Miyamoto

[Slime Slayer]

Will you cry when he dies? I think I will, just picturing SMB in slow-mo with the foggy effect and sad music almost makes me cry.

[Dudebro]

Nope. Not to be cruel but lots of important people die all the time and I don't cry about them either.

[RU Joe]

I'm sorry, but who is this person exactly?

[Slime Slayer]

@JG, The man behind Mario, Zelda ect. ect.
@DB, It's got nothing to do with how important he is, it's got to do with the fact that no other man on the planet has filled my heart with such concentraded joy as he has.

[RU Joe]

OH, I see now why you said what you did.

To be honest I don't cry very much if at all, even at funerals of family members, so my answer must be no, I will not cry.
However, his passing will have significance to all gamers as so many of us enjoy his creations.

[Tails]

I wouldn't care tbh, never was a die hard fan of his games, it would effect me as any other death really. The only ones in recent memory that was a shocker was John Ritter and the creator of Pokemon whose name escapes me.

[joz]

To be honest I don't cry very much if at all, even at funerals of family members, so my answer must be no, I will not cry.
However, his passing will have significance to all gamers as so many of us enjoy his creations.

Diddo. Ultimately we all go down that path and I've learned to accept the parting of our dearly beloved. Other than the final goodbye tears, I rarely cry for any other reason.

[jim5cents]

I'm sure the big N has plenty of DNA samples laying around and they could actually have their own army of Miyamoto clones.

[elrod21]

I'm sure the big N has plenty of DNA samples laying around and they could actually have their own army of Miyamoto clones.

If they don't already have them frozen ready to revive when they need the next one.

In any case it will be significant when he passes on.

[Kugyince]

I wont cry but it will be a huge loss for our hobby.

[jim5cents]

I wont cry but it will be a huge loss for our hobby.

What about this guy?

http://www.thequoteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bill%20gates.jpg

[Kugyince]

You might as well have posted a pic of Steve Jobs.

[jim5cents]

http://www.allnewsmac.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/steve_wozniak.jpg

Fair? Might be worth crying about.

[Dudebro]

@DB, It's got nothing to do with how important he is, it's got to do with the fact that no other man on the planet has filled my heart with such concentraded joy as he has.
I get that but you asked if we would cry. I think we all know you'll be inconsolable.

[joz]

@DB, It's got nothing to do with how important he is, it's got to do with the fact that no other man on the planet has filled me with such concentrated joy as he has.

:call-me:

[DrunkN]

no other man on the planet has filled my heart with such concentraded joy as he has.
Would you associate the idea of Miyamoto with your childhood? Perhaps you would feel as if it's further away if new Nintendo games lack his input.

[tanc24]

Looks like Jozman is offering to fill you with some "concentrated joy", Cassidy!

It will be a sad day when Miyamoto dies, but no tears will be shed into my Power Gloved hands.

[warghoul]

Why would I cry? I never even met him.

[RU Joe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevencassidy13 http://retrouprising.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://retrouprising.com/video-games/all-other-games/miyamoto/t11394/#post173296)
@DB, It's got nothing to do with how important he is, it's got to do with the fact that no other man on the planet has filled my heart with such concentraded joy as he has.

http://eyeofthestorm.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83452259369e20120a5b4bc31970c-800wi

... and since your heart has been filled with Joy, a pleasant lemony scent has wafted behind you where ever you go ..

[Slime Slayer]

I don't think I would anymore, I was just in a weird mood last night. So I guess I would if I was in the right mood and thought about it enough.

@Joz.... don't get it... call you if I need to talk about it?
@DN, don't think his imput today would really matter, it's more about me and my NES.

[DrunkN]

No other man on the planet has filled my heart with such concentraded joy as he has.
I was just in a weird mood last night. So I guess I would if I was in the right mood and thought about it enough.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb25/cheffdonty/imagesqtbnANd9GcScli95H7idpaOHnD1Lik1y54SwHn-rm_c7QUkFioB9JCCGDe9Pzg.jpg

[warghoul]

@ DN that pup looks old.

[joz]

@Joz.... don't get it... call you if I need to talk about it?.

Don't play coy.

[Demon-Mask]

I have no emotional attachment to the man, why would I cry over his death?

Besides, he's no Hideo Kojima.

[Kugyince]

Besides, he's no Hideo Kojima.

Lolz.

[Slime Slayer]

he's no Hideo Kojima.
He got into the industry after being inspired by SMB.

[Demon-Mask]

It doesn't change the fact that Kojima's games have had more an impact on me than Miyamoto's.

[Slime Slayer]

It doesn't change the fact that Kojima's games have had more an impact on me than Miyamoto's.
You wouldnt even know who he is if Miyamoto hadnt brought gaming back from the brink of death.

[Demon-Mask]

Still doesn't change anything. Yes, he brought gaming back, but it doesn't mean his games had more of a direct impact on me.

[Slime Slayer]

So Metal Gear has had more impact on you than all of efforts of Miyamoto? You are dilusional.

And for the record, you said: "Besides, he's no Hideo Kojima" witch is a foolish statement regardless of who's games you prefer.

[Demon-Mask]

That line of "Besides, he's no Hideo Kojima" was a joke, don't you get it? I can't cry for anyone I don't know.

Yes, the games of Hideo Kojima did have more of an impact on me, how am I delusional? I wasn't deeply impacted by an obese plumber eating mushrooms to gain super powers and I wasn't impacted by a silent elf boy in a tunic.

Oh, and it's not just Metal Gear, I happened to like the Boktai series and Zone of the Enders.

Granted, most of Kojima's works are Metal Gear, but I find stories about nuclear deterrence and war much more interesting than stories about saving a princess from a castle.

[Slime Slayer]

So if you had to choose, witch one would you remove from the hstory of gaming?

[Demon-Mask]

Difficult choice.
If I remove Kojima, I miss out on Metal Gear.
If I remove Miyamoto, I pretty much kill gaming.

If we were to let gaming be revived regardless, I'd go with removing Miyamoto. This is going on purely the merit of the impact of the games on me, but since Miyamoto played a major role in reviving the industry and set the course of the industry as a whole, I'd have to remove Kojima and miss out on Metal Gear.


Damn it, I lose either way.

[Dudebro]

Kojima
If I had to choose. I think metal gear is way overrated and we could do without it.

[Demon-Mask]

If I had to choose. I think metal gear is way overrated and we could do without it.
But Mario and Legend of Zelda are much more overrated.

[Dudebro]

Says you. Seems like you're ignoring what they did for the industry as a whole. The same can't be said for Metal Gear.

[Kugyince]

The name of the main character of the PC game Daikatana, Hiro Miyamoto, is a homage to Miyamoto.

The character Gary Oak from the Pokémon anime series is named Shigeru in Japan and is the rival of Ash Ketchum (called Satoshi in Japan). Pokémon creator Satoshi Tajiri was mentored by Miyamoto.

In 1998, Miyamoto was honored as the first person inducted into the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences' Hall of Fame.

In 2006, Miyamoto was made a Chevalier (knight) of the French Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by the French Minister of Culture Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres.

On November 28, 2006, Miyamoto was featured in TIME Asia's "60 Years of Asian Heroes," alongside Hayao Miyazaki, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Bruce Lee and the Dalai Lama.

He was later chosen as one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People of the Year in both 2007 and also in 2008, in which he topped the list with a total vote of 1,766,424.

At the Game Developers Choice Awards, on March 7, 2007, Miyamoto received the Lifetime Achievement Award "for a career that spans the creation of Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda to the company's recent revolutionary systems, Nintendo DS and Wii."

Both GameTrailers and IGN placed Miyamoto first on their lists for the "Top Ten Game Creators" and the "Top 100 Game Creators of All Time" respectively.

In a survey of game developers by industry publication Develop, 30% of the developers chose Miyamoto as their "Ultimate Development Hero".

He was made a Fellow of BAFTA at the British Academy Video Games Awards on March 19, 2010.

Miyamoto is also the first interactive creator nominated for the highest recognition in the Spanish-speaking world, the Prince of Asturias Award.

c/o Wiki

[Slime Slayer]

IGN - Top 100 Game Creators of All Time (http://games.ign.com/top-100-game-creators/index.html) A really neat article.

[Demon-Mask]

Says you. Seems like you're ignoring what they did for the industry as a whole. The same can't be said for Metal Gear.
I enjoy games on their own merits, not what they did for the industry.

That said, the Metal Gear series did have an influence on the industry as a whole. In 1988, Metal Gear pretty much created the stealth genre. Metal Gear Solid revived that genre years later, and also was one of the first games that was highly cinematic.

Regardless, Miyamoto had more of an impact on the industry, and his games are all pretty good. I was just saying that the impact Kojima's work had on me directly was greater than the impact Miyamoto's work had on me directly.
I wasn't bashing Miyamoto, without him the industry would likely be dead, and it was Super Mario World and The Legend of Zelda: a Link to the Past that got me into gaming.

(http://games.ign.com/top-100-game-creators/index.html)IGN - Top 100 Game Creators of All Time (http://games.ign.com/top-100-game-creators/index.html) A really neat article.

I agree, that was an interesting article. I can understand Miyamoto being on the top of the list, but Will Wright and Sid Meier are ranked a little high, if you ask me.


Now then, this topic is not about whether Kojima is better than Miyamoto, it is about Miyamoto. So, I'll get back on topic.

List of Nintendo games created by Shigeru Miyamoto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not at all a bad body of work.

[Dudebro]

but Will Wright and Sid Meier are ranked a little high
Not at all. Seems like your own bias is clouding your judgment, those guys deserve their spot.

[Slime Slayer]

I think Carmak should have been number 2, right behind Miyamoto. What he did with doom is mind boggling.

[Kugyince]

List is worthless without Ted Dabney and Nolan Bushnell.

[Slime Slayer]

I agree, perhaps the author observed their respective downfalls as reason to exclude them.

[Demon-Mask]

Not at all. Seems like your own bias is clouding your judgment, those guys deserve their spot.
Okay, then justify to me why they deserve that spot, without using your own bias. Everyone has an opinion, thus everyone has a bias. Any list of best or worst anything will be based in opinion and thus will be biased.

[Dudebro]

Well obviously but Will Wright and Sid Meier are undeniably deserving of a high spot on a gaming list. Wright for the Sim series which needs no explanation of why it's iconic. Meier for Civilization and other hits.
Btw-
In 1999, Meier became the second person to be inducted into the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences' Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Interactive_Arts_and_Sciences%27_Hall_o f_Fame). The first to receive that honor was Shigeru Miyamoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto) from Nintendo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo).
Wright was the fifth.

Btw this has been bugging me.
In 1988, Metal Gear pretty much created the stealth genre.
Not really. Castle Wolfenstein did before MG and other games had stealth elements too. MG was the first mainstream success, it didn't really create anything. Also Tenchu came out a little before MGS and it was a much better stealth game, imo of course. Not to totally bash MG but I think it's pretty overrated and now it just sells on brand name and flashy cutscenes.

[jim5cents]

An analogy to make between Miyamoto and Kojima is like comparing Gutenberg and William Randolph Hearst.

Gutenberg made newspapers possible with the invent of the printing press, Hearst changed the way newspapers and the media were read. Without Gutenberg, there is no Hearst. Therefore, Gutenberg's impact is more important and long lasting.

Favorite Kojima game btw is not a Metal Gear game, it is Snatcher

[Kugyince]

It's like comparing Born to Oppenheimer,
am i rite?

[jim5cents]

I suppose, but since I'm not a super genius, I wouldn't go that far.

[Kugyince]

It's like comparing William of Ockham to Dr. Spencer Wells.

I mean, William of Ockham is an 18th century franciscan friar and theologian who penned the famous Ockham's Razor. Dr. Spencer Wells is a 21st century mass geneticist who used Ockham's Razor while mapping out mDNA to finally validate early human migrations out of Africa.

Am I rite?

[jim5cents]

Sure, but can we dumb it down, without Batman, there is no Robin...amirite?

[Kugyince]

Without Jesus there's no Bruce Feiler.

Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bruce Feiler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jim5cents]

I dont know, a lot his works pertain to the old testament.

Without Vince McMahon, there is no Hulk Hogan

[Kugyince]

Without Philio Farnsworth there is no American Idol.

[jim5cents]

Touche...if i had a time machine...I would go back and kill Philio Farnsworth

If there was no John DeLorean, there would be no Back to the Future

[Dudebro]

Well in reality we do compare these kind of things all the time so this whole tangent is kinda pointless.

Also the whole thing about if "without X we'd have no Y" is pretty annoying. How does anyone know? If Miyamoto decided to be a plumber instead of working on games maybe someone else would've come up with something better. Maybe without the success of Miyamotos vision we'd be seeing more diversity in games or more widespread appeal? The point is we don't know.

Without religion the world would be a better place and we'd already be colonizing other planets. Am I rite?

[Kugyince]

Thanks for the news bulletin, Captain Obvious. Did the fact that Jim and I are on this whole tangent is to ridicule the whole idea of "without X, Y ceases to exist" escape you or did you just decide to unnecessarily summarize 20 posts?

@Jim: Without Henry Ford there is no John DeLorean, thus there is no Back to the future.

[jim5cents]

Without William Ford, no Henry Ford, no John DeLorean, no Back to the Future.

[Slime Slayer]

Of course it all dates back to the start of the universe, but in this case is specific, Miyamoto is indespensible, whereas Kojima is just kinda neat to have around.

[jim5cents]

Just like Back to the Future

[Slime Slayer]

If it werent for Parkinsons we'd have Back to the Future 4.

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Wait... I'm not doing it rite.

[jim5cents]

Biff Tannen has Parkinson's?

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If there was no Biff Tannen, there would be no making like a tree and getting out of here.

[Dudebro]

Thanks for the news bulletin, Captain Obvious.
You're welcome. And yeah the "am I rite" part made it kinda obvious. Ranting is my thing, remember?

[jim5cents]

If there was no Dudebro, there would be no ranting.

[Dudebro]

Now that's obviously not true, I had to learn from somewhere right?
YouTube - "I Learned It By Watching You" Anti-Drug PSA

[jim5cents]

LOL


My alltime favorite PSA

"I'm not a chicken, you're a turkey!" anti drug psa (http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=11971)

[Dudebro]

This one is pretty epic too. Honestly I never knew it existed until I looked up that other epic one.
YouTube - Don't do crack

[Slime Slayer]

We had the craziest ones in Canada, I actually think this turned me off of drugs:
YouTube - Canadian PSA About Drugs

[jim5cents]

HAHA! Today's secret word is "Crack"

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@SC, strange, that one actually makes me want to get high, then watch that video again

[Slime Slayer]

Here's another crazy one, these would air during regular tv times for all to see:
YouTube - prevent-it.ca

[jim5cents]

Uhhhh...accidents happen.

I really want to know the name and address of the dude that wrote that so I can send him a letter and ask him what he was thinking and/or what the point of that psa was.

[Demon-Mask]

Regardless of whether Y wouldn't exist without X, I still might prefer Y.
In this case, Y is Kojima, X is Miyamoto, and I prefer Kojima.

Favorite Kojima game btw is not a Metal Gear game, it is Snatcher
Yeah, Snatcher is a good game.