months to a year, they'll figure out this isn't working and try and change again but it will be too late as most of their customers will have moved on to other things.
I agree. I predict 6-18 months.

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Any idea how many submissions a month they were receiving prior to the buy out last year?

[Dudebro]

Seems like this is an obvious attempt to cash in, not cover their costs. But then again they are blowing money on giving awards/trading cards and dinners to people who aren't even world record holders.

[TodayIsForgotten]

When did TG start charging to record? What a joke. That site blows anyhow, guys. Arcadia scores blow every single one of those scores on TG out of the water.

Hell, even i havea world record in Exerion with like 1.2m and with 2 lives since my emulator would minus a life out. But, apparently some guy has 3m in that game. I'll say it again, TG is a joke. The only scores that will raise eyebrows are a few old games in the pacman era. Other than that, someone sets a world record with a score that can be beaten on the first stage? I understand this site has WR for crappy scores, too, but people seem to gloat about that on TG.

I dont know if things have changed but wasn't TG only open to the USA? That's pretty lame for a world record/score holding site.

You can hate my post or me for saying it, but i and many other people who are more competitive with scoring than me will reiterate these thoughts.

[Fellowroot]

Okay so I set high scores on video games and I just can't help it.

I just recently got a new world record on Gulf Storm MAME which beats the highest score known for this game. So will someone sponsor me and help pay for the cost of getting it verified. All I know is that I will be setting plenty of world records in the future and I simply won't be able to afford the costs associated with sending in my scores.

Thanks.

[Slime Slayer]

Okay so I set high scores on video games and I just can't help it.

I just recently got a new world record on Gulf Storm MAME which beats the highest score known for this game. So will someone sponsor me and help pay for the cost of getting it verified. All I know is that I will be setting plenty of world records in the future and I simply won't be able to afford the costs associated with sending in my scores.

Thanks.
Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke.

[Fellowroot]

Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke.

No, I'm sorry, but this is NOT a joke.

I am a professional video game player and will be setting tons of WRs in the future. I can't afford to spend 100's and 100's of dollars on submitting my scores.

If I have to I will eventually make some youtube videos asking for people to sponsor me. I have the skill, not necessarily the money.

[Barra]

No one would sponsor anyone for breaking world records.

[Slime Slayer]

No, I'm sorry, but this is NOT a joke.

I am a professional video game player and will be setting tons of WRs in the future. I can't afford to spend 100's and 100's of dollars on submitting my scores.

If I have to I will eventually make some youtube videos asking for people to sponsor me. I have the skill, not necessarily the money.
Forget about TG, scores you set here are just as, if not more valid than the ones set on TG, they are not "official" Guiness Book of World Records scores, but the numbers don't lie. If you are looking for financial gain then you might want to look into playing Starcraft.

[Dudebro]

No, I'm sorry, but this is NOT a joke.

Maybe not a joke but it's sarcasm right? To be clear RU does not allow people to beg for money on the site. Normally a post like that would be deleted but since it doesn't seem sincere we'll leave it up for laughs.

[NESKING2]

No one would sponsor anyone for breaking world records.

Stupid close minded statement

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No, I'm sorry, but this is NOT a joke.

I am a professional video game player and will be setting tons of WRs in the future. I can't afford to spend 100's and 100's of dollars on submitting my scores.

If I have to I will eventually make some youtube videos asking for people to sponsor me. I have the skill, not necessarily the money.

That is gonna have to be part of the route we all go for sure and get people THAT actually know marketing not the ones who think it

[Dudebro]

Who is gonna sponsor someone to play retro games? If you can't afford TGs prices you're out of luck. You're better off submitting your scores on better sites, like RU.

[TodayIsForgotten]

Stupid close minded statement

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That is gonna have to be part of the route we all go for sure and get people THAT actually know marketing not the ones who think it

The chances that anyone gets sponsored playing retro games is very small. Barra is pretty spot-on. You may find someone and i mean one(1).

Look at any of the sites that have retro leagues. There are no more than 30 people, 50 if you want to include MARP playing retro titles for competition. If there were thousands of players, yes then sponsors would be more prevalent.

Thing is no one cares about retro titles or WR anymore. They are too busy playing Call of Duty or Guitar Hero. More specifically, money is in FPS ( and fighting, RTS) not retro.

[D.B. Cooper]

No, I'm sorry, but this is NOT a joke.

I am a professional video game player and will be setting tons of WRs in the future. I can't afford to spend 100's and 100's of dollars on submitting my scores.

If I have to I will eventually make some youtube videos asking for people to sponsor me. I have the skill, not necessarily the money.

I have an idea. Get a job.

[NESKING2]

[QUOTE=TodayIsForgotten;252988]The chances that anyone gets sponsored playing retro games is very small. Barra is pretty spot-on. You may find someone and i mean one(1).

Look at any of the sites that have retro leagues. There are no more than 30 people, 50 if you want to include MARP playing retro titles for competition. If there were thousands of players, yes then sponsors would be more prevalent.

Thing is no one cares about retro titles or WR anymore. They are too busy playing Call of Duty or Guitar Hero. More specifically, money is in FPS ( and fighting, RTS) not retro.[/QUOTE

:meeting::yawn: :talktohand:rolls eyes

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you know what i like best?... the price - YouTube TG is lucky they are not a car dealership but this is the path they are headed lol

[Barra]

Sorry Rudy but its the truth. Whether we like it or not its something we have to accept. I would like just as much as you for someone to pay me to play games and break world records. Most people in this HOBBY dont have enough money to submit a score to TG, how the heck do you expect someone to sponsor you?

[NESKING2]

Sorry Rudy but its the truth. Whether we like it or not its something we have to accept. I would like just as much as you for someone to pay me to play games and break world records. Most people in this HOBBY dont have enough money to submit a score to TG, how the heck do you expect someone to sponsor you?

It's not true it's called being GREEN and ignorant, it is happening and there are things in THE works and I'm quite involved, even though you THINK or believe there is nobody who cares and or market....

Your dead wrong on top of and I don't expect you to comprehend or understand this CLASSIC gaming sales on all classic STUFF are up 40% in 7 years the people most interested 18-24 new interests

and NES alone the value of the carts and accessories are up 17 to 30 percent in 7 years

So don't tell me there is NO money or a way to form an ALL around league it's there were getting the RIGHT people, people who can market and do it right, not people who are close minded....

Anything can work or be marketed....

A@E and the other networks prove it DAILY.....

It's a conversation 90% of our scene don't understand.......

Bottom line there is stuff in the works and eventually its gonna blow everyone's mind just like anything else, that sounds crazy before it happens....

CIAO

[Dudebro]

You keep talking about how we all just don't "get it" and you have some understanding we're missing, prove it. Get sponsored, steamroll our scoreboard and reveal your damning evidence against Cat. As the saying goes- put up or shut up.

I know you have a short temper but this needed to be said I think. Stay calm and prove me wrong if you can.

[Slime Slayer]

The problem with sponsoring retro gamers to play is that there is no market, there is absolutely nothing that could provide a return to the sponsors. All the coin-op units have all ceased to be manufactured ages ago, there is no equipment to plaster brands and logo's all over. What do you expect? Something like: "Nitro brand stools!!, the only stool worthy of Billy Mitchells ass!"?
There is no revenue from ad clicks from live-streams, you'd be lucky to get more than a few thousand streamers from the largest of tournaments. The fighting game community is one of the largest competetive markets out there, you know what they get from their sponsors? Arcade Sticks, that's it, no air fare, no hotel accommodations, not even a meal ticket.

There is no market, you can keep dreaming all you want, but nobody is dumb enough to put money into something when it is guaranteed they will see no return.

Seriously Rudy, stop wasting your time and energy, it's not going to happen.

[Seahawk]

Your dead wrong on top of and I don't expect you to comprehend or understand this CLASSIC gaming sales on all classic STUFF are up 40% in 7 years the people most interested 18-24 new interests

and NES alone the value of the carts and accessories are up 17 to 30 percent in 7 years

This is because they are long out of manufacture, becoming rarer by the day as copies are lost/destroyed, and hoarded by the collector scene. Not because people are suddenly interested in buying copies to play for world records.

[NESKING2]

The problem with sponsoring retro gamers to play is that there is no market, there is absolutely nothing that could provide a return to the sponsors. All the coin-op units have all ceased to be manufactured ages ago, there is no equipment to plaster brands and logo's all over. What do you expect? Something like: "Nitro brand stools!!, the only stool worthy of Billy Mitchells ass!"?
There is no revenue from ad clicks from live-streams, you'd be lucky to get more than a few thousand streamers from the largest of tournaments. The fighting game community is one of the largest competetive markets out there, you know what they get from their sponsors? Arcade Sticks, that's it, no air fare, no hotel accommodations, not even a meal ticket.

There is no market, you can keep dreaming all you want, but nobody is dumb enough to put money into something when it is guaranteed they will see no return.

Seriously Rudy, stop wasting your time and energy, it's not going to happen.



yup just like everything else that would never happen till it happened

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This is because they are long out of manufacture, becoming rarer by the day as copies are lost/destroyed, and hoarded by the collector scene. Not because people are suddenly interested in buying copies to play for world records.




Okkkkkk lol LMFAO :sleepy:

[Fellowroot]

All I'm saying is that if I set around 15 or so world records which would cost a few thousand dollars to get Twin Galaxies to verified them. I would go onto Kickstarter and start a fundraiser to gain the money to pay for the scores to be verified.

I've seen plenty of crap get funded on Kickstarter (cough cough like $100,000 for Cheetahmen) so I'm sure people would fund me.

Support the CHAMPS!!!

[Dudebro]

You shouldn't have to pay for it, that's the point. I saw a guy on FB saying it would cost someone almost 6k to beat all his scores. Who in their right mind would even consider that?

[Seahawk]

All I'm saying is that if I set around 15 or so world records which would cost a few thousand dollars to get Twin Galaxies to verified them. I would go onto Kickstarter and start a fundraiser to gain the money to pay for the scores to be verified.

I've seen plenty of crap get funded on Kickstarter (cough cough like $100,000 for Cheetahmen) so I'm sure people would fund me.

People Kickstart projects in exchange for some end result, usually the product being developed with the funds. Not so that you (and only you) get your name in a database entry.

Besides, if you're willing to drop so much money on a game playing setup, and are willing to spend DAYS playing games for no cost (instead of doing a job which pays you money) you should have no problem paying whatever fee TG is asking for.

[NESKING2]

All I'm saying is that if I set around 15 or so world records which would cost a few thousand dollars to get Twin Galaxies to verified them. I would go onto Kickstarter and start a fundraiser to gain the money to pay for the scores to be verified.

I've seen plenty of crap get funded on Kickstarter (cough cough like $100,000 for Cheetahmen) so I'm sure people would fund me.

Support the CHAMPS!!!


Fellowroot forget what they all say here they have NO idea nor the passion us CHAMPS do we take it serious and ONE day will prove em all wrong............

[Mareeps]

This is the most interesting conversation I've ever heard

[DrunkN]

Fellowroot forget what they all say here they have NO idea nor the passion us CHAMPS do we take it serious and ONE day will prove em all wrong............
You seem pretty optimistic and devoted, which is a good start, but as it currently stands it's an empty boast. If there ever are sponsors for world records, and you are as skilled as you say, I'm sure you could probably land one, but does that really seem like a likely scenario at time?

"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do." - Henry Ford

[NESKING2]

You seem pretty optimistic and devoted, which is a good start, but as it currently stands it's an empty boast. If there ever are sponsors for world records, and you are as skilled as you say, I'm sure you could probably land one, but does that really seem like a likely scenario at time?

"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do." - Henry Ford

Thanks it's more for the NEW comers I'm getting ready to be on my way out little by little I just wanna see others get what I did not get for myself, so we can all be electronic paid athletes

[Slime Slayer]

Thanks it's more for the NEW comers I'm getting ready to be on my way out little by little I just wanna see others get what I did not get for myself, so we can all be electronic paid athletes
Well good luck, I hope you are aware of the size of the mountains that lie ahead.

[NESKING2]

Well good luck, I hope you are aware of the size of the mountains that lie ahead.


There will always be MOUNTAINS to climb just like my gaming accomplishments BUT somebody has to do it right?????

If everything was so easy it would be no challenge

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You keep talking about how we all just don't "get it" and you have some understanding we're missing, prove it. Get sponsored, steamroll our scoreboard and reveal your damning evidence against Cat. As the saying goes- put up or shut up.

I know you have a short temper but this needed to be said I think. Stay calm and prove me wrong if you can.

I can remain calm and I don't have to PROVE jack to you anyone here the steamroll is a given, my NUMBERS would clearly steam roll any score that is not as high as mine, second evidence is everywhere, and I will post some stuff but not all....

Third I been sponsored as I was to the KOng OFf last year EVERYTHING was paid for by two people my room flights/food/drinks etc...

You want evidence learn about who I am get off the page type my name on any search and learn who I really am.....

Nuff said

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By the way I'am avail for exclusive interviews MONDAY-FRIDAY 4AM-12AM PST.

and on SUNDAYS from 8AM-5PM excluding holidays......

Than you can learn who I am and why it's a waste of my time to take away from these guys what they earned and worked so hard for, ESPECIALLY on any games i PLAY OR ENJOY......

[Fellowroot]

Thanks it's more for the NEW comers I'm getting ready to be on my way out little by little I just wanna see others get what I did not get for myself, so we can all be electronic paid athletes

I don't get it when you say that you are on your way out.

Does that mean that you quit?!?!

A true video game world champ NEVER QUITS.

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People Kickstart projects in exchange for some end result, usually the product being developed with the funds. Not so that you (and only you) get your name in a database entry.

Besides, if you're willing to drop so much money on a game playing setup, and are willing to spend DAYS playing games for no cost (instead of doing a job which pays you money) you should have no problem paying whatever fee TG is asking for.

Many of the systems I already own and most old games are pretty cheap on Amazon. So I'm actually not dropping that much money at all.

And I've seen all kinds of Kickstarter projects, even one to raise money for a pet dogs surgery.

What if someone set a new Donkey Kong world record, but didn't have the money to spend an order to get it verified. Wouldn't you chip in a few bucks for the guy? Its about having someone breaking the scores and supporting them, that's what matters.

[NESKING2]

I don't get it when you say that you are on your way out.

Does that mean that you quit?!?!

A true video game world champ NEVER QUITS.

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Many of the systems I already own and most old games are pretty cheap on Amazon. So I'm actually not dropping that much money at all.



And I've seen all kinds of Kickstarter projects, even one to raise money for a pet dogs surgery.

What if someone set a new Donkey Kong world record, but didn't have the money to spend an order to get it verified. Wouldn't you chip in a few bucks for the guy? Its about having someone breaking the scores and supporting them, that's what matters.


well what is there for me to prove bud not many more things i can do

[Tails]

I wouldn't as wr is just drama stress and will be broken eventually.

[Barra]

Maybe for donkey kong, but not some obscure title on some console nobody has ever heard of. Also I dont see "chipping in a few bucks" as sponsorship.

[Fellowroot]

well what is there for me to prove bud not many more things i can do

For MAME there are seriously a few thousand games to set scores on and I know that you haven't even touched that system.

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Maybe for donkey kong, but not some obscure title on some console nobody has ever heard of. Also I dont see "chipping in a few bucks" as sponsorship.

If I do a Kickstarter project and a lot of people just chip in a few bucks it adds up.

[NESKING2]

For MAME there are seriously a few thousand games to set scores on and I know that you haven't even touched that system.

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If I do a Kickstarter project and a lot of people just chip in a few bucks it adds up.


Not really interested in MAME and every title COUNTS that is why Barra ur clueless, an obscure title needs more exposure like a new play in a sport or a B movie if you understand what that means....

Bum DK that is becoming so played out and the idiots who follow it...

Any game can be what BUM DK was it's all about marketing....


Fellowroot I do not think u get it bud I'm losing interest and right now I'm working on making all around gaming something for the future, I have done my work SCREW Mame if I want a score ill get it but it really does not matter for me....


I done all I needed to do as for as scores far more than I expected, here and there Ill go for games but until we get paid it's getting old quick....


Maybe if it's DK before DK was exploited DK was just a game, it's so stupid how our community thinks LOL

[Kong]

If someone is actually going to pay for you to set high scores I think it would be better for the money to go to you than to website.

[NESKING2]

Maybe for donkey kong, but not some obscure title on some console nobody has ever heard of. Also I dont see "chipping in a few bucks" as sponsorship.

Your statements prove you have no clue or understanding of marketing or promo of new games or products NONE....

Although you have a right to ur opinion however you sound like Rob M and Dwayne R and other close minded people...

DK was nothing till it was exploited NOTHING but a regular game

Anything and everything can be marketed even the games YOU think nobody ever heard of.....

I know u prob don't remember because its clear u do NOT pay attention my argument on HOME ALONE the horrible garbage stupid unknown game got more VIEWS and HITS than any other article in a 5 day TG history EVER even since when TG forums started, what you gonnna say to that some lame excuse, well because it was Rudy well that is true lol, because my attitude, because what....

Because I can take ANY title and make it popular always have and always will, if you actually came out of ur BOX, you see I got 140 likes for my 0 score to Qbert 172 and my story was hidden and I got so many emails and calls and had 4 interviews about it but the game I played nobody ever heard of that is because of the idiots who run things, clicks add up exposure is what brings in dollars press etc.... My TG article got more hits and VIEWS than Ken Houses Dig Dug and Victors Missle Command COMBINED TOTAL

What is the excuse

Here it goes 10% of the gaming population is actually smart and is starting to see the bias ONE sided BS cover up and are tired of it....

Anyways I'm done using my brain and finger muscles taking to walls and if ya don't get it now you never will......

I can take any game destroy it with a 0 score a max score or LOW score and get more press on it even IF the others ignore it....

Remember that and I always will

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If someone is actually going to pay for you to set high scores I think it would be better for the money to go to you than to website.

AGREED :victory:

[D.B. Cooper]

And I've seen all kinds of Kickstarter projects, even one to raise money for a pet dogs surgery.

I would give money so that someone could save there loved pet every day of the week. But give you money to submit a MAME score to a meaningless scoreboard when it could be done for free at MARP? No chance.

Tell me if I'm wrong. The only reason you won't submit to MARP is because you don't want people to see you're gameplay?

[NESKING2]

I would give money so that someone could save there loved pet every day of the week. But give you money to submit a MAME score to a meaningless scoreboard when it could be done for free at MARP? No chance.

Tell me if I'm wrong. The only reason you won't submit to MARP is because you don't want people to see you're gameplay?

If we were PAID I would not care because than scores win lose would not matter BUT since all we have is pride YUP nobody has a right to see ones work unless it's unbeatable or can only be NEARLY matched....

Not that I have much room for error on my stuff BUT many guys do

[Dudebro]

What if someone set a new Donkey Kong world record, but didn't have the money to spend an order to get it verified. Wouldn't you chip in a few bucks for the guy?
No, I'd tell him to stop throwing away his money and use free sites like RU/ChamPow. TG is a dinosaur on the verge of extinction. Instead of trying adapt they made their extinction worse by charging people. Anyone who gives them money deserves to mocked for supporting this scam.


@NesKing2- Is that the secret? You won't steamroll our board because you're afraid of people seeing your gameplay? Lol, quit making empty boasts then, put up or shut up.

[D.B. Cooper]

DK was nothing till it was exploited NOTHING but a regular game



I agree with you on a lot of things but this isn't one of them. I watched your video and I'm going to assume you weren't old enough to be aware of things when DK came to the arcades. Calling DK nothing but a regular game is like saying Led Zeppelin was just a regular band or Michael Jordan was just a regular basketball player. It's just not an accurate statement.

It's hard enough to get the general public interested in people playing games they've heard of. I could be wrong but I don't think there's any chance you will get any interest in joe public watching players play games they know nothing about.

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My comment regarding showing gameplay was directed toward Fellowroot although it's interesting to hear Rudy's/Nesking2's take as well.

[NESKING2]

No, I'd tell him to stop throwing away his money and use free sites like RU/ChamPow. TG is a dinosaur on the verge of extinction. Instead of trying adapt they made their extinction worse by charging people. Anyone who gives them money deserves to mocked for supporting this scam.


@NesKing2- Is that the secret? You won't steamroll our board because you're afraid of people seeing your gameplay? Lol, quit making empty boasts then, put up or shut up.


Dude you shut up I could care less who would see my work ON THE NES end it's not like anyone seeing it will match it. it would be almost a shame to steamroll the NES scores, and ah I have done my work on real consoles, so stop Flapping your gums about ur emus to be steamrolled I'm not here to waste my time..... and I don't need too.....


If you wanna pay me for my time to submit a NEW NES score on an emu there is a little thing called an email/PM/Skype and we can talk about it...

As far as my own work that comes with urge

I'm in books and magazines, radio shows, trading cards, Guinness, all over the internet, articles/interviews and I'm known even though people think I'm not......

Any Questions ??????

Because the CONSOLE PLAYER OF THE CENTURY is really getting sick of being harassed and belittled by a so called MOD who acts quite unprofessional.....

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So since I'm not breaking the rules your the one who needs to calm down and slowly back away and let me do my thing here....

Dude You have an issue talk to me on PM calmly and professionally

No more public ill just ignore u

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I agree with you on a lot of things but this isn't one of them. I watched your video and I'm going to assume you weren't old enough to be aware of things when DK came to the arcades. Calling DK nothing but a regular game is like saying Led Zeppelin was just a regular band or Michael Jordan was just a regular basketball player. It's just not an accurate statement.

It's hard enough to get the general public interested in people playing games they've heard of. I could be wrong but I don't think there's any chance you will get any interest in joe public watching players play games they know nothing about.

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My comment regarding showing gameplay was directed toward Fellowroot although it's interesting to hear Rudy's/Nesking2's take as well.

It's very accurate I was around for the arcade era was quite young BUT I also played and enjoyed DK it's still a GAME games are games and it's not the cream of the crop NO game really is....

And the CONSOLE PLAYER OF THE CENTURY SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK......

:sinister:

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While I can follow rules and respect the MODS I will not be talked down to nor bow down to THEM, so if I get banned proves my point of all my statements......

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and I expect respect in return

[D.B. Cooper]

And the CONSOLE PLAYER OF THE CENTURY SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK......

:sinister:

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and I expect respect in return

You make a comment like this and then expect respect in return? Respect is earned. You'll get none from me.

[NESKING2]

You make a comment like this and then expect respect in return? Respect is earned. You'll get none from me.

Um you disrespected me before even talking to me making snide comments NOT asking you for it either you GIVE it or don't talk to me UNDERSTOOD ?????

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person who cannot even say their real name gets NO respect from me

[thetedster]

Anyway, back on track of this de-railed thread. I spoke to nesscout yesterday and a few others who work with Speed Demos Archives, and they didn't want to get into too much detail with Twin Galaxies bashing; But they said paying for world records is rediculous.

Essentially it not only tacks on a fee for players, but anyone who doesn't have the tools to do it their way it eliminates immediately.

I ranted about this before in the Champow and Cat Despira thread, and all of the livestream players agree with me.

Ted

[Kugyince]

This thread. I love it.

Best. Thread. Ever.

Sorry NT.

[TodayIsForgotten]

It's clear that NES and possibly Fellowroot are just trolls. I watched these antics on the 360 when i was still playing there. People would post with blinders on. Refusing to acknowledge what you said and would just fuel the thread with their fuel.

Then when they challenged you and you put up a score or a runthrough they were nowhere to be found. Making up excuses along the way.

So i will leave this thread with some things that NES and fellow will so ignorantly ignore, again.

There are no arcades. Games are becoming more about graphics than it is gameplay. Why have i never been approached about being sponsored in my life? You can watch my youtube videos or you can see me on the leaderboards for the 360. Not once.

Why aren't there sites that sponsor people? Why aren't good players on youtube who are known, sponsored?

This isn't 1990 where you're entering $10,000 contests to play thunderforce - a shoot em up nonetheless, one of the least popular genre's. Where are those tourny's now? You will never see such tournaments for old games again.

How many people show up to that california extreme? I would assume less than 100. If you can't comprehend the stats behind this genre...yeah i hear badminton is going to be a multi-billion dollar sport soon. You'll see...

Comparing an aminals life (which people melt over) to WRs for kickstarters? Please, have you seriously lost your mind or are you still trying to get a laugh?

Retro is called retro for a reason.

Usually how the reply will go is about of non-sense and how i dont know what im talking about etc etc. I saved you the reply.

[NESKING2]

It's clear that NES and possibly Fellowroot are just trolls. I watched these antics on the 360 when i was still playing there. People would post with blinders on. Refusing to acknowledge what you said and would just fuel the thread with their fuel.

Then when they challenged you and you put up a score or a runthrough they were nowhere to be found. Making up excuses along the way.

So i will leave this thread with some things that NES and fellow will so ignorantly ignore, again.

There are no arcades. Games are becoming more about graphics than it is gameplay. Why have i never been approached about being sponsored in my life? You can watch my youtube videos or you can see me on the leaderboards for the 360. Not once.

Why aren't there sites that sponsor people? Why aren't good players on youtube who are known, sponsored?

This isn't 1990 where you're entering $10,000 contests to play thunderforce - a shoot em up nonetheless, one of the least popular genre's. Where are those tourny's now? You will never see such tournaments for old games again.

Comparing an aminals life (which people melt over) to WRs for kickstarters? Please, have you seriously lost your mind or are you still trying to get a laugh?

Retro is called retro for a reason.

Usually how the reply will go is about of non-sense and how i dont know what im talking about etc etc. I saved you the reply.


There are plenty of arcades ROLLS eyes and games are about graphics for today's new gamers not the orig sorry

graphics are nice to look at

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It's clear that NES and possibly Fellowroot are just trolls. I watched these antics on the 360 when i was still playing there. People would post with blinders on. Refusing to acknowledge what you said and would just fuel the thread with their fuel.

Then when they challenged you and you put up a score or a runthrough they were nowhere to be found. Making up excuses along the way.

So i will leave this thread with some things that NES and fellow will so ignorantly ignore, again.

There are no arcades. Games are becoming more about graphics than it is gameplay. Why have i never been approached about being sponsored in my life? You can watch my youtube videos or you can see me on the leaderboards for the 360. Not once.

Why aren't there sites that sponsor people? Why aren't good players on youtube who are known, sponsored?

This isn't 1990 where you're entering $10,000 contests to play thunderforce - a shoot em up nonetheless, one of the least popular genre's. Where are those tourny's now? You will never see such tournaments for old games again.

How many people show up to that california extreme? I would assume less than 100. If you can't comprehend the stats behind this genre...yeah i hear badminton is going to be a multi-billion dollar sport soon. You'll see...

Comparing an aminals life (which people melt over) to WRs for kickstarters? Please, have you seriously lost your mind or are you still trying to get a laugh?

Retro is called retro for a reason.

Usually how the reply will go is about of non-sense and how i dont know what im talking about etc etc. I saved you the reply.


u must be around 18 because ur logic is asinine

[TodayIsForgotten]

u must be around 18 because ur logic is asinine

Wrong. All you do is reply with none sense. Pick apart my logic with facts.

You are all talk. You are just a handle like the other million out there. No one knows you. No one will ever you know you.

[Fellowroot]

I would give money so that someone could save there loved pet every day of the week. But give you money to submit a MAME score to a meaningless scoreboard when it could be done for free at MARP? No chance.

Tell me if I'm wrong. The only reason you won't submit to MARP is because you don't want people to see you're gameplay?

Since when did the ONLY official video game scoreboard become meaningless?

And actually I have submitted to MARP. Look here...

MAME Action Replay Page (http://replay.marpirc.net/r/afighter)

See that top score, that's mine.

However you are right in the fact that I probably won't submit any more scores for public viewing and I will tell you why.

I am a math and physics major. All I do is solve problems all day long. When I approach video game records I see them as nothing more than problems to solve. My game play is my solution to the problem. If I just post my solutions for everyone to see than other competitive players can simply just copy my solution.

When I first submitted to Twin Galaxies I kept all of my scores open for the public to see, but then later on I was beaten by other players who then locked their inps so that I could not see their game play.

When the scores aren't so high then its really not that hard to beat someone else who has beaten you, but when several players are pushing themselves to their limits on a game then it starts getting very competitive.

For example on the MAME game named I'm Sorry. I have been competing against Clay Karczewski in many back and forth battles on this title. As a result the score on this game is getting pushed higher and higher and therefore its getting harder and harder to put up these scores.

Twin Galaxies | Scores (http://www.twingalaxies.com/operator.php?gameid=5932&platformid=46&variationid=21146)

I had my original inp open for public download and then Clay beat me and locked his inp over mine. For all I know he is using some of my original strategies on this game against me.

Now I have since developed even more complicated and better strategies while trying to beat his score and now do you really think that I'm going to just give away all of my secrets especially to my competitor? HELL NO!

It is easy for people to just say "get your score back", but when you are a real video game competitor playing against real competition, it is easier said then done. These video game world records are sometimes very hard to do.

In all honesty it really does not make any logical sense to release your game play footage to the public. Anything you release will only just be used against you. If you want to stay on top then you show no one.

[Dudebro]

I'm locking this topic for a bit so people can calm down. If this continues when it gets reopened we'll have to start handing out infractions and suspensions. I don't think we need to do that but I've been wrong before.

@NesKing2- You are the cause of this bickering. You're gonna start being respectful or you're gonna find somewhere else to rant. I've warned you several times and I've tried to explain what you're doing wrong. I'm done, get with the program or get lost.


If anyone has any questions, comments or rants feel free to PM me.

---------- Post added 04-26-2013 at 03:15 PM ---------- Previous post was 04-25-2013 at 01:44 PM ----------

Ok I'm reopening this. Lets keep the discussion civil and on topic. If anyone has trouble with that I will be dealing with them directly, no more warnings.

[Kugyince]

http://www.retrouprising.com/img/2013_04/2223.jpg

[Dudebro]

That's actually on topic, both of them are named Galaxies. They're twins but the guy on the left got a little fat and grew a mustache.

[pacwhiz]

LoL @ Tenser's pic/text :P

Since when did the ONLY official video game scoreboard become meaningless?
Are you Eric S.?
Do you really stand by that question?

That scoreboard became meaningless since TG(I):
1. failed to deal with all the glaring scoreboard issues (impossible scores, wrong tracks, mixed tracks, etc);
2. failed to support their volunteer staff and got so backlogged that countless (w)records were never entered into the database;
3. blocked the PUBLIC scores FROM.THE.PUBLIC (i.e. those without TG usernames);
4. became an entirely for-profit organization;
5. now charges montrous fees to (try to!) expand the scoreboard.
6. has created a situation that for the most part will only stimulate USA and possibly Canadian players (who are able to attend live events more easily/readily), to put arcade scores up on the scoreboard without having to pay fees (yes i know traveling costs a lot too, but that's not relevant to the issue).

However you are right in the fact that I probably won't submit any more scores for public viewing and I will tell you why. Regardless of the reasons you gave here (although i do understand them), you are/were contributing to the exact reason that the TG(I) scoreboard became gradually more defunct. You are looking at it subjectively and not objectively. If players are not submitting their very best scores due to fear or worries of getting beat back again, scoreboard will NOT reflect any official level of anything! And now that the fees have reached preposterous heights, TG is further contributing to its own inevitable downfall. At least where the scoreboard is concerned. Better to start calling it "a collection of random scores from when TG was still doing okay".

I had my original inp open for public download and then Clay beat me and locked his inp over mine. For all I know he is using some of my original strategies on this game against me. This is unsporting of Clay, nevertheless your reasoning is flawed - how can he 'use your strategies against you', at most his score would then be equal to yours and you would have to put in more effort (as is the case in any competition anyway) to progress higher. If his score exceeds yours, then he is more efficient at using strategies, even if you're the one who developed them.

It is easy for people to just say "get your score back", but when you are a real video game competitor playing against real competition, it is easier said then done. These video game world records are sometimes very hard to do. Fair point. Especially when you have a wide range of games you excel at such as yourself. I still feel strongly that hiding gameplay is not the (best) solution. It may solve your own leaderboard issues, but is detrimental to gaming as a whole. Are you here at RU to put in your 3rd best effort on games as well so that others can't see your newest strategies?

In all honesty it really does not make any logical sense to release your game play footage to the public. Anything you release will only just be used against you. If you want to stay on top then you show no one.
And to me, it does not make logical sense to hide your gameplay. I would welcome a challenge to have my own gameplay 'used against me', awesome! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. If you want to be the absolute best at a game, you want people including your closest competitor(s), to be able to SEE your actual gameplay and STILL not be able to top your scores! THAT is imo what equates to being at the top of the tree, not hiding strategies and sitting there hoping someone else doesn't develop better ones!

Aart

[NESKING2]

[QUOTE=pacwhiz;253372]LoL @ Tenser's pic/text :P


Are you Eric S.?
Do you really stand by that question?

That scoreboard became meaningless since TG(I):
1. failed to deal with all the glaring scoreboard issues AGREED (impossible scores, wrong tracks, mixed tracks, etc); AGREED
2. failed to support their volunteer staff and got so backlogged that countless (w)records were never entered into the database; DISAGREED STILL TO THIS DAY MANY DEADBEAT REFS
3. blocked the PUBLIC scores FROM.THE.PUBLIC (i.e. those without TG usernames); AGREED
4. became an entirely for-profit organization; AGREED
5. now charges montrous fees to (try to!) expand the scoreboard.AGREED
6. has created a situation that for the most part will only
SOMEWHAT AGREED

---------- Post added at 10:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 AM ----------

Not to mention TG board and staff are completely BIAS and favor certain people

---------- Post added at 10:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 AM ----------

And to me, it does not make logical sense to hide your gameplay. I would welcome a challenge to have my own gameplay 'used against me', awesome! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. If you want to be the absolute best at a game, you want people including your closest competitor(s), to be able to SEE your actual gameplay and STILL not be able to top your scores! THAT is imo what equates to being at the top of the tree, not hiding strategies and sitting there hoping someone else doesn't develop better ones!

Aart


Aart I see Fellow point console games tactics are FAR different than arcade see many arcade games like DK, Pacman etc have one pattern and one board and SOME consoles do too, BUT many don't and we had and still prob have corrupt refs and we know we have corrupt players like Ryan Sullivan, Tom Duncan and several others....

And if someone is good enough LIKE myself and I see your game play REGARDLESS of the game I will and if I want to be able to duplicate and beat the run or points.....

That was how I trained getting better before I discovered things that I KNOW nobody else KNOWS on quite a few games and that is why many of my scores stood and will continue to stand for some time and some FOREVER minus the maxouts

---------- Post added at 10:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:49 AM ----------

If its something I did that can only be duplicated or something I know I can beat back forever Ill post it, I soon have one coming but wont reveal till its done but it's close and when it's done it will be next to IMPOSSIBLE to even tie.......

---------- Post added at 10:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 AM ----------

I do however have supporters and friends who see it the same way as you do as well though!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Barra]

My reputation to Aart's post should be "you nailed it"

[NESKING2]

For the record Had it not been for Eric Shaffer, the Home Alone case and corrupt Patrick Scott Pattersons ways may have never been revealed.....

Even though I always knew the score was maxed legit the first time

---------- Post added at 11:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 AM ----------

Not to mention and MANY will back me up with it being 2013 there are things worse than Game Genie used EMU's are a big issue because so many things can be done, Lag free systems, camera tricks and edits, special controllers, and so much more making it so ANYONE can cheat and do whatever to get in the book or be in the spotlight............

I have asked TG and others over 100 times when are Tom Duncans bogus scores gonna be removed

Ryan Sullivans and Grace Snokes scandalous scores she verified for him and placing him in Guinness 17 times or more including a FAKE score I proved live.....

Why did they bring David Nelson back

The list goes on and on

[Dudebro]

If you're too afraid to post your gameplay video then your score is lame. If you can't be confident in your score then it's probably not the best it can be. A high score isn't impressive if you only keep it by hiding the relevant info from people. A high score should stand based on the users skill.

[NESKING2]

WHEN we start getting paid YEAH anyone can see it till than MY skill AND work is MORE Valuable than just giving it away for FREE any longer

[Dudebro]

You're entitled to your own opinion of course. I just think that hiding your gameplay isn't something a true champion would do. It sounds more like desperation.

[Slime Slayer]

You're entitled to your own opinion of course. I just think that hiding your gameplay isn't something a true champion would do. It sounds more like desperation.
Right, it's cut and dry, either you are the best player or you are not.

[thetedster]

LoL @ Tenser's pic/text :P


Are you Eric S.?
Do you really stand by that question?

That scoreboard became meaningless since TG(I):
1. failed to deal with all the glaring scoreboard issues (impossible scores, wrong tracks, mixed tracks, etc);
2. failed to support their volunteer staff and got so backlogged that countless (w)records were never entered into the database;
3. blocked the PUBLIC scores FROM.THE.PUBLIC (i.e. those without TG usernames);
4. became an entirely for-profit organization;
5. now charges montrous fees to (try to!) expand the scoreboard.
6. has created a situation that for the most part will only stimulate USA and possibly Canadian players (who are able to attend live events more easily/readily), to put arcade scores up on the scoreboard without having to pay fees (yes i know traveling costs a lot too, but that's not relevant to the issue).

Regardless of the reasons you gave here (although i do understand them), you are/were contributing to the exact reason that the TG(I) scoreboard became gradually more defunct. You are looking at it subjectively and not objectively. If players are not submitting their very best scores due to fear or worries of getting beat back again, scoreboard will NOT reflect any official level of anything! And now that the fees have reached preposterous heights, TG is further contributing to its own inevitable downfall. At least where the scoreboard is concerned. Better to start calling it "a collection of random scores from when TG was still doing okay".

This is unsporting of Clay, nevertheless your reasoning is flawed - how can he 'use your strategies against you', at most his score would then be equal to yours and you would have to put in more effort (as is the case in any competition anyway) to progress higher. If his score exceeds yours, then he is more efficient at using strategies, even if you're the one who developed them.

Fair point. Especially when you have a wide range of games you excel at such as yourself. I still feel strongly that hiding gameplay is not the (best) solution. It may solve your own leaderboard issues, but is detrimental to gaming as a whole. Are you here at RU to put in your 3rd best effort on games as well so that others can't see your newest strategies?


And to me, it does not make logical sense to hide your gameplay. I would welcome a challenge to have my own gameplay 'used against me', awesome! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. If you want to be the absolute best at a game, you want people including your closest competitor(s), to be able to SEE your actual gameplay and STILL not be able to top your scores! THAT is imo what equates to being at the top of the tree, not hiding strategies and sitting there hoping someone else doesn't develop better ones!

Aart



If you don't mind me butting in for a second, the best example to excelled gameplay in world record attempts is the NES game Gimmick.

Go search it, and see if you can bat the game, with all of the items, without a continue.

A guy has the world record, and is ahead of everyone by a full minute. His record hasn't been challenged because the guy is literally the Bruce Lee of Gimmick, and watching him play the game is like watching an art form.

There are going to be scores that people will not be able to duplicate. either because of RNG (Random Number Generation) or simply by luck. Technique and skill have plenty to do with it, but some world records just simply are based on either complete mastery of the game, or just dumb luck.

(I have the world record technically as per TG on Street Fighter Alpha on SNES, complete RNG luck, if you watched it, you would agree with me)

From what I've seen from the younger WR community, they share their work, and love the competition between themselves. Most of them are not pompous or withstanding of their records, and even generate followers and fans through streaming. Hell, even when I hit really big scores and people ask me what my strategies are, I give them to the people. What do I care if someone beats a score I have? I know I did something great, and I got a very large score and pushed someones motivation to beat something I created.

In short, don't be offended when someone decides to try to beat your world record. Not only are they trying to compete with you, but winning a race with yourself not only looks stupid but is a complete waste of your time.