Team Fortress 2 is now Free

[bearhawk72]

Valve has released Team Fortress 2 as free to play for everyone. Just go onto the steam store and download it.

It is 10GB in size


RU Steam names-

Dudebro

Bearhawk72

FrigidMcThunderballs
BlueShoe2

Paul

[Dudebro]

Really, what's the catch?

[bearhawk72]

Really, what's the catch?
Nothing. They have a store in game now so it's microtransaction based.

Valve also said sales had dwindled so low after 4 years that they had 3 options:
1)Start building a brand new game
2)Release expansions for a price
3)Rely on the microstransactions and release it free for everyone

They chose 3.

[Dudebro]

Sad they didn't go with 1. Unless they meant "new" like the console new games, old stuff redone to death.

I'll check it out. I have TF2 on 360 but I hear the PC version is much much better.

[bearhawk72]

Sad they didn't go with 1. Unless they meant "new" like the console new games, old stuff redone to death.

I'll check it out. I have TF2 on 360 but I hear the PC version is much much better.
Well considering TF1 was released in 96 as a mod, and Team Fortress Classic as a stand alone game in 99 it's not surprising they aren't ready to make a Team Fortress 3.

People still play the crap out of TFC on steam

[Dudebro]

I hope this means they'll make a new game, like actually new, since they have time to kill before TF3.

[Mareeps]

How much RAM would you need to play it?

[bearhawk72]

How much RAM would you need to play it?
I think the minimum is
1.7ghz
512ram
128mb video card with pixel shader support

[Dudebro]

Do you need to pay for a steam account? I have an account but it was through Civ5, not sure if that's the same.

[bearhawk72]

Do you need to pay for a steam account? I have an account but it was through Civ5, not sure if that's the same.
Steam accounts are completely free. If you made one through Civ5 you are fine.

You can make one without owning any games that use Steam.

[Dudebro]

Downloading now, seems like it's gonna take a while. I used to play TF a lot on PC and I've played Orange Box quite a bit. I heard this version has more content though, should be awesome. You play this? If so you can add me and I'll be glad to play some TF2.

Btw I notice Champions Online has Steam achievements, would I be able to sign my existing account to steam and got those or am I out of luck? Wish I would've know before I started playing it.


@Alohaex- I just noticed that one of Civilizations expansions features-
Kamehameha I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Slime Slayer]

Good on Valve, I hope this trend continues.

[Dudebro]

You gonna download and get pwned? You know you wanna take a few shots at me. Not that you'd kill me or anything but it'd still be fun to try.

[bearhawk72]

Downloading now, seems like it's gonna take a while. I used to play TF a lot on PC and I've played Orange Box quite a bit. I heard this version has more content though, should be awesome. You play this? If so you can add me and I'll be glad to play some TF2.

Btw I notice Champions Online has Steam achievements, would I be able to sign my existing account to steam and got those or am I out of luck? Wish I would've know before I started playing it.


@Alohaex- I just noticed that one of Civilizations expansions features-
Kamehameha I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I)
I think you have to be playing the game through steam in order to get steam achievements. I don't know if you can transfer the account over.

[Slime Slayer]

You gonna download and get pwned? You know you wanna take a few shots at me. Not that you'd kill me or anything but it'd still be fun to try.
Nah, I can't play on a pc, not only do I stink, I also don't have a mouse. I'll pwn you online in something someday though.

[Dudebro]

I looked around their forum but I didn't see anything about it. I'll make a post in a a day or two about it.

I played last night and it was awesome. The graphics are way better than the 360 version and I didn't know about the item drop system, awesome.

So you don't play it BH?

@Everyone- All you need is an internet connection. This game is free, steam is free and the game is top of the line. We should get a RU clan together and pwn noobs.

@steven- How do you not have a mouse?

[Slime Slayer]

I looked around their forum but I didn't see anything about it. I'll make a post in a a day or two about it.

I played last night and it was awesome. The graphics are way better than the 360 version and I didn't know about the item drop system, awesome.

So you don't play it BH?

@Everyone- All you need is an internet connection. This game is free, steam is free and the game is top of the line. We should get a RU clan together and pwn noobs.

@steven- How do you not have a mouse?

3 laptops, no pc's.

[bearhawk72]

I play though I'm not that good.

steam ID is snafu72 but I go by bearhawk72 in game

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Some observations:

They nerfed the medic pretty bad from TFC just by taking away his shotgun.
The demoman and pyro seem to be a lot easier to play with.
The Spy is way too user friendly now. I could never kill anyone as a spy in TFC and on my first run as a spy last night I was stabbing people and sapping sentries with ease.

[Dudebro]

@steven- Pretty sure you can play with the touchpad of a laptop.

@BH- I'll add you tonight. Don't worry about being good, I haven't played in many months and I'm missing shots by miles. The only way I got kills last night was from my sentry gun.

I'm not sure how different those class changes are from the 360 version but either way I bet I'll be fine with it. Btw I used to play Spy constantly in TFC and I used to get tons of kills. They definitely changed how it plays. No more faking death on the ground and no more hallucination grenades. Boo.

[Slime Slayer]

@steven- Pretty sure you can play with the touchpad of a laptop.
I can barely surf the internet with that thing. I generally use my touch screen, I wonder if that would work...

[Demon-Mask]

I really don't think this would work on my PC. If I couldn't run Portal, than chances are this game is not going to work any better.

[Kugyince]

@Everyone- All you need is an internet connection. This game is free, steam is free and the game is top of the line. We should get a RU clan together and pwn noobs.

Is this one of those bad games where you're looking down the barrel of a gun the whole time?

[Dudebro]

Yes it's FPS but it's one of the best ever made. It's got style and a unique feel to it. If you don't like shooting stuff you could play an engineer and build turrets to do it for you. Or be a medic and heal people who do like to shoot stuff. You could even be a scout and just sprint around the map hitting people with your bat.

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Whoever rated me down for that post needs mental help. I was sincerely listing some positives about the game in the hopes that more people might be interested. Doing things together as a group is a lot more fun than solo with strangers.

It's pretty telling that Tenser didn't get rated down for his sarcastic comment though.

[Slime Slayer]

It's pretty telling that Tenser didn't get rated down for his sarcastic comment though.
I hope you don't think it was me...

[Dudebro]

I have no reason to think it's anyone in particular. That's why it's so annoying it's just out of the blue.

[Slime Slayer]

Well when you said it was "telling" it suggested to me that you had a good idea of who it was, I could be wrong but I thought that's what that figure of speech meant.

[Dudebro]

I meant the motive was telling because my completely normal post got rated down and Tensers wasn't despite his obvious sarcasm. It tells me someone has a problem with me but they're too afraid to say anything about it. If it's just trolling then someone needs to get a life.
But either way it doesn't matter. I got 16k + posts and only 29 rate downs so I'm obviously doing something right.


So back to the topic, this game is awesome. I'm disappointed more of you aren't interested. All you need is an internet connection and you can play one of the best FPS ever made. For anyone who isn't familiar with the series it's very lighthearted and casual friendly. If you're a noob you'll do fine, just point and shoot. If you're good then there's lots of fun stuff to keep you interested and challenged.

[bearhawk72]

I would like to give some advice to anyone wishing to play medic:

1)You can't kill crap, your role is support(I mean don't go looking for combat but by all means defend yourself if necessary)
2) Don't bother healing engineers. They have dispensers around to heal themselves
3) Basically you want to be stuck like glue to either the Heavy, Soldier, or Demoman. A good medic+Heavy combo will absolutely own the opposition.

[Dudebro]

Medics can be surprisingly good in a fight. That high rate of fire on their gun is annoying and it chips away at your health pretty quickly. Plus people tend to underestimate them and assume they aren't gonna throw down.

As someone who plays engineer a lot I have to disagree. Yeah if you see a hurt medic near his equipment don't bother but if he's in the enemy base or otherwise engaged he'll probably really appreciate that refill. Plus if you're a medic without a tank to heal you might as well use the engineer until one shows up, their shotgun can put people down pretty quick too.

It is pretty hard to kill that combo but if the guy is smart he'll be shooting at the medic first to stop the healing. Don't just stick like glue, hide behind them.

[bearhawk72]

Medics can be surprisingly good in a fight. That high rate of fire on their gun is annoying and it chips away at your health pretty quickly. Plus people tend to underestimate them and assume they aren't gonna throw down.

As someone who plays engineer a lot I have to disagree. Yeah if you see a hurt medic near his equipment don't bother but if he's in the enemy base or otherwise engaged he'll probably really appreciate that refill. Plus if you're a medic without a tank to heal you might as well use the engineer until one shows up, their shotgun can put people down pretty quick too.

It is pretty hard to kill that combo but if the guy is smart he'll be shooting at the medic first to stop the healing. Don't just stick like glue, hide behind them.
I should have been more specific. Heal anyone who needs it if they're out in the battle. However, I see a lot of medics healing people who don't need it(engineers building close to spawn) or just going about it all wrong.

It was more of a rant because I was playing Heavy out of necessity(I try to assess what the team needs and adapt to that) and the medic would not come with me, just kept healing engineers who were building right outside the spawn and surrounded by dispensers

[Dudebro]

It was probably someone who's not familiar with the game. Anyone who knows the deal wouldn't be wasting their healing on people who don't need it. Or, could just be the medic was friends with the engineer.

My advice for new people is to not play medic right away. It's very much a support job and it takes a good amount of skill to use effectively. It's like the spy, don't bother if you don't know the game well.

Btw awesome avatar on Steam BH, what's the name of that character again? I know it's from Neverending story but it's been a while.

[bearhawk72]

It was probably someone who's not familiar with the game. Anyone who knows the deal wouldn't be wasting their healing on people who don't need it. Or, could just be the medic was friends with the engineer.

My advice for new people is to not play medic right away. It's very much a support job and it takes a good amount of skill to use effectively. It's like the spy, don't bother if you don't know the game well.

Btw awesome avatar on Steam BH, what's the name of that character again? I know it's from Neverending story but it's been a while.
G'Mork

[Dudebro]

He's a good character, just patient and sinister. My favorite is the Rock Biter though. He's so tragic.
YouTube - ‪Rock Biter‬‏


Btw how does voice chat work with steam and TF2? I'm not really into chit chatting with people but it can be good sometimes, beats typing when you're fighting.

[bearhawk72]

He's a good character, just patient and sinister. My favorite is the Rock Biter though. He's so tragic.
YouTube - ‪Rock Biter‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0VxGRWPh28)


Btw how does voice chat work with steam and TF2? I'm not really into chit chatting with people but it can be good sometimes, beats typing when you're fighting.
I think it's press V.

Rockbiter is cool, too bad they screwed him over in 2 and 3.(If you've never seen him in 3 google it. You'll want to cry.

[Dudebro]

V is voice, U is for team chat and Y is for general chat.

Btw that was you who joined my game with the name BearHawk right? If so that was cool when I healed you as we steamrolled over the other team. After you left though I had two games in a row where I did unbelievably good. One game I died once the next I was 25 and 3, both as Engineer. Those moron spies couldn't stop me, I was shooting shadows and dominating them. They couldn't touch the flag when I was there. ;)

[bearhawk72]

V is voice, U is for team chat and Y is for general chat.

Btw that was you who joined my game with the name BearHawk right? If so that was cool when I healed you as we steamrolled over the other team. After you left though I had two games in a row where I did unbelievably good. One game I died once the next I was 25 and 3, both as Engineer. Those moron spies couldn't stop me, I was shooting shadows and dominating them. They couldn't touch the flag when I was there. ;)
Yeah, that was me. I also was healing you while a pyro was lighting you on fire

I was switching classes a lot based on what I thought the team needed at the time and I even captured the intel as a Heavy with you in tow healing:clap:

Then I found the Eyelander which is basically a giant claymore for the demoman and ran around trying to kill people with it... I got one person...apparently running straight at people with only a claymore as a weapon doesn't work:at-wits-end::q

I also found a Mann Co. Store Crate, but they want me to pay $2.50 for a key to open, not gonna happen.

[Dudebro]

I have a hard time noticing teammates because I'm too busy shooting them in case they're spies.

Usually I like to switch classes usually but I get stuck on engineer a lot because it's so much fun. I love busting the same spies over and over again. You'd think they'd learn right?

I've seen that broadsword looking thing, never seen it used though. I got a bunch of items tonight but only a couple were good. The best seems to be a crossbow for the medic that shoots healing/damaging bolts depending on who it hits.

I read about the crates and they seem to be worthless. People were saying you'd be lucky if someone traded like 8 crates for a crafting material. If you still got tons of room I guess it can't hurt to hold on to it just in case.

[bearhawk72]

Apparently there are a couple of differences between the "free" and "premium" versions on the game

Free Users(Premium user in quotes)

Backpack: 50 slots(300 slots)
Item drops: Standard(Standard, Rare, & Cosmetic)
Crafting: Limited blueprints(All Blueprints)
Trading: Can only receive trades(Full trading)
Gifting:Can only receive gifts (Give & Receive)

Purchasing anything from the store makes you a premium user.

[Dudebro]

I read about that but honestly it doesn't bother me at all. The free version is the full game. Seems kinda pointless to pay any money unless you really like the gear you can get.

Btw would buying the retail version for like 20 bucks make me a premium member? I'd do that before I enter in a CC number. I have no problem with Steam but I'm paranoid like that.

[bearhawk72]

I read about that but honestly it doesn't bother me at all. The free version is the full game. Seems kinda pointless to pay any money unless you really like the gear you can get.

Btw would buying the retail version for like 20 bucks make me a premium member? I'd do that before I enter in a CC number. I have no problem with Steam but I'm paranoid like that.
Hmm, possibly. You'd have to enter the CD key into steam but it should probably work.

[Dudebro]

Btw I forgot to mention that I'm completely addicted to this game now. I could play it all day long if it wasn't for having to eat and sleep. At first I was a little shaky but now I'm breaking people up and down the maps. I'm really not trying to brag at all but I've been leading teams on maps I've never even played before. It does help that I've been playing TF since classic though, it's the same gameplay.

Btw I tried to join your games last night BH but you kept leaving, trying to dodge me? :( That one server that played classical music was pretty interesting right?

[bearhawk72]

Btw I forgot to mention that I'm completely addicted to this game now. I could play it all day long if it wasn't for having to eat and sleep. At first I was a little shaky but now I'm breaking people up and down the maps. I'm really not trying to brag at all but I've been leading teams on maps I've never even played before. It does help that I've been playing TF since classic though, it's the same gameplay.

Btw I tried to join your games last night BH but you kept leaving, trying to dodge me? :( That one server that played classical music was pretty interesting right?
Haha, naw. I was running into a bunch of servers where my ping was way too high and I was lagging.

[Dudebro]

I was wondering about that, lower is better then? Been a while since I've played multiplayer games on PC.

[bearhawk72]

I was wondering about that, lower is better then? Been a while since I've played multiplayer games on PC.
Indeed

[Dudebro]

So how do you change your Steam avatar to something custom? It won't let me just browse my desktop(as far as I can tell), where do I need to have the picture? Also how do I change my spray tag thing? Sorry for the questions but no one answers this kind of thing mid game.

[DrunkN]

Well, this is an annoyingly pleasant surprise, I should have chose something else as a birthday present. Oh well, this is still awesome news.

I should hunt for a computer that can actually run this, since the laptop I use now is pretty crappy.

[bearhawk72]

So how do you change your Steam avatar to something custom? It won't let me just browse my desktop(as far as I can tell), where do I need to have the picture? Also how do I change my spray tag thing? Sorry for the questions but no one answers this kind of thing mid game.
I changed my avatar long ago, I'll look into it.

[DrunkN]

Sorry for the questions but no one answers this kind of thing mid game.


You ask people these questions mid-game? How noobish. I say you deserve no answer.

But I would try going into options in the main menu screen for whatever steam game you are playing. (for spray tag, I mean)

[bearhawk72]

To change avatar:

Once in Steam

Community>Edit Profile

Scroll down to the Avatar section. Underneath it should be an option to choose file(I could access desktop and my hdd that way)

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To change spray with a custom one

TF2 Spray Creation TUT (http://www.d3scene.com/forum/team-fortress-2-forum/8105-tf2-spray-creation-tut.html)

[Dudebro]

@DN- I haven't asked these questions specifically. I mean people don't really talk in chat and they certainly wouldn't be entertaining such noob questions. Obviously some people will answer, like me, but that's not common from what I can tell.

@BH- I know how to find the avatar option but when I try to upload my own I'm not finding my pics folder. I'll have to mess around with it some more.

The spray thing worked, but I just used some basic editing program that came with my PC instead of Photoshop. I think it worked out ok though-
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h293/unyobroyo/TF2screenshot.png

[bearhawk72]

Dudebro and I were just duking it out. He owned me a lot with his sentries and shotgun but I got him a couple times with my flamethrower and crushed his head once with my mallet thing

I'm sure I annoyed him taking out some of his sentries and dispensers. If my team wasn't so stupid I don't think he'd have killed me as much...they just decided to pretend his sentries didn't exist and get us pinned in our base.

[Dudebro]

This should've been playing while I was dominating you guys-
YouTube - ‪MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This‬‏

I feel bad though, most of my kills on you were due to revenge criticals. I have the shotgun that gives me a critical hit for every kill my sentry gets, after it's destroyed or I move it. That stacks if I don't die too. At one point I was swimming around with ten criticals waiting, devastating.

Btw when you joined the game earlier and played medic you really broke up our engineer dominance. Up until you backed those guys up they couldn't touch this, for reals. My brother sumostomp was playing engineer with me so we had some good coordination going on. Good job steamrolling us. :(

[bearhawk72]

This should've been playing while I was dominating you guys-
YouTube - ‪MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo)

I feel bad though, most of my kills on you were due to revenge criticals. I have the shotgun that gives me a critical hit for every kill it gets. That stacks if I don't die too. At one point I was swimming around with ten criticals waiting, devastating.

Btw when you joined the game earlier and played medic you really broke up our engineer dominance. Up until you backed those guys up they couldn't touch this, for reals. My brother sumostomp was playing engineer with me so we had some good coordination going on. Good job steamrolling us. :(
I knew you had crits ready and waiting. But I was trying to get to your sentries hoping you were not around to make it easier for the team. It appeared I was the only one who even entertained that idea.

As a pyro running through the main entrance is a bit of a risk and the water path is usually easier because then you can ambush people if you make it to the enemy base.

IT didn't hurt there were like 2 heavies for me to fall in behind:pBut then for some reason they all switched classes and stopped attacking. I don't quite understand some people. It's ctf, your kill/death ratio doesn't matter. Someone needs to go in there and weaken defenses but a lot of people don't quite grasp that concept.

[Dudebro]

Well they did try to stop us with lots of spies but we shut that down fast. One guy even raged in general chat about how we keep detecting him. I just told him "I shoot at everyone" which is true. I also got one guy to quit by doing that mobile sentry thing I was doing to you. He was a heavy and he kept killing me but not my gun, it would finish him. After several times of that he finally raged in chat and left. I felt bad but I laughed.

Seems like a lot of new players because it's free to play. Some servers you can tell most people have been playing a while. I'm new to it but I've got lots of experience from other versions.

[bearhawk72]

I read online some servers are running a script to detect if you are using a free version and keeping you off their servers. That's going just a little too far.

If you've played TFC in the past there really isn't much of a learning curve, other than the maps. there are a few minor differences in how the classes work now but they are quickly learned.

[Dudebro]

Yeah I read about those elitist servers too, their loss. Anyone who doesn't welcome new players to the game they love is a fool. At the very least it's just easy kills until the newbs learn the ropes.

I used to play TF1 a lot, like way more than I should've. TF2 is the same game but with some tweaks. One thing I hate is how they removed grenades from all the classes except demoman, but I understand why.

[Mareeps]

I'm trying to download it, but when I try to install it and i open steam, I get an error.

[bearhawk72]

I'm trying to download it, but when I try to install it and i open steam, I get an error.
I'm confused. You are downloading it outside of steam? Or when you try and run it in steam it doesn't work?

[Dudebro]

Walk us through what you're doing. I downloaded and installed steam/TF2 on two PCs and had no issues.

[bearhawk72]

I made my free copy a premium copy yesterday by spending $.49 on something in the store.

The only problem with that is the minimum you can put in the wallet is $5, but with the store constantly having sales I'll spend the other $4.51 eventually.

[Dudebro]

How did you put the money on your account? I was gonna go out and buy a retail copy but I don't wanna rebuy the entire orange box for 30 bucks.

[bearhawk72]

Sign into steam and on the top right you should see "Dudebro's Account". Click on it and there should be an option to add funds. They only allow you to add funds in $5 increments to your wallet.

However you can buy games and other things in the store for the exact price. TF2 stuff doesn't work like that since you buy it in game, you need funds in your wallet.

[Dudebro]

No I get that part, I mean did you use Paypal or what?

[bearhawk72]

Credit Card, Pay Pal, and JCB and Clickand Buy(whatever those 2 are)

[Dudebro]

Guess I'll eventually just try paypal, I'm in no hurry. What made you decide to upgrade?

[bearhawk72]

Guess I'll eventually just try paypal, I'm in no hurry. What made you decide to upgrade?
There are some games I am considering buying, so I figured I'd put money into the wallet. Plus $.49 is a pretty good deal for the full version of TF2.

I have a few other friends who have the retail version so when they play it'll be nice to be able to trade unneeded items with them.

[Dudebro]

I got my brother into this recently and he's become even more addicted than me. We both agreed that we need to go premium to get the full range of features(like better crafting). In the meantime you can just give me items. ;)

[DrunkN]

I got my brother into this recently and he's become even more addicted than me. We both agreed that we need to go premium to get the full range of features(like better crafting). In the meantime you can just give me items. ;)
Maybe we could get a little group going. To be honest though, I might not really get a chance to get TF2 set up until after Summer.

[bearhawk72]

I got my brother into this recently and he's become even more addicted than me. We both agreed that we need to go premium to get the full range of features(like better crafting). In the meantime you can just give me items. ;)
I doubt I have anything you don't, unless you want scout or spy crap...

Then again I don't think I should give you anything just so you can kill me with it:freaked-out:

[Dudebro]

It's funny how the drop system works. My brother started a few days after me and he already got some really good stuff. But he still hasn't found anything for the medic. One of my first drops was that medic crossbow and now I have like 4-5 different things for them.

Btw you know the achievement based gear is separate right? Like my engineer is loaded with stuff because of it and each piece came after I got an engineer milestone. Supposedly random drop items can happen every half hour or 45 mins btw.

[bearhawk72]

I know. At one point I had 4 blutsaugers. I have achievement weapons for the medic, engineer, pyro, and demoman.

There is a limit to how many random drops you can get in a week. I believe it's somewhere between 8 and 12(It resets sometime on Wednesday night)

At first I kept getting scout and spy things despite the fact I hardly ever use them and never used them at first.

When you go premium you can get rarer weapons and hats and other things or so I read.

[Dudebro]

I read about the limits but some people claim it's not accurate. But I believe because my brother and I both seemed to hit a wall and got no items(besides achievement ones) after playing for hours.

Again the drop system is funny. I got one item for scout and zero for spy from random drops but I actually do play them from time to time.

Btw I'm getting annoyed with one of the achievements. It says to play a complete round with each class, simple enough. But I've been stuck at 8/9 this whole time. It's not a big deal at all but it's annoying because I'm pretty sure I've played each class for a full round. Did you get that one? My brother got it and he said he hasn't even played all of them for a full round and I believe him because he only plays 2fort. :teeth:


@DN- I would love to get a group of RU people together. If we were in the same game we could work together and break the other side. The main problem I'm having now is no coordination with strangers.

[bearhawk72]

I read about the limits but some people claim it's not accurate. But I believe because my brother and I both seemed to hit a wall and got no items(besides achievement ones) after playing for hours.

Again the drop system is funny. I got one item for scout and zero for spy from random drops but I actually do play them from time to time.

Btw I'm getting annoyed with one of the achievements. It says to play a complete round with each class, simple enough. But I've been stuck at 8/9 this whole time. It's not a big deal at all but it's annoying because I'm pretty sure I've played each class for a full round. Did you get that one? My brother got it and he said he hasn't even played all of them for a full round and I believe him because he only plays 2fort. :teeth:


@DN- I would love to get a group of RU people together. If we were in the same game we could work together and break the other side. The main problem I'm having now is no coordination with strangers.
Nope, don't have that one. I haven't played a round as scout or sniper yet.

I don't get how you play engineer so well. Whenever I even try my team just get overrun and I'm lucky to get the sentry built at all

[Dudebro]

I've had lots of practice as engineer. Back in the days of TF1 I used to play it constantly and not a whole lot has changed since then really. It's like riding a bike. It also helps that you only see me playing on 2fort and I know that level like the back of my hand. For some reason everyone loves that map and most play nothing else. When I try other levels people smoke me and I have to switch to other more mobile classes.

If you want a tip I'd say you should play a round as another job and see how things are going. If your team isn't staying in your base at all then it's probably not worth bothering with defensive engineer unless you're prepared to defend against all the spies by yourself(not very fun). If you got some people defending, hopefully a pyro, then you're good to go. Build the gun near your spawn point and move it when it's done. Building it near combat isn't good unless you already have a dispenser waiting.
Also when you get that mini sentry you can go on the offensive like I was doing vs you. It takes like a second to build and only costs 100 metal. When I was doing it I'd destroy it and rebuild it after every kill so the dude couldn't come back and go right for it, as I'm sure you noticed.

[bearhawk72]

Well that last map kinda sucked. I never played it before but I do not like it.

We had that one good run where we got deep into the enemy base though. As a medic I fully expect to constantly get shanked, it's just the way it is. A few times I saw the spy come out of cloak and stab you but there was really no way to warn you or stop it.

I really hate that spies can cloak now. Sure most of the time you can see them if they move(unless they have the dead ringer) but it's way too easy for them to hide anywhere now and camp high traffic areas.

[Dudebro]

That map was horrible really. The main bridge is just ridiculously out in the open and it's made worse by the spy issue. I was trying to play safe but in the area you can really be hit from all angles. The rest of the level seems annoying too.
That one run we did good I really stomped on them. Even after you died I was sitting outside their spawn just mowing them down as they came out. I even got the spies a few times as they tried to stab me. Eventually I died because I don't know the level enough to find health. Dominated like three people and I think I earned you a domination too, right? That made up for the 20 or so backstabs they got me with.

[bearhawk72]

Yeah I think I got a domination while tailing you. I also got an achievement for ubering you eventhough it wasn't how the achievement is worded.(It says I need to join a game you are in and you joined my game) but whatever

[Dudebro]

So have you noticed my spray paint yet?

[bearhawk72]

I think I've seen it

[Dudebro]

I changed it again, I'm sure you'll notice it. ;)

Btw have you tried any of the other free games? I saw a couple MMO types that looked interesting. Free makes it pretty tempting to just d/l and see but I'm still gonna do some research first.

[bearhawk72]

Naw, haven't played anything else that is free. Odds are I can't run them anyways. My computer is old.

[Dudebro]

I just watched some videos and some of these games do look like crap.

Forsaken Worlds- Typical cutesy anime themed rpg with annoying characters. It also has strictly limited jobs, like dwarves can only be marksmen(?!). Lame. But for those who like this sort of thing it does look like it has a lot of content considering it's free.

Spiral Knights- Really looks like it's designed for young kids. Made by the people who made puzzle pirates. I have literally zero interest in it.

Alliance of Valliant Arms- Doesn't look like a bad FPS but it's nothing special either. Good for people with no access to other online FPS games but bad when you consider TF2 is also free and it's epic.

Champions Online: Free for All- I know this one is awesome and I have two characters already. If you or anyone wants to try it out I can help you directly or hook you up with currency to buy stuff.

Global Agenda: Free Agent- This one seems interesting. The combat seems to play like Mass Effect(minus the force powers) in a third person perspective with recon class being able to go first person for sniping. The most appealing part is the rpg elements though. It claims to have some pretty good customization options like a large skill tree and different ways to play. I haven't tried it though so it could be a lot of bs.
YouTube - ‪[HD 1080p] Global Agenda: Free Agent - All classes (Trailer+Gameplay)‬‏

[bearhawk72]

Man, we were 1 kill away from an achievement for 10 kills with a medic without dying(you may already have it but I don't have the medic equivalent)

We got to 9 and I died

[Dudebro]

Nope I don't have that yet. I got 9 kills in a row with you healing me and then later I got 12 or 13(I forget when you died during this run). I ended up getting the cycle achievement for killing people while in the air, on the ground and underwater in one life and the one for killing 10 cloaked spies. I was really steamrolling all of them. I hate to brag but I think I'm getting good with the heavy weapons guy. Of course more than half of that success has been due to you and my brother healing me well. I've had some other good medics but mostly they go out and die instead of letting me absorb the damage. Must be new.

I got the sandvich but it doesn't say exactly what it does. I assume it gives back health but I haven't been able to test it yet.

Btw earlier my brother and I were doing really well and at one point we were both dominating most of the other team. I'm not sure what his looked like but I had 4 out of 6 of them dominated at the same time. Heavy+Medic of course.

I just realized we could've probably recorded that replay and shown these guys. I gotta remember to do that next time we stomp the other team.

[bearhawk72]

Sandvich is a secondary weapon. You eat it to replenish 300 health. While eating you are vulnerable.

You can also drop it to act as a healing device for nearby teammates

[Dudebro]

Yeah I knew you could be killed while doing the eating animation, I've done it many times. Also the very first time I tested it I stepped out of the spawn and while it was going I saw a spy decloak and slowly kill me. :(

Drop it like dropping flag, L, or with right click? I can test it myself but it's easier atm to just ask you ;)

[bearhawk72]

Right click

[Paul]

I have to upgrade right away. There's no room in my inventory to store any new items. I've already deleted my doubles to make room for newer weapons such as the Force-A-Nature, and Jarate. (Bye-bye Natascha)

[Dudebro]

So you've already been playing this for quite some time? I don't have anywhere near a full backpack yet. What's your Steam name? BH and I would love some company while we destroy newbs.

[Paul]

It seems this is the only game I play nowadays. Steam name is (Drum roll) ...Paul.

[Dudebro]

You got the name Paul? Do they allow multiple people to use the same name? If not that's impressive.

Just played and put the hurt on people as a pyro, finally got the flare gun.

[Paul]

They do allow multiple people to get the same name. (Good luck finding me within about 21,000+ users with the name Paul out there)

Oh, and congrats on the flare gun. It's a lot of fun, and it happens to be one of my favorite weapons.

[Dudebro]

Well since every one and their father is named Paul why don't you invite me?

[bearhawk72]

You got the name Paul? Do they allow multiple people to use the same name? If not that's impressive.

Just played and put the hurt on people as a pyro, finally got the flare gun.
Flare gun is fun but can be hard to use at times. However, it's instant crit if the person is already on fire.

You can use it ti kill sentries as well but the reload time makes it kind of rough.

I'm about halfway to earning the achievement for igniting 100 people with the flaregun.

[Dudebro]

Honestly I was just getting to like the pyro shotgun so I might not even stick with the flare gun. I'm deadly with the engineer shotgun and the pyro one seems identical.

[Paul]

Well since every one and their father is named Paul why don't you invite me?
DudeBro showed up 34 results. What does your profile picture look like?

Flare gun is fun but can be hard to use at times. However, it's instant crit if the person is already on fire.

Flare gun is also great for long distances, and if that enemy decides to come too close for comfort use the
Axtinguisher. Damage delt is extra when enemies are on fire.

Honestly I was just getting to like the pyro shotgun so I might not even stick with the flare gun. I'm deadly with the engineer shotgun and the pyro one seems identical.
All primary shotguns that you start off with are the same in all classes. Which include: Pyro, Engineer, Heavy, and Soldier.

[bearhawk72]

Haha, I just got called a spawn camper:angel:

As a pyro I ran into the enemy base on 2fort, killed the engineer building in front of the spawn, proceeded out to the balcony where I killed 2 snipers and chased a 3rd into his spawn and ignited a soldier coming out. For that I got called a spawn camper

[Dudebro]

@Paul - I figured all the shotguns were the same but I don't like to state things as fact unless I know for sure. So either way, the default shotgun is pretty beast.

I'm attaching a picture of my avatar.


@BH- When I was a heavy and my brother was medic we literally had to do laps around the enemy base so we weren't just standing in front of their spawn. Well we didn't have to but I hate the idea of trapping people in the spawn with no way to fight back. People do it to me all the time and it's lame. I'm good but there's not much you can do when a platoon of dudes are aiming at your door as you step out. Sounds like you did fine though.

[Paul]

What a beautiful face. Is that a Chimp, or the former Governer of New York, Eliot Spitzer on Freds face?

Anyway, sadly I still am unable to add anyone. The account I'm currently using is New and it seems that New accounts lack some features.

Btw: I sent you an invite to a group. Hopefully you'll find me, and at the very least add me so we can play together.

[Dudebro]

It seems like you already know who the avatar is. I had to have drunkninja explain it to me. It makes me laugh so I picked it.

My brother couldn't add me until he finished downloading TF2 and actually played it. By the sound of your posts you already played it, is that right? If so I have no idea what's going on with your account.

Btw I saw the invite but I ignored it because I have no idea what it does.

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Paul just informed me that free Steam accounts don't have the ability to send friend invites and some other features. I guess I'm a full member because Steam came bundled when I bought Civ5, happy coincidence.
This isn't a big deal for any of you guys interested in playing TF2. Just let us know what your username is and what your avatar looks like and we can add you.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3330-IAGK-7663

[Paul]

Any luck adding me? God forbid you eventually find me out of all 21,000+ Paul's out there, and It doesn't work.

[bearhawk72]

@Paul - I figured all the shotguns were the same but I don't like to state things as fact unless I know for sure. So either way, the default shotgun is pretty beast.

I'm attaching a picture of my avatar.


@BH- When I was a heavy and my brother was medic we literally had to do laps around the enemy base so we weren't just standing in front of their spawn. Well we didn't have to but I hate the idea of trapping people in the spawn with no way to fight back. People do it to me all the time and it's lame. I'm good but there's not much you can do when a platoon of dudes are aiming at your door as you step out. Sounds like you did fine though.
Yeah, what do they want me to do? If I run past a spawn and someone comes out, I'm gonna try and take you down. I'm not going to ignore you and let you kill me.

The problem with the spawns on 2fort is their location. Both are in prime areas for enemies to be passing through. Either on the way(one of the ways at least) to the intel, or onto the balcony to kill the snipers to make life easier on your team.

If I get killed by someone as I step out of the spawn, it sucks but so what. As long as the same guy isn't still sitting there when I spawn again I don't have a problem.

[Paul]

If I get killed by someone as I step out of the spawn, it sucks but so what. As long as the same guy isn't still sitting there when I spawn again I don't have a problem.

Demoman respawn kills at 2Fort all the time. He throws sticky bombs all over the enemies door, and then detonates them once anyone unlucky enough steps out. It's so annoying.

[bearhawk72]

So I'm getting better with the pyro. I'm more accurate with the flare gun now and also with the reflecting of rockets/grenades back at soldiers/demomen.

I killed a solider by reflecting his crit rocket back at his feet. He typed that he had no clue what had just happened. That made me laugh

[Dudebro]

I tried to just search for you Paul but the results had like 500+ pages and I gave up. Then I went to the group you invited me too and thankfully it only had like 20 pages and I found you right away, invite sent.
Btw your profile says you played Global Agenda, how is it?


So do you guys know how to tell what items in the shop are worth buying? Like what isn't common. Also do premium members find better stuff or no?

[bearhawk72]

I tried to just search for you Paul but the results had like 500+ pages and I gave up. Then I went to the group you invited me too and thankfully it only had like 20 pages and I found you right away, invite sent.
Btw your profile says you played Global Agenda, how is it?


So do you guys know how to tell what items in the shop are worth buying? Like what isn't common. Also do premium members find better stuff or no?
I have no idea how to tell what isn't common in the store. The official TF2 page says premium users can get rare and cosmetic items as drops, though I haven't gotten anything cosmetic and I'm not sure if I have anything rare

[Paul]

@DB- Invite received. Now, you can send me invites whenever, and we can start playing.

I played Global Agenda, but it was terrible so I uninstalled it.

No items in the Mann Co. Store are worth buying. The shop is just a way for you to buy things sooner than waiting to find them in game
However, keys are unique, because they let you open crates.

Yes, Premium members find rare stuff. Unlike me, who needs to upgrade, I'm limited to what I can find, and how much I can carry.

[Dudebro]

Just wondering about the store because to become a premium TF2 account I have to spend something on it. I guess I'll get a key.

[bearhawk72]

Just wondering about the store because to become a premium TF2 account I have to spend something on it. I guess I'll get a key.
I bought some 50 cent noise maker piece of crap I'll never use

[Dudebro]

So you're saving the other money for stuff on Steam? I was thinking of doing that too but I'm not sure if I'd buy anything really. I suppose I could get the DLC for Civ5 but meh. We should see if there's any other cheap multiplayer games worth getting.

[Paul]

I bought some 50 cent noise maker piece of crap I'll never use

Did you get a free hat with your purchase?

[Dudebro]

I was just looking through the games and I came across this indie one-
‪The Cat and the Coup‬‏ - YouTube
That's a cool presentation and art style. It's free but I doubt I'll bother getting it. From what I hear it's short anyways. It's a documentary game where you play a cat who influences the life of the first democratically elected president of Iran. Crazy right?

[bearhawk72]

Did you get a free hat with your purchase?
yeah

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So you're saving the other money for stuff on Steam? I was thinking of doing that too but I'm not sure if I'd buy anything really. I suppose I could get the DLC for Civ5 but meh. We should see if there's any other cheap multiplayer games worth getting.
Yeah, they have sales all the time. I'm sure I'll find something to spend the rest on

[Dudebro]

Let me know if you come across any good multiplayer games that are cheap.

[Paul]

I also play Cross Fire Rival Factions. It's a fairly good game, and It is one of the most popular FPS games out there. However, I should warn you, there are quite a bit of hackers. Should you play a game with out any, It should be a lot of fun.

Here's a a link to a site dedicated to FREE online mutiplayer games: Best Free to play Online MMORPG and MMO Games - MMOBomb.com (http://www.mmobomb.com/)
MMOBomb reviews all games, so you can decide whether or not to give a game a try.

Also, here's a the link to Cross Fire, should you decide to give it a try: Cross Fire - Free 2 Play Military Shooter (http://crossfire.z8games.com/)

[Blue Shoe 2]

I felt good about tf2 being free. I bought the console version of the orange box which never updated, so this feels like a good recompense.

[Dudebro]

It's free but it's also worth upgrading to premium. I just did it tonight and it cost 5 bucks. Now I have more inventory room and I can actually craft decent stuff, once I get the materials. Free is fine too though.

[Blue Shoe 2]

It's free but it's also worth upgrading to premium. I just did it tonight and it cost 5 bucks. Now I have more inventory room and I can actually craft decent stuff, once I get the materials. Free is fine too though.

To be honest I just want a dead ringer... that's all. give me a dead ringer and i'm set. yup, love me some dead ringer action.

Thing is, since i'm an F2P player and mark myself as such in my name, people assume i'm going to be an inexperienced noob. Unfortunately for them, I'm a xbox 360 tf2 veteren >:D.

[Dudebro]

How do you mark yourself in your name, does it include FTP? I'm sure people assumed I was a newb too until I steamrolled them into multiple dominations.

[Blue Shoe 2]

I put (F2P) before my name.

[Dudebro]

Ok but obviously that begs the question, why?

Btw if anyone decides to become premium you should put Bearhawk or me as the friend who convinced you to upgrade. I just did that for my brother and he got a nice pair of black sunglasses, all I got was the stupid hat. :(

[Paul]

Everybody gets the stupid Hat. You don't need to refer anyone you just need to upgrade.
Speaking of glasses, did the both of you get your Summer shades?

[Dudebro]

I knew the hat was for becoming premium. I was just hoping I'd get something for giving a referral, incentive both ways and all that.

No I didn't get the summer shades. I tried entering the giveaway, I did two things it asked, but nothing. Did I miss something?

[Paul]

You needed at least 3 tickets to receive Summer Shades, or any prize for that matter.

[bearhawk72]

I got the summer shades and Alien Swarm 2(haven't played it) for free.

When I first joined your game last night and saw you were a heavy, sumostomp was a medic and I was on the other team I knew I was in trouble:at-wits-end:Luckily teams got scrambled and we ended up on the same team.:clap:

Sumostomp is your brother right? And he only plays 2fort? We need to get him to play other maps/modes. One can only play so much 2fort.

Attack/Defend and Capture points can be very hit or miss though. It's rather easy and common on both modes for one team steam roll the other and/or camp their spawn. However I have had pretty epic battles on attack/defend Dustbowl.

Payload I haven't played much, but it's not too bad other than the fact that I don't know the maps as well as I need to.

Payload race I just don't like.

[Dudebro]

Damn I missed out on the free stuff by one ticket? :(

Yeah you got lucky. We were really killing everyone that game. When I finally logged out I had 200 kills, 60 deaths and about 25 dominations. When they scrambled the teams I was actually still on blue and you guys were on red, but I switched asap. Sucked for blue team but I wasn't gonna lose both my medics.;)

Yeah he's my brother and yup he only plays two fort. He's lame like that. I keep telling him he has to play other maps but he doesn't care. Back in the days of TF1 we used to mainly just play the well but now they changed it so much and nobody likes it, a shame.
I'm gonna try to get him to play turbine because it's layout is similar to two fort, baby steps. Then I'll make him try stuff like goldrush which can be a lot of fun. It's nice to have people forced into choke points so you can easily slaughter them.

Honestly I don't care if we lose or get dominated as long as we're not being camped in our spawn. If I can still kill people it's all good.

Payload is what goldrush is right, a train you have to move forward? If so I like that mode a lot.

[bearhawk72]

Yeah, payload is the one where you push a cart or stop the other team from doing it.

Payload race each team has a cart, first to the finish wins. I don't really like that one. Every time I play like 2 guys from the other team push the cart, the rest pin you in your spawn.

I forgot there is King of the Hill as well. I like that mode too though sometimes my comp doesn't like it and starts getting laggy.

[Dudebro]

Never played KotH, is it just one control point and a mass murderathon on top of it? If so it sounds promising. ;)

[bearhawk72]

Never played KotH, is it just one control point and a mass murderathon on top of it? If so it sounds promising. ;)
Yup

[Blue Shoe 2]

Ok but obviously that begs the question, why?

Btw if anyone decides to become premium you should put Bearhawk or me as the friend who convinced you to upgrade. I just did that for my brother and he got a nice pair of black sunglasses, all I got was the stupid hat. :(

To lull people into a false sense of security, of course! they assume I don't know the games inner trappings, just for me to *deadringer* *backstab* them.

[Dudebro]

Damn I should've thought of that. Dudebro the newb has a nice ring to it.

[Paul]

@ Blue shoe 2-
Besides the Glasses, i also got the goggles for Portal 2.

Didn't really want the Alien Swarm game, but if you can, let me know how the game goes.

[Dudebro]

I got some glasses for someone referring me but I dunno who, any of you guys?

[Paul]

Not me.
Are those the same black glasses you mentioned before?

[Dudebro]

Professors glasses, when someone refers you.

[Paul]

Are those glasses tradable?

[Dudebro]

Without loading it up and checking, no I don't think they are. It's an incentive to refer people so it makes sense.

[bearhawk72]

I got some glasses for someone referring me but I dunno who, any of you guys?
Not me either. Your brother perhaps? I know you went premium a couple days ago but it might have just been delayed in sending you something

[Dudebro]

Nah as far as I know you only get them when a FTP person upgrades and he did that before me. He did try to add my name when he did but it wouldn't let him, maybe it was delayed? Seems doubtful though.

Either way anyone who upgrades to premium should list Bearhawk72 as a reference so he gets his glasses!

[bearhawk72]

Just as a warning I've been messing around with the settings in TF2 a lot trying to clear up some lag so if I join your game and back out a couple times I'm trying to find the best settings.

Also, I have disabled the in game steam messaging because it does cause lag on my end(turning it off helped in other games before)

[Dudebro]

It's no problem I usually don't notice people coming or going, but I do try to pay attention. I usually notice you when you start healing or killing me.

[bearhawk72]

It's no problem I usually don't notice people coming or going, but I do try to pay attention. I usually notice you when you start healing or I start murdering you.
I fixed that for youxxp

[Paul]

Either way anyone who upgrades to premium should list Bearhawk72 as a reference so he gets his glasses!

I always intended to refer either of you for the glasses, so no worries.
I'll upgrade tomorrow, or the day after, and I'll make sure to refer Bearhawk72.


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To be honest I just want a dead ringer... that's all.

Aww...Did you get the Dead Ringer yet? or no?

[Dudebro]

@BH- If it helps I do kick it into overdrive when I know you're on the other team. I'm not that competitive but I have this compulsion to pwn people I'm friends with. With you it's just for fun and I feel bad if the fight isn't even. When it's my brother I try my best to beat him down and make him mad. So at least there's that right? ;)

[Paul]

pawning newbies is fun,
pawning pros is even more fun,
pawning pros as a newbie yourself is priceless.

[Dudebro]

Some try hard wanna be pro gave me a hard time last night, was amusing. He kept talking trash everytime he killed someone but he never left his fort and he was hardly ever by himself, in other words a camping coward. When I ambushed him he immediately said "You must've been camping there for a while", I wasn't. So I said "Whatever you have to tell yourself". That set him off and he tried to talk more trash to me but I just ignored it and keep playing. I bet he was annoyed, attention whores need that attention.

[bearhawk72]

@BH- If it helps I do kick it into overdrive when I know you're on the other team. I'm not that competitive but I have this compulsion to pwn people I'm friends with. With you it's just for fun and I feel bad if the fight isn't even. When it's my brother I try my best to beat him down and make him mad. So at least there's that right? ;)
Thats how it goes. I've suicide rushed you when you were a heavy and had a medic healing you just to see if I can get you

Also, I think it was your brother I was healing yesterday and he was a soldier. I was almost at full ubercharge and we were right at the enemy base...and he rocket jumped onto the balcony leaving me for dead.

At least I think it was him

[Dudebro]

Believe me I smile when I think of that first game we played against each other and you kept jumping in the water hell bent on smashing my sentry. I'd be in your field of view shooting but you were focused like a laser on the poor little bastard.:lol:

It might've been him but if so he didn't mean it. He plays medic a lot and he knows how lame that is. Maybe he thought you were about to be killed and he figured there was nothing he could accomplish by dieing with you? I've done that to some medics. I figure if you play a support job you expect to die a lot anyways, I do.

[bearhawk72]

I tried joining you tonight but for whatever reason I got kicked for my ping being over 350.

I went onto a different server and finally got the Big Pharma achievement.

[Dudebro]

I saw you joining and then I didn't see you. Figured you didn't wanna play two fort again.

My brother got that one last night and I got the heavy version. Also I realized I don't even have medic milestone 1, I've been playing it a lot I thought. Guess I'm not a good doctor.

[bearhawk72]

You really need to get your brother to play payload. I'm really starting to like it(now that I got the framerate issue mostly solved)

It's near constant action. Sure you're probably going to die, and die a lot but it's fun. Either trying to force your way through the enemy defense or keep the enemy off the cart so they can't push it. It requires a lot more strategy than 2fort

[Dudebro]

Believe me I've been trying. The best I managed was to get him to play Turbine because it's similar to Two Fort. Btw he's not against new maps or anything, he just doesn't wanna spend time learning new layouts and strategies. We've been playing two fort since TF1 so it's familiar(although neither of us really liked it back then).

[Blue Shoe 2]

So I was playing spy, and got ubered by an enemy medic. I was disguised as a soldier, so I guess thats okay, but he didn't notice that I pulled 2 ambassador headshots off before cloaking and within 30 seconds backstabbing him.

[Dudebro]

Someone gave me a dead ringer because they had two. Just figured you might wanna know that. ;)

[bearhawk72]

Someone gave me a dead ringer because they had two. Just figured you might wanna know that. ;)
Do you want a kritzkreig?, I have 3

[Blue Shoe 2]

I need to get premium soon....

[Dudebro]

You wanted to trade for the dead ringer or you wanna give me one out of the kindness of your heart? Just so you know you get a dead ringer from spy milestone 3, from what I heard. Just letting you know.

[bearhawk72]

I don't play spy. You can just have a kritzkreig if you don't have one. It is a medic achievement reward(Medic Milestone 2 I believe)

[Dudebro]

That's cool. Surprisingly I don't even have medic milestone 1 yet.


Btw I got into a small argument with some dude last night. He was talking trash about FTP players, they ruin the game apparently. I explained to him how new players are good for any community but he insisted I was wrong. I guess he thinks a stagnant population works because he's an elitist fool. He kept saying stuff like "well people who buy the game actually want the game so they'll stick around". Stupid right? Thankfully Valve isn't as short sighted. I think this is one of the most brilliant FTP programs.


I also got into it with some moron who said I wasn't playing engineer right. He didn't like that I wasn't defending the base, I was pwning in the water. After I politely explained that he(or the other 15 people) could switch to engineer if they felt so strongly about it I ended up getting three dominations back to back(literally 1,2,3 it was awesome). I asked him "so what was that about defending?". He didn't reply.:lol:

[bearhawk72]

Haha. I was on a server and there were no medics and someone asked someone switch to medic. So I did. I run around healing everyone and start working with a heavy. Not 5 minutes after I had switched the same guy said "Can we get a medic that actually heals and doesn't hide?"

I didn't feel like arguing with him but apparently because I didn't stick to him specifically, I was a crappy medic. Plus sometimes you have to actually run around and look for people and not find anyone. A medic blindly rushing out of his base with no support is likely a dead one.

Yet about 15 minutes later there were 4 medics on the team now, 3 of them standing outside the spawn in an ubercircle healing each other just to get an achievement. He had no problem with that though...

the elitists don't get one fact. Just because you have bought the game doesn't make you good. In fact I bet there are a lot of F2P players that will roll into a server and dominate these people who like to spout off and act superior.

[Dudebro]

I was reading the steam TF2 forums and people were complaining about FTP people, specifically medics, when one guy shut them up by reminding them that before FTP it was rare to see people playing medic anyways.

When I play medic I occasionally hear people talking trash to me because I'm not healing them but I ignore it. If I see someone who needs to be healed, and I'm not being shot at, I'll break from my main tank and heal them. If there's enemies around they're on their own.

Btw when I play heavy I toss my sandvich to you medics when I notice your health is 50% or lower. Pay attention for that so it's not wasted.

Elitists are irrational by nature, they can't be reasoned with. Well they can but if they accept reason they stop being elitist.
But yeah that guys bitching about FTP in my game was doing worse than me. I was playing a map I never played before and I wasn't fighting half the time because I was lost. But I was smoking people.

[Demon-Mask]

the elitists don't get one fact. Just because you have bought the game doesn't make you good. In fact I bet there are a lot of F2P players that will roll into a server and dominate these people who like to spout off and act superior.
But, if you bought the game, you have more dedication to the game, and more dedication means more skill, right?
What a load of BS.

[Paul]

The problem with the Medic is that it is indeed the weakest class in TF2, and therefore less enjoyable to play as.

I mean its main attribute is to go invulnerable for 8 seconds via Ubercharge, but even then it has to leech onto other players the whole time. Otherwise it goes invulernable on its own without having the ability to use any weapons. So really, I ask you: How useful can that be in a Battlefield?

Had the Medic been given the ability to go invulnerable on its own with the usage of weapons, I think it would've give the medic a huge advantage over many classes.

Do any of you agree? or disagree?

Btw: I'm about to play TF2, and I feel like owning with the Medic.

[Dudebro]

I don't see them as weak. They're able to team up with most classes and be very powerful. They're full on support class, that's why their guns suck and you can't use them while invincible(because then they wouldn't suck). It's good balance. It makes medics actually stick with another person and heal. Otherwise we'd see medic chains of invincibility. Broken and overpowered.

I prefer that new uber that doesn't go invincible but gives you criticals instead, so powerful.

I'll be playing again in like a half hour. If you're on I'll try to join you.

[Paul]

Like I said before, I'll try to own with the Medic. It didn't go so well at first (It was terrible), but I persevered and did good.


http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2003&stc=1&d=1311054762 25 Kills and 40 Deaths!

Other Stuff-
Me taking a screen shot of a Heavy I'm about to kill.http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2004&stc=1&d=1311054819
Me taking a screen shot of the Heavy I was about to kill killing me...
http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2005&stc=1&d=1311054854
Me returning for payback.
http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2011&stc=1&d=1311055003
Me getting my second capture and winning the game.http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2002&stc=1&d=1311053256
Me Dominating a Heavy.
http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2006&stc=1&d=1311054854
Me 2% away from going Uber, then suddenly my guy blows up.
http://retrouprising.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2008&stc=1&d=1311054939

I did die a lot, and the respawn time was long enough to make me go crazy :q
* I should note: I played this game entirely as a Medic.

[bearhawk72]

How are the kritzkrieg and Eyelander treating you?

I never really use the kritzkrieg, I find being unvulnerable more useful most of the time.

Also, the Eyelander becomes much more useful once you have the Chargin Targe

[Dudebro]

@Paul- K/D ratio doesn't matter in a game like this. I'm not saying this game isn't serious business but it's more of a run and gun, arcade style FPS. The teamwork thing also lends to more deaths, especially if you're medic. If it helps my brother played an entire game as medic and had zero kills, but I think he was leading the team in points.

Btw if you tried to post pics they didn't work.

Also if you pay attention to the tags of the server you can pick ones with fast or instant respawn. I enjoy those more than waiting 15 seconds to come back.


@BH- Don't be mad but I traded the Eyelander to my brother so he can craft stuff. I just can't get into the demo for some reason and without the charging targe I don't wanna touch melee.

I haven't used the Kritzkreig yet but I honestly prefer it to the invulnerable default. Unless you're ambushing people or hitting a sentry the invulnerability just makes everyone run from you until it runs out. With the uber criticals it's not so obvious(like the other one painting you a whole color) and by the time people realize it they're being peppered with a ton of criticals. It's pretty amazing if used right.

[bearhawk72]

@Paul- K/D ratio doesn't matter in a game like this. I'm not saying this game isn't serious business but it's more of a run and gun, arcade style FPS. The teamwork thing also lends to more deaths, especially if you're medic. If it helps my brother played an entire game as medic and had zero kills, but I think he was leading the team in points.

Btw if you tried to post pics they didn't work.

Also if you pay attention to the tags of the server you can pick ones with fast or instant respawn. I enjoy those more than waiting 15 seconds to come back.


@BH- Don't be mad but I traded the Eyelander to my brother so he can craft stuff. I just can't get into the demo for some reason and without the charging targe I don't wanna touch melee.

I haven't used the Kritzkreig yet but I honestly prefer it to the invulnerable default. Unless you're ambushing people or hitting a sentry the invulnerability just makes everyone run from you until it runs out. With the uber criticals it's not so obvious(like the other one painting you a whole color) and by the time people realize it they're being peppered with a ton of criticals. It's pretty amazing if used right.
It's fine. Since I have one I use I'd probably just wait until I got another one and then made it into scrap metal anyways

[Dudebro]

Well if that's the case then I'll gladly take anything else you aren't gonna use. We're interested in crafting some stuff but the process takes quite a bit of items to break down into materials.

I don't have anything to spare atm but in the future I'll hook you up if you need something specific.

[bearhawk72]

I'm trying to keep 1 of everything per class, even if I don't play it(because at some point I'll want to start playing them all)

I'll take a look and see next time I'm on, though I want to keep some stuff so I can craft myself. I made a degreaser for the pyro a little while ago.

[Dudebro]

It's not problem at all if you don't wanna give me free stuff. The only reason I ask is because it's hard to accumulate but if you're gonna craft you'll need everything you can get probably.

I'm keeping stuff for each class too even if I don't play them. But if you or my brother need a piece I got I don't mind parting with it, like say the Shotstop for Scout.

[Blue Shoe 2]

Some people are so silly. I occasionally play on my laptop, and I use an xbox controller to avoid the trackpad. I made the mistake of mentioning this to someone who ended up REFUSING TO HEAL ME because I have a 360 controller and am playing a PC game with it like a "scrub" (his words).

[Dudebro]

Yeah I've heard of that. For some reason some PC players are all elitist about people playing FPS with controllers, even moreso when it's a 360 controller.

I had this happen in Champions Online. I was all excited to find out that it's completely playable with a 360 controller but everyone I talked to, people who are supposed to be my new in game friends, basically mocked it and laughed at the concept. I don't mind the keyboard+mouse for most games but for me this made Champions so much easier to control and enjoy. They didn't care about any of that, it's just lame no matter what. People can be pretty irrationally stupid sometimes.

[joz]

link me up and I'll check it out. Maybe I'll join up with Bearhawk and DB if you two aren't that far up ahead.

[Dudebro]

When you get it downloaded let us know. You start out with all default weapons but they aren't bad by any means. But if you want I'm sure we can give you a couple weapons with stats to give you a boost if you want.

[Paul]

@Paul- K/D ratio doesn't matter in a game like this. I'm not saying this game isn't serious business but it's more of a run and gun, arcade style FPS. The teamwork thing also lends to more deaths, especially if you're medic. If it helps my brother played an entire game as medic and had zero kills, but I think he was leading the team in points.

Btw if you tried to post pics they didn't work.

Also if you pay attention to the tags of the server you can pick ones with fast or instant respawn. I enjoy those more than waiting 15 seconds to comeack b.

K/D doesn't matter, I know. I was trying to point out I've never died so much before. In other classes I could have a K/D ratio where kills far exceed deaths.

I'm looking at the pictures right now. Their working for me.

Most respawn times are up to 20 seconds. Finding a server with instant respawn is almost unheard of, at the original maps anyway.

[Dudebro]

Maybe it's just me but I don't really care about K/D at all. It's nice when it's positive but generally I run out recklessly and it's not worth worrying about. I'm not saying I play mindlessly but I don't care if I get killed.

When I go to edit your post I can see where the pics are but they don't display at all for me. Is anyone else seeing them in his post on page 7?

Not true for two fort. I see quite a few fast/instant spawn servers. I haven't checked for other maps though.

Btw I played two fort classic and it was a blast from the past. It's updated to look better but it's the same map from the old days. It was awesome. Now I just need to find people playing Well classic.

[bearhawk72]

so I crafted the quick fix medi-gun today. It's pretty awesome

+40% heal rate
+25% uber rate
Move at the speed of anything faster you are healing

-Can't overheal

Required a reclaimed metal, mad milk, and kritzkrieg

[Dudebro]

You like it? I think it's the worst of the three. The invincibility is awesome for obvious reasons and the critical uber is beast if you do it right. Why use the quick fix? Like what's the point of a faster uber if it doesn't do anything dynamic?

Also I think I heard the mad milk is a valuable trade item. Not to rub salt in the wound.

Btw did you notice the new weapons yet? They got some rayguns for soldiers and not everyone is liking it. Seems a little overpowered to me. It's fast, explodes and catches people on fire and I think it can pass through it's first target.

[bearhawk72]

I saw them and it helps bog down my computer, so I hate it

I used it on Turbine and me and a soldier got 3 captures in 5 minutes with it. I twas basically me follow him into the base, uber, kill everything, get flag and return it. By the time we got back to the enemy intel again uber was ready again.

[Dudebro]

You might be able to turn off the trails and particle effects but I don't know how. Try the TF2 steam forums.

So the uber just increases the healing drastically? Everytime I tried it or someone else did I just saw death instead of charging forward with the uber.

Btw if you like it then we could theoretically have three medics working together with different ubers. On paper that seems like a lethal combo.

[bearhawk72]

My first 2 random drops this new week are vita-saws. I'm keeping one, you want the other?

Saves up to 20% uber charge when you die, costs you 10 health.

[Dudebro]

I got a second Shortstop gun for the scout if you want that.

I don't have that saw yet so sure I'll take it. I have the other one that gives 25% uber on hit but I usually just miss with it anyways.

[bearhawk72]

I don't really want anything back.

I tried joining you last night but the server you were on holds one slot for admins but doesn't tell you that until just before you join.

[Dudebro]

Sorry about that. I wish there was a good messaging system like Live has. I try sending invites and msgs to my brother but apparently he doesn't notice them.

I get that same reserved slot nonsense all the time when I try to join my brothers games. Because of that crap you can't even leave it on autojoin.

[bearhawk72]

Sorry about that. I wish there was a good messaging system like Live has. I try sending invites and msgs to my brother but apparently he doesn't notice them.

I get that same reserved slot nonsense all the time when I try to join my brothers games. Because of that crap you can't even leave it on autojoin.
Yeah, I turned it off because it makes me lag at times. Even when it's on though, and I have it set to give a sound when someone sends a message, I never hear it and don't see messages until I quit the game

[Dudebro]

That's what I mean, the notification system is severely lacking. On xbox live it just pops up quick and lets you know a message was received and I've never noticed it slowing a game down.

[bearhawk72]

Yeah, same for PSN. A little box pops up in the corner saying you got a message, from who, and the subject

[Dudebro]

So I'm really tired of the pew pew lasers now. I wanna be patient and give it some time but they really do seem overpowered and easy to get(I heard it's a black box and reclaimed metal?). I bet Valve patches it soon but until then it's annoying me something fierce.

[bearhawk72]

I don't get this. I tried to join the server you were on which is in Chicago. I live right outside Chicago, but my ping is always massively high.

[Dudebro]

It sounds like you have a weak connection, does this happen with other games? Are you on wireless? My brother is and he can't find many games to join, only ones with good ping. It's possible you joined a game I was in with bad latency since I can join pretty much any of them. I'll try to remember to join good ping games from now on.

[bearhawk72]

It sounds like you have a weak connection, does this happen with other games? Are you on wireless? My brother is and he can't find many games to join, only ones with good ping. It's possible you joined a game I was in with bad latency since I can join pretty much any of them. I'll try to remember to join good ping games from now on.
I don't usually have a problem, just with that server. The latency shows at 30-45 when I click on it, but I always get booted for a ping over 350.

Meanwhile I can join servers on the other side of the country and have single digit pings.

I use a wired connection

[Dudebro]

I read that some servers lie about their stuff like players currently playing so maybe they lie about latency too? What I read suggested blacklisting those servers so you don't see them anymore.

[Blue Shoe 2]

yaaay I upgraded to premium. i'm Ayanleman if you want to find me.

[bearhawk72]

I've been playing payload a good deal lately. I have a few observations

1) I still hate spies. When you are pushing the cart and the enemy pops up in front of you it's all to common to get shanked(it's a good strategy yes but that doesn't mean I have to like it)
2)Some of the maps seems unbalanced in Red's favor. A couple of the maps (goldrush and another I can't think of right now) have very bad choke points one team can camp and make it nearly impossible for blue to get through.
3)Badwater basin is probably my favorite map for payload. It can be defended well, but blue has a good chance of winning. It really gets hectic right outside the final capture zone. It's more open than the other maps

[Dudebro]

Goldrush can be bad if the blue team has dead weight or is bad in general. Even a few good people can't save it if the red team is stocked with people who know the map. I've been on both sides of that coin and it's never really fun. But I gotta admit I play hard the whole time even if one team is losing. I'm that dude camping the cart and pushing it back while you're struggling to move a few feet from the spawn. ;)

Yup spies hurt on payload maps for sure. If you don't have a pyro as back up and a smart engineer making teleporters it becomes frustrating fast. Some of those maps have a huge walk to catch up. I think that's one of the main reasons people just play two fort, instant fighting outside your spawn. None of that careful planning and strategy.

Btw I think I really like King of the Hill(the mode, although the show is awesome too). I wish it was free for all but I can understand why it's not considering the Team part of the games title.

[Demon-Mask]

Question: Is there a Team Fortress 1?
I've only heard mention of the second one, never once have I seen or heard any evidence that TF2 is actually a sequel, as there has been no evidence of a TF1.

[Dudebro]

Really? TF1 was a huge game when it was in it's prime. You might be having issues finding info because it's commonly referred to as TF classic but it still shouldn't that hard. When I searched for team fortress 1 in wikipedia it was the fourth result.
Team Fortress Classic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Btw I just preordered From Dust through Steam for 14.99 and when it releases I'll get a free mask to wear in TF2.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/From_Dust_cover.png
That one, can't wait.

[bearhawk72]

TFC goes on sale fairly frequently on Steam if anyone wants it.

Also, there is an alternate TF2 that was made by fans who were none too thrilled with the development of TF2 and the direction they took.

It's called Fortress Forever. I tried to play it once but it looked like the community was rather small.

‪Fortress Forever (Mod) Gameplay‬‏ - YouTube

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Dear Valve,

Stop giving me crates. I will not buy a key to unlock your crap. Maybe you should consider dropping keys once in a while.

That is all.

[Dudebro]

Do people still play TFC at all really? My brother and I might be inclined to get it so we can play the old maps again.


Fortress Forever looks cool but the video looks laggy or maybe the game is just unstable like that.
Btw one guy is named "Jesus saves. Repent. Trust him." That must be ironic, I doubt Jesus would approve of playing murder sims.


I hear you on the crates thing but at least it doesn't count as an item drop from what I read. I just keep them in case someone wants a specific one for trade. Longshot but it's not unheard of.

[Blue Shoe 2]

Do people still play TFC at all really? My brother and I might be inclined to get it so we can play the old maps again.


Fortress Forever looks cool but the video looks laggy or maybe the game is just unstable like that.
Btw one guy is named "Jesus saves. Repent. Trust him." That must be ironic, I doubt Jesus would approve of playing murder sims.


I hear you on the crates thing but at least it doesn't count as an item drop from what I read. I just keep them in case someone wants a specific one for trade. Longshot but it's not unheard of.

I met someone named "Jesus is a w+m1" today. made me smile.

[Dudebro]

I don't get it, please explain.

[bearhawk72]

I don't really know how big the TFC community is anymore.

Reading the steam forums it appears there are still good servers out there, but a lot of servers full of nothing but bots as well.

I'd wait and see if it goes on sale for dirt cheap(which it probably will) so the risk is low

[Dudebro]

If it's a dollar or two I'd get it probably. But with TF2 being free to play it's really kinda stunning that they would charge at all. Besides being ancient, relatively, I think the game is totally open by this point with people making all kinds of projects off it. I don't see how they can justify charging. Maybe for the courtesy of hosting the servers to play on? The game is over a decade old now so that would make sense I guess.

[bearhawk72]

If it's a dollar or two I'd get it probably. But with TF2 being free to play it's really kinda stunning that they would charge at all. Besides being ancient, relatively, I think the game is totally open by this point with people making all kinds of projects off it. I don't see how they can justify charging. Maybe for the courtesy of hosting the servers to play on? The game is over a decade old now so that would make sense I guess.
They still charge for Counter Strike, and it's the second most played game on steam and according to wikipedia it hasn't even been updated since 2003

The main difference is they make money off TF2 from the store, TFC doesn't have an in game store so they still need to charge for it

[Dudebro]

What's the number one played, TF2?:lol:

Not that I don't believe you but where did you read that stat? I skimmed a couple pages and didn't see it. I'm interested in seeing what else is on there.

I just figured they could cover the cost of hosting an old game since the sequel has been wildly popular for years. Not a big deal either way just saying.


You ever play CS? I remember playing it back when it was just a mod of TF. It was great but we preferred the class system of TF. Oddly enough one of my other favorite games is based of the CS engine(including the buy system), Shadowrun.
Btw do you know the name of the military mod they used to have around the same time? I'm just wondering if it went on to be something good too.

[Demon-Mask]

Did it launch with the title "Team Fortress Classic"? It seem like that would be a stupid name.
It looks less cartoony:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Team_Fortress_Classic_original_models.jpg
Compared to this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/TF2_Group.jpg

The classes aren't in the same order, but you can figure it out easily enough.

[bearhawk72]

What's the number one played, TF2?:lol:

Not that I don't believe you but where did you read that stat? I skimmed a couple pages and didn't see it. I'm interested in seeing what else is on there.

I just figured they could cover the cost of hosting an old game since the sequel has been wildly popular for years. Not a big deal either way just saying.


You ever play CS? I remember playing it back when it was just a mod of TF. It was great but we preferred the class system of TF. Oddly enough one of my other favorite games is based of the CS engine(including the buy system), Shadowrun.
Btw do you know the name of the military mod they used to have around the same time? I'm just wondering if it went on to be something good too.
The stat about CS being the second most played game?
Steam: Game and Player Statistics (http://store.steampowered.com/stats/?snr=1_4_4__110)

I played CS back in college when it was maybe 1 year old. I was never good at it and didn't really like it much

The military mod you are thinking of is probably Day of Defeat. It's WW2 based. I have that one as well.

Also, there are 2 versions of CS and Day of Defeat. The old ones and newer ones based on the Source Engine(Half Life 2 engine)

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Did it launch with the title "Team Fortress Classic"? It seem like that would be a stupid name.
It looks less cartoony:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Team_Fortress_Classic_original_models.jpg
Compared to this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/TF2_Group.jpg

The classes aren't in the same order, but you can figure it out easily enough.
No, it was launched as Team Fortress. The name changed at some point after an update. The top image is the old skins of the classes. They changed later on.
http://www.planetfortress.com/killjoy/classes.gif

[Demon-Mask]

But, I like the old skins.

[Blue Shoe 2]

A w+m1 is an unskilled pyro who holds down W+ attack until they burn something.

[Dudebro]

@DM- TF was first a just a mod for Quake that was released with Half Life. It caught on so well that they decided to make a retail version. Counter strike spawned as a mod of TF. It's a pretty cool evolution I think.

I like the old skins too but the new ones fit the humor of the game. It's not too cartoony imo. At least it's not anime.

Btw it's cool to see the original skins again. I remember those vividly. I think the first Pyro design looked the most intimidating of the three. Like he spray painted a few trash bags red and made a suit out of it.

I just remembered the medic used to be able to poison enemies and it would spread to other enemies. I miss stuff like that.


@DTBS2- I get it now thanks.

[Demon-Mask]

So, Counterstrike is a mod of a mod?
I don't think they are too cartoony, I just prefer the way the old models look.
I like the original Medic mod, that guy looks scary as hell.

[Dudebro]

Yeah CS is a spin off of a spin off basically. It's a chain of awesome.

[Demon-Mask]

I like Counterstrike.

[Dudebro]

I think the reason I lost interest in CS was all the mods and hacks people brought into it. I remember wall hacking was bad when I played it. The TF2 community seemed more laid back, although I'm sure there was cheating going on.

[Demon-Mask]

I hate crap like wall hacks.

[Dudebro]

Any normal gamer does. But sadly there's a large group of gamers who think all's fair if there's the option to do it. But at least Valve cares about it and they try to fight them. So far I've had no issues with this in TF2.

[Demon-Mask]

When I get a new computer, I'll get myself a new Steam account {I uninstalled Steam, and I don't know which email address I used to sign up}, and I'll download TF2, since it is free.

[Dudebro]

Word up let us know when you do. Give me all your drops so I can make hats.

[Demon-Mask]

Yeah, I'll do that.
Maybe they should rename it to "Hat Fortress 2", as hats do seem to be the big incentive to keep playing for most people anymore.

[CrispyChicken]

Definitely considering TF2 as well when I get a better comp. My poor comp can barely handle RU lol.

[Dudebro]

I think I've heard it called a hat simulator before, the joke is old now. But it's funny to see all the different hats people have. I just got my From Dust mask and I feel like I'm part of the community now. :)


Btw minor problem with the mask, it's only for Demoman. I suck with demo. :(

[Demon-Mask]

Definitely considering TF2 as well when I get a better comp. My poor comp can barely handle RU lol.
Mine couldn't handle Portal, I hadn't even gotten the Portal gun yet when it froze.
Playing Touhou 6: Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, my computer's fan goes into overdrive to keep it cool. That game was released in 2002, and isn't exactly hard on resources.

[Dudebro]

Sometimes my fan kicks in hard during TF2 so you might be out of luck currently. It's not a super high end game but there's a lot of stuff going on constantly.

[Demon-Mask]

Of course, ESoD is a danmaku, where there is generally a lot going on, so many bullets. So, that isn't a good check.
If it couldn't handle the opening of Portal, where pretty much nothing happens, it probably wouldn't be able to handle TF2, where a lot is happening.

[Blue Shoe 2]

I just love playing on melee only servers. I've gotten pretty good with the eyender and chargingtarge

[Dudebro]

I don't like the melee in this game really. They can charge at you before you can kill them even if they're like 20 feet away.

[bearhawk72]

I don't like the melee in this game really. They can charge at you before you can kill them even if they're like 20 feet away.
What makes it worse, the pyro who is the class most suited to stop someone charging at them is at a disadvantage because the shields reduce fire damage:

Chargin Targe: 50% resistance to fire damage
Splendid Screen: 25% fire resistance

[Dudebro]

I mainly don't like how some set ups make them able to one hit kill and regain full health upon kill. This is supposed to be a shooting game and a demo charging through a crowd of people ruins the flow imo. At least in Shadowrun it's balanced. You have to surprise people with the katana or you'll be picked off at range.

[Blue Shoe 2]

To be fair, its not as easy as it looks. A pyros compressed air can negate a charge, and the eyelander takes away 25 health and stops random crits.

[Dudebro]

It's easy enough to be annoying.

[Blue Shoe 2]

It's easy enough to be annoying.

True, but so can be long range huntsman, backburner surprises, sentries in the intel room, long range flaregun shots, sandman stuns, Natascha attacks, scouts beating you down while you're munching on a sandvich, sniper nests, sticky traps, Half-Zatoichi one-shots, ubered enemies, and smart spies. ANYTHING in the game can be seen in a bad light. to add further emphasis on my point,

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/543
Courtesy of Nerfnow

[Dudebro]

I'm just taking issue with the overpowered feeling of that melee. I have lots of practice dealing with melee in a FPS from SR but TF2 takes it a step further and seems to emphasis the demoknight thing too much.

[Blue Shoe 2]

I'm just taking issue with the overpowered feeling of that melee. I have lots of practice dealing with melee in a FPS from SR but TF2 takes it a step further and seems to emphasis the demoknight thing too much.

True, but they can be easily countered. Melee weapons and demoknights have one major disadvantage; the range. keep your eyes peeled and you'll be a-ok.


It all depends on the situation, that really decides how overpowered something is.

[Dudebro]

I do kill my share of demoknights but it's the ones I don't that bother me, obviously. The part about them getting health back and/or speed/attack power for kills makes it seem unbalanced. How am I supposed to fight that if I'm an engineer or medic for example?

[Blue Shoe 2]

I do kill my share of demoknights but it's the ones I don't that bother me, obviously. The part about them getting health back and/or speed/attack power for kills makes it seem unbalanced. How am I supposed to fight that if I'm an engineer or medic for example?

With a gun. (sorry, couldn't resist. :snicker:)

Also, only the Half-Zatoichi restores health. when you equip that, however, you cannot change weapons until you get a kill.

[Dudebro]

Ah the cliche thing about "I can't sheath my sword until it draws blood". Cool I guess, at least it's a balancing thing.

[Blue Shoe 2]

Ah the cliche thing about "I can't sheath my sword until it draws blood". Cool I guess, at least it's a balancing thing.

Plus other users of that sword can one-hit-kill you.


*edit* and the weapon the "Ullapool Caber" is insanely great. It's a grenade (!) that you can beat people with. it explodes (!) when you hit someone with it. afterwards, it is already exploded... so it doesn't really do much. To quote the description of the weapon "High-yield Scottish face removal.
A sober person would throw it..."

[Dudebro]

Yeah the Ullapool caber actually seems fun but I've yet to find one. How bad does it hurt you when it explodes?

[bearhawk72]

I've got one, haven't used it

Videos I saw looks like it takes ~100 hp off if you land a hit with it

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Dudebro is it wrong that when I saw you as a medic trying to kill a sentry, my first thought was I should melee kill you since you don't like it?>:D

[Dudebro]

If I was a medic trying to kill a sentry I deserved it. I honestly don't remember that though. I do remember jumping around in a panic while I was surrounded and accidentally killing a sentry being set up, was that the time you meant? If so I was beasting on those guys. I was a lone medic and I killed a sentry, it's engineer and the soldier trying to shoot me. If you mean something else then I probably was being a noob.

[Belmontzar]

YAY perhaps some time in the future I shall have the grace of playing as the HEAVY

"Sandvich sandvich!"

[Dudebro]

"My FLESH, it burns!"

I like that one but it's best when he's happy and starts singing, makes me smile.

[bearhawk72]

If I was a medic trying to kill a sentry I deserved it. I honestly don't remember that though. I do remember jumping around in a panic while I was surrounded and accidentally killing a sentry being set up, was that the time you meant? If so I was beasting on those guys. I was a lone medic and I killed a sentry, it's engineer and the soldier trying to shoot me. If you mean something else then I probably was being a noob.
It was on Turbine you were on the stairs and able to see the sentry but not have it shoot you. I think you were shooting at it but maybe you were just hiding. Either way I killed you from behind, but not with a melee kill.

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"My FLESH, it burns!"

I like that one but it's best when he's happy and starts singing, makes me smile.
I heard this one last night and it made me laugh

Don't run! It's just ham!

[Belmontzar]

Any hints and tips for players? I only recently got back into FPS with Old school doom and My copy of Halo so.. any help or suggestions?

[bearhawk72]

Any hints and tips for players? I only recently got back into FPS with Old school doom and My copy of Halo so.. any help or suggestions?
1)Spy check everyone. If nothing happens they are not a spy. If they are a spy they will bleed or get ignited

2)Easiest classes to start playing with are probably Soldier and Heavy. Playing medic can be useful for learning maps. Latch onto a heavy and just keep following him while healing

3)You will hate spies. They can be invisible. If you see someone on your team with your name, it's a spy. Kill them. It's useful to let your team know if there is a spy about, and if they have disguised as you

4)Pyro is fairly easy to use, but is an up close and personal class. Try to ambush people if necessary. Use the alt fire of the flamethrower to reflect rockets, sticky bombs, pipe bombs, and arrows back at whoever shot them. Also use it if enemies get too close in a group

5)For King of the Hill and some control point maps, you can dominate with a Demoman if you just find cover and pepper the point with pipe bombs. Sticky bombs also work well. You can lay them and detonate them with mouse 2 no matter what weapon you are using, they disappear when you die.

6)Sniper, scout, spy, and engineer take some patience and practice to use well.

[Belmontzar]

cool, I already liked heavy from some vids ive seen... I like large weapons ^_^

[Demon-Mask]

cool, I already liked heavy from some vids ive seen... I like large weapons ^_^
Compensating for something?

[Belmontzar]

Compensating for something?

lol honestly? not sure.. lolz might explain my love for BFG and BFS weapons o.0. That or I like large things cause im a small skinny person. ^_^

[Demon-Mask]

Just giving you a hard time.