retro arcade games much more challenging

[085jay1991]

i love arcade games so much the older games are so much harder like most the games now that are out for all the new consoles 90% of them follow a strict story-line where u cant go wrong tells u how to do everything along the way even gives u strategys any body can really follow and complete those games i dont see what major skills you need to play them but arcade games thats what i think is full of skill and strategy like take donkey kong for instance the first one like i remember when i first played that when i got to the first rivet stage i went up the top like all the other levels and nothing happened i was left wondering what to do if that was the games nowadays a big warning would have came up saying u must release all the rivets to pass the level the timing and thinking u needed for dk, dk jr. pac man ect. was unreal i can spend days playing the old games and still being stuck half way through, wi the new games i havin met a game i couldnt master in two days max not one game obviously there is games that would take longer im just saying all the times i played and thousands of games i have played not one has taking me over two days, the fact remains that they just dont make em like they use too , anyone agree or disagree id love to hear otheres opinions on this

[Demon-Mask]

Welcome to RU, Jay. May I call you Jay?
I both agree and disagree with you. Some games are not linear at all these days, and others are painfully linear.
Some games are extremely easy these days, and others are absurdly difficult.

You can't just say all of games today are painfully linear and extremely easy.

It's like saying all arcade games are overly simplistic and shallow, or all PC games have convoluted, broken controls.

[Kong]

I don't think it is fair to compare the challenge of arcade games with console games of any era. You should be just comparing consoles to consoles.

Example NES vs Wii.

And I bet the average NES game is much more difficult than the average Wii game.

[Dudebro]

And I bet the average NES game is much more difficult than the average Wii game.
The only thing difficult about Wii games is the controls. NES has it beat by a mile.

[Demon-Mask]

And I bet the average NES game is much more difficult than the average Wii game.
The average NES game is more difficult, barring iffy motion controls.
But, some NES games are laughably easy and some Wii games are pretty difficult.

[RU Joe]

Hi 085Jay1991, and welcome to RU, the best site on the net!

I think game difficulty begins with the Gamer themselves, within their own individual strengths and weaknesses.
For example, some people have more patience, some better eye - hand coordination, some better attention to detail, and yet others have phenomenal reflexes.
And then there's Gamers like myself.

Seriously though, what I mean is that I think difficulty is an individual thing.
I would guess that our own High Score Champions Elrod21, Winnebagel, and Dojah may consider some games on RU to be easy, and from their point of view that may be so, given their Gaming ability.
Gamers like myself would probably consider those same games to be quite challenging.

I mean this in a general sense, of course.
For instance, Haunted Castle (http://retrouprising.com/game-menu/game/5519/) » Coin Op (http://retrouprising.com/game-menu/coin-op/) , I can't get past the first level, so there are genuinely difficult games as well to be sure.
Concerning the newer games I find there to be quite a wide variety of difficulty, {not including the current generation of consoles} but to compare them to the classic 2D retro games is like comparing apples to oranges, in my opinion.
Hard to put into words.

[085jay1991]

i stand by my arguemant ps3 , 360 , wii , everything i have played two days max theres barely any nes snes sega coin op games that i can even complete in that time maybe some zeldas and mega man but like not that many im honestly saying all those new consoles its not challenging its merely getting to the end thats all

[Dudebro]

I think you're missing one part of modern gaming, multiplayer. Single player games are not the focus of the industry anymore so they get less attention. I think that's why they're getting easier, companies don't wanna risk people getting frustrated with the difficulty and going to play something else. There's lots of difficult multiplayer games because that's the focus of the industry atm.

[Demon-Mask]

i stand by my arguemant ps3 , 360 , wii , everything i have played two days max theres barely any nes snes sega coin op games that i can even complete in that time maybe some zeldas and mega man but like not that many im honestly saying all those new consoles its not challenging its merely getting to the end thats all
Easy is not necessarily bad, as DB says, the focus of the industry these days is multiplayer, single player is basically a tutorial for multiplayer anymore. At least in games like Call of Duty. Nothing wrong with that, a primarily multiplayer game doesn't need a strong single player.
Have you played Yakuza 3/4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Baroque or God of War 3? I've been told those are somewhat difficult. I am a generation behind in consoles and, I've found some quite difficult games on the PS2.

[085jay1991]

Easy is not necessarily bad, as DB says, the focus of the industry these days is multiplayer, single player is basically a tutorial for multiplayer anymore. At least in games like Call of Duty. Nothing wrong with that, a primarily multiplayer game doesn't need a strong single player.
Have you played Yakuza 3/4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Baroque or God of War 3? I've been told those are somewhat difficult. I am a generation behind in consoles and, I've found some quite difficult games on the PS2.

i have mastered all those games except yakuza 3/4 i aint played that , as these games are more difficult than most they are still no challenge in my eyes although i do agree the focus these days is all about multiplayer which is all fine but the fact that you need to play online just for the "right" experience is not good like first off you must have online access and with 360 you have to pay your membership to xbox live i miss the days when you played the games at home and always got the "right" or intended experience ill forever be a gamer of the oldies id give up crystal clear graffics enticing storylines and online multiplayer for the pure challenge of the old games anyday

[Josephjo]

The biggest point IMO is that the older games mentioned in the original post were coin ops. They were designed to be difficult as it meant the player parted with another quarter if he/she wanted another game. Console games don't necessarily need this level of difficulty as you've already bought the game outright and don't need to continuously pay to play another game.

[coolkey]

i like all these classics but have you tried bubble symphony its not on here but you can buy it on tatio ledgends 2

[Seahawk]

Bubble Symphony is also called Bubble Bobble II in some places.

Retro Uprising - Arcade - Bubble Bobble 2 (http://retrouprising.com/game-menu/game/5045/)

[085jay1991]

The biggest point IMO is that the older games mentioned in the original post were coin ops. They were designed to be difficult as it meant the player parted with another quarter if he/she wanted another game. Console games don't necessarily need this level of difficulty as you've already bought the game outright and don't need to continuously pay to play another game.

yes that is true of coin opp but by oldies im including nes/snes sega like megaman x 2 is more dificult than half the games that are out now and megaman x 2 is a pretty standard game , super ghouls and ghosts very hard theres too many to mention and put in comparrison with the new age cames difficulty and skill just doesn compare

[Demon-Mask]

i have mastered all those games except yakuza 3/4 i aint played that , as these games are more difficult than most they are still no challenge in my eyes although i do agree the focus these days is all about multiplayer which is all fine but the fact that you need to play online just for the "right" experience is not good like first off you must have online access and with 360 you have to pay your membership to xbox live i miss the days when you played the games at home and always got the "right" or intended experience ill forever be a gamer of the oldies id give up crystal clear graffics enticing storylines and online multiplayer for the pure challenge of the old games anyday
I prefer single player games because I have very few friends with whom to play video games.
That said, I'm one generation behind in consoles so, I don't mind.
You've really played Baroque?

[085jay1991]

ya on ps2 why what are you talking about

[splatglobe 95]

are games really that challening?:smirk: because i need to know about this.:act-up:

[085jay1991]

are games really that challening?:smirk: because i need to know about this.:act-up:

i suppose its everyones opinion for themselves lol

[Demon-Mask]

ya on ps2 why what are you talking about
Yeah, that one.
It gets difficult later on, or on later cycles/playthroughs.
Not a particularly easy game in the first place. Not painfully hard or frustrating though.

[bearhawk72]

As said before, coin-ops are intentionally hard to keep people pumping quarters into them.

NES games were hard(the ones designed to be hard) mainly because there were no saves(aside from RPG's), and most are fairly short. They wanted to keep people interested and playing them longer. Once you know how to beat them and when and where everything is in every stage the difficulty disappears(for most games)

A lot of console games would be considered much harder than they are if they all had limited continues and no saving like most old school games did.

[Demon-Mask]

Limited continues would make current games much more difficult.

[bearhawk72]

Limited continues would make current games much more difficult.
Yeah. There is no real penalty for dying anymore in most cases. Now it's you die, pick right up at the last checkpoint or save point and keep on trucking as many times as you need. Not like back in the day where 1 hit killed you and then you start the game over again.

[Demon-Mask]

Metal Slug 7/XX had an option to have limited continues. It was on-par difficulty-wise with any of the other Metal Slug games.

[Seahawk]

New games can be just as hard, but they choose not to be. People wouldn't buy them.

Here's a challenge: On any modern game, limit yourself to 5 lives. Once you die five times, reset the game and delete your file. I guarantee you will see a giant step up in difficulty of any game.

Difficulty used to be more of a limitation of technology than anything. That and the necessity for coin op games to be hard to make any revenue.

Oh, and here you go, it's Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu, a modern 360 shooting game.

Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu 1.5 C-Strong Ura 2-ALL Loop 2 - 2/2 - YouTube

[elrod21]

Now that is the definition of Bullet Hell.

[Seahawk]

Radiant Silvergun comes out today on Xbox Live Arcade, make sure you get it for more shooting fun and boss mania =D.

[Incubator]

That's the difficulty level you have to program if you want to satisfy japanese gamers :D

[Seahawk]

It's not a Japenese person playing.

Play shooting games long enough and you develop an elevated consciousness that requires that many bullets to not get bored =P.